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 Nevelon wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
OK, found the sprue pics over at War of Sigmar

Captain + Necron guy joined
Lt + Necron guy joined

Now it looks like they could spin these up and clip and sell separate. If they need to do more of one side recycle the other half? But the fact that they are joined strikes me as these might be restricted to this box, part of a generic SM/Necron started, and not for general release. That’s just me guessing.

The characters are just joined by a bridge, not actually on the same sprue. The heroes from Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower were joined the same way when that box released, but they were eventually released individually. I would expect to see the same thing here.

Nice to hear that GW can and does do that. Seeing the separate characters on their own sprues, but the frames linked together seemed an odd choice. Probably makes it easier to pack the box.

The frames being connected mean they come out of the same mold.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
OK, found the sprue pics over at War of Sigmar

Captain + Necron guy joined
Lt + Necron guy joined

Now it looks like they could spin these up and clip and sell separate. If they need to do more of one side recycle the other half? But the fact that they are joined strikes me as these might be restricted to this box, part of a generic SM/Necron started, and not for general release. That’s just me guessing.

The characters are just joined by a bridge, not actually on the same sprue. The heroes from Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower were joined the same way when that box released, but they were eventually released individually. I would expect to see the same thing here.

Nice to hear that GW can and does do that. Seeing the separate characters on their own sprues, but the frames linked together seemed an odd choice. Probably makes it easier to pack the box.

The frames being connected mean they come out of the same mold.

I know that.

What it means is that every time they put that mold in the machine they are getting one marine and one necron out of it. Now if GW is selling both of these at the same rate, that’s not a big deal. Great for mixed box sets like this.

But when it comes time to separate these and sell individually, what happens when the marine sells 3 times faster than the necron? They end up with a lot of unwanted sprues taking up space. If they can just chuck them into the chipper and recycle them, not a big deal. But it’s extra effort to do. And does it affect the quality of the plastic to mold and melt it back a lot?

Hence my concern that they were linked. It doesn’t mean they can be sold separately, just that there are complications. The fact that GW does it for other model lines speaks highly of the chance we can see them alone.

Sick minis. Especially the new Marines. Class from GW.

 Nevelon wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
OK, found the sprue pics over at War of Sigmar

Captain + Necron guy joined
Lt + Necron guy joined

Now it looks like they could spin these up and clip and sell separate. If they need to do more of one side recycle the other half? But the fact that they are joined strikes me as these might be restricted to this box, part of a generic SM/Necron started, and not for general release. That’s just me guessing.

The characters are just joined by a bridge, not actually on the same sprue. The heroes from Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower were joined the same way when that box released, but they were eventually released individually. I would expect to see the same thing here.

Nice to hear that GW can and does do that. Seeing the separate characters on their own sprues, but the frames linked together seemed an odd choice. Probably makes it easier to pack the box.

The frames being connected mean they come out of the same mold.

I know that.

What it means is that every time they put that mold in the machine they are getting one marine and one necron out of it. Now if GW is selling both of these at the same rate, that’s not a big deal. Great for mixed box sets like this.

But when it comes time to separate these and sell individually, what happens when the marine sells 3 times faster than the necron? They end up with a lot of unwanted sprues taking up space. If they can just chuck them into the chipper and recycle them, not a big deal. But it’s extra effort to do. And does it affect the quality of the plastic to mold and melt it back a lot?

Hence my concern that they were linked. It doesn’t mean they can be sold separately, just that there are complications. The fact that GW does it for other model lines speaks highly of the chance we can see them alone.

It could be a split mold where each sits opposite of each other in the machine and they could replace the other half with something else and cast something else together with the Space Marine.

I can't imagine they'd shoot themselves in the foot if they plan on selling the characters separately later.

I doubt it works like that. If you try to melt this I imagine it just burns. I don't believe this plastic can be melted and re-used for the same purpose. Most plastic can't, it's barely recyclable at all, despite what the plastic industry and the government want us to believe.

GW plastic can indeed be shredded and used again.

JWBS wrote:
I doubt it works like that. If you try to melt this I imagine it just burns. I don't believe this plastic can be melted and re-used for the same purpose. Most plastic can't, it's barely recyclable at all, despite what the plastic industry and the government want us to believe.

What are you talking about? The molds are made of steel and depending how they're designed could be more modular than we know, which would allow them to change what they're casting.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

JWBS wrote:
I doubt it works like that. If you try to melt this I imagine it just burns. I don't believe this plastic can be melted and re-used for the same purpose. Most plastic can't, it's barely recyclable at all, despite what the plastic industry and the government want us to believe.

What are you talking about? The molds are made of steel and depending how they're designed could be more modular than we know, which would allow them to change what they're casting.

I wasn't replying to you and I'm unsure how you could think that what I wrote there was in response to what you wrote.

JWBS wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

JWBS wrote:
I doubt it works like that. If you try to melt this I imagine it just burns. I don't believe this plastic can be melted and re-used for the same purpose. Most plastic can't, it's barely recyclable at all, despite what the plastic industry and the government want us to believe.

What are you talking about? The molds are made of steel and depending how they're designed could be more modular than we know, which would allow them to change what they're casting.

I wasn't replying to you and I'm unsure how you could think that what I wrote there was in response to what you wrote.

Because it came immediately after my post and didn't quote anyone.

Removed - Rule #1 please

I don't know nearly enough about injection molding to speculate on how it works, but I know that the Silver Tower heroes were connected the same way on initial release and then later sold separately, so I know that GW has a way to separate sprues that a bridges like this.

JWBS wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

JWBS wrote:
I doubt it works like that. If you try to melt this I imagine it just burns. I don't believe this plastic can be melted and re-used for the same purpose. Most plastic can't, it's barely recyclable at all, despite what the plastic industry and the government want us to believe.

What are you talking about? The molds are made of steel and depending how they're designed could be more modular than we know, which would allow them to change what they're casting.

I wasn't replying to you and I'm unsure how you could think that what I wrote there was in response to what you wrote.

Because it came immediately after my post and didn't quote anyone.

And was total non sequitur to what you wrote. So which is more germane - that was written directly after your last post, or that it had nothing to to with your last post? I'm possibly going to surprise you here - not everything that comes directly after what you write and isn't quoting anyone is a reply to you. Use your brain please.

Too early and not enough caffiene thanks.

 EnTyme wrote:
I don't know nearly enough about injection molding to speculate on how it works, but I know that the Silver Tower heroes were connected the same way on initial release and then later sold separately, so I know that GW has a way to separate sprues that a bridges like this.

Like that game this might be a way to speed up production. Instead of four small spruces make two medium sized ones. Although why mixed Marine/Necron and not Marine/Marine I don’t know.

Smaug wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I don't know nearly enough about injection molding to speculate on how it works, but I know that the Silver Tower heroes were connected the same way on initial release and then later sold separately, so I know that GW has a way to separate sprues that a bridges like this.

Like that game this might be a way to speed up production. Instead of four small spruces make two medium sized ones. Although why mixed Marine/Necron and not Marine/Marine I don’t know.

It might be related to how they intend on packing things later on, if they choose to do a series of smaller intro boxes with the pushfit sprues. Could be there's a level of box that includes the Captain and Overlord while another level might include the Royal Warden and Lieutenant. The Plasmancer, Destroyer Lord, Chaplain, Judiciar, and Bladeguard Ancient are all on full sprues with other units included. Plasmancer and Skorpekh-Destroyer Lord has the murder-buckets and the Reanimator while the Chaplain, Judiciar and the Ancient are on the sprue with the Eradicators and Bladeguard Veterans.

Damn. I really only like the Chaplain.

The (previous) Skeletor in a Trench Coat was too over the top even for me.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Damn. I really only like the Chaplain.

The (previous) Skeletor in a Trench Coat was too over the top even for me.

Skeletor in a trench coat hahaha

If i didn't want more than the angry face chaplain I'd agree... but I also want basically all the marines. At this point, I have so many unused models from boxed sets that I'm a bit frustrated. Wish they'd do models like this separately instead of both armies together.

I seemed to have missed it with all of the Super Mario memes, but did we get a list or picture of what was in the new starter box?

mightymconeshot wrote:
I seemed to have missed it with all of the Super Mario memes, but did we get a list or picture of what was in the new starter box?

Here you go: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/13/warhammer-40000-preview-whats-in-the-boxgw-homepage-post-1/

EDIT: Keep in mind this is a "Launch" box and not a start box, so it will be a limited edition set.

Does this mean there will be a different starter box?

Bschwi1 wrote:
Does this mean there will be a different starter box?

No. It just means if they do different 'starter boxes' with different content (like Tooth & Claw, Shadowspear and etc), they'll call them something else.

Its basically a semantic game for GW people, except we don't know what the exact definitions are or why they think it matters. Just that there won't be dice or whippy sticks with range markings.

Voss wrote:

Bschwi1 wrote:
Does this mean there will be a different starter box?

No. It just means if they do different 'starter boxes' with different content (like Tooth & Claw, Shadowspear and etc), they'll call them something else.

Its basically a semantic game for GW people, except we don't know what the exact definitions are or why they think it matters. Just that there won't be dice or whippy sticks with range markings.

Tooth & Claw, Shadowspear and the like are "campaign" boxes. They are a limited run set that fits a narrative theme. They also don't tend to include the usual starter extras.

Starters are not limited run boxes but also fit a narrative theme, plus they have dice and some form of measuring aid.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Voss wrote:

Bschwi1 wrote:
Does this mean there will be a different starter box?

No. It just means if they do different 'starter boxes' with different content (like Tooth & Claw, Shadowspear and etc), they'll call them something else.

Its basically a semantic game for GW people, except we don't know what the exact definitions are or why they think it matters. Just that there won't be dice or whippy sticks with range markings.

Tooth & Claw, Shadowspear and the like are "campaign" boxes. They are a limited run set that fits a narrative theme. They also don't tend to include the usual starter extras.

Starters are not limited run boxes but also fit a narrative theme, plus they have dice and some form of measuring aid.

Shadowspear was a lot different than Tooth & Claw, Death Masque, and Forgebane, and whatever that SW vs Ork set was. The latter sets tend to be around to provide a cheap way to get some units, as well as a new HQ. Those tend to have a limited run and then sell out. After that, the HQ tend to eventually be released separately. Shadowspear was unique in the sense that it was like a starter set, since it consisted of only pushfit/monobuild models which were all uinque to that set, some mini rulebooks, etc. But it didn't replace Dark Imperium.

I may be alone here, but I honestly wouldn't mind if GW started making a bunch of pushfit starter sets (or like the new Slaves to Darkness start collecting.) It would be a cheaper way to produce more updated models for older factions, without needing to come up with new multipart plastic kits. Kind of like how Warhammer: Underworlds allows GW to update older armies with some newer monopose models.

After putting together 30 Bolter Marine scouts recently, I much prefer the mono pose Primaris type sprues. The old Chaos Space Marines were even worse. Arms separate from the bolters. For no good reason but to have a bigger piece count.

yukishiro1 wrote:
That comment was about stuff that's already out, not this release. I'm guess I'm flattered you care so much about my opinion, but I'm not sure getting so invested in what a stranger on the internet thinks about something is very healthy?

I suppose my pity is indeed wasted.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
After putting together 30 Bolter Marine scouts recently, I much prefer the mono pose Primaris type sprues. The old Chaos Space Marines were even worse. Arms separate from the bolters. For no good reason but to have a bigger piece count.

what? no good reason?
there were so many pieces so you could pose them the WAY U WANTED...

 GaroRobe wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Voss wrote:

Bschwi1 wrote:
Does this mean there will be a different starter box?

No. It just means if they do different 'starter boxes' with different content (like Tooth & Claw, Shadowspear and etc), they'll call them something else.

Its basically a semantic game for GW people, except we don't know what the exact definitions are or why they think it matters. Just that there won't be dice or whippy sticks with range markings.

Tooth & Claw, Shadowspear and the like are "campaign" boxes. They are a limited run set that fits a narrative theme. They also don't tend to include the usual starter extras.

Starters are not limited run boxes but also fit a narrative theme, plus they have dice and some form of measuring aid.

Shadowspear was a lot different than Tooth & Claw, Death Masque, and Forgebane, and whatever that SW vs Ork set was. The latter sets tend to be around to provide a cheap way to get some units, as well as a new HQ. Those tend to have a limited run and then sell out. After that, the HQ tend to eventually be released separately. Shadowspear was unique in the sense that it was like a starter set, since it consisted of only pushfit/monobuild models which were all uinque to that set, some mini rulebooks, etc. But it didn't replace Dark Imperium.

I may be alone here, but I honestly wouldn't mind if GW started making a bunch of pushfit starter sets (or like the new Slaves to Darkness start collecting.) It would be a cheaper way to produce more updated models for older factions, without needing to come up with new multipart plastic kits. Kind of like how Warhammer: Underworlds allows GW to update older armies with some newer monopose models.

Did Shadowspear have a rulebook in it?

In which case yeah a little different. I thought it was only different in it had new monopose stuff rather than existing kits.
Otherwise I would have sat it exactly in the Campaign box set (just without existing kits).

Danny76 wrote:
Did Shadowspear have a rulebook in it?

According to Warhammer Community, just the core rules.

I'm going to be the contrarian and say I think the original leaked launch date for 9th is still probably going to be true as GW still haven't addressed the BRB or the App and they have stated the App will go live at the same time as the pre-order for the new edition, I can't see them not hyping both it and the new rule book etc before the two week pre-order period starts.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Voss wrote:

Bschwi1 wrote:
Does this mean there will be a different starter box?

No. It just means if they do different 'starter boxes' with different content (like Tooth & Claw, Shadowspear and etc), they'll call them something else.

Its basically a semantic game for GW people, except we don't know what the exact definitions are or why they think it matters. Just that there won't be dice or whippy sticks with range markings.

Tooth & Claw, Shadowspear and the like are "campaign" boxes. They are a limited run set that fits a narrative theme. They also don't tend to include the usual starter extras.

Starters are not limited run boxes but also fit a narrative theme, plus they have dice and some form of measuring aid.

Right, so they're either testing out if dice and whippy sticks are worth including anymore, or they've already decided they aren't. Every box, regardless whether they're a 'starter box' or 'launch box' or 'campaign box' provides some vague narrative reason why the two forces are punching each other in the face.

This new box is more akin to a starter in that it includes the rulebook as well as mini-campaign pamphlets and unit rules. Indeed, the only difference between this 'launch box' and the last three 'starter boxes' is just the naming convention, dice, and rulers. That's it.

I’m glad that GW finally understands that all Primaris needed to be was truescale versions of existing marine units. The Chaplain, Bikes, and Assault Intercessors look great and the Bladeguard will make for nice truescale Veteran/Sternguard conversions.