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 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Darsath wrote:
I think it's more likely that Games Workshop doesn't actually know what's good or bad in their game.

Hanlon's Razor strikes again!

I don't think it's stupidity so much as it is indifference. For all people bemoan GW's horrific balance, they know they'll still buy it just to have a game to play. People complaining about bloated rules in 8th? Who cares, we're making record profits anyway. The plastic addicted masses will buy it no matter what! Bringing playtesters in? They'll do it for free (unless you count giving influencers free stuff) and most will even shill for us.

Which is why I have said before to boycott GW's printed material, simply because they overcharge and expect us to pay for patches.

Patches are free. They're called FAQs..

TIL Chapter Approved is free.

Hard to say for certain, they're more like DLC since you're paying for missions and narrative content as well.

Today's Warhammer Daily is looking at "changes to Overwatch".

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Darsath wrote:
I think it's more likely that Games Workshop doesn't actually know what's good or bad in their game.

Hanlon's Razor strikes again!

I don't think it's stupidity so much as it is indifference. For all people bemoan GW's horrific balance, they know they'll still buy it just to have a game to play. People complaining about bloated rules in 8th? Who cares, we're making record profits anyway. The plastic addicted masses will buy it no matter what! Bringing playtesters in? They'll do it for free (unless you count giving influencers free stuff) and most will even shill for us.

Which is why I have said before to boycott GW's printed material, simply because they overcharge and expect us to pay for patches.

Patches are free. They're called FAQs..

TIL Chapter Approved is free.

Chapter Approved hasn't been where they've been releasing rules fixes, just points adjustments and even that was something you could find without buying.

I get that we want to throw dirty water and GW and make all sorts of accusations, but stuff like supplements are more akin to DLC than patches. Conflating the two in order to blame for trying to make money as a company is silly.

Matrindur wrote:
"Ready, aim, prepare to find out about the changes to Overwatch in #New40K.!"

This might be one of the more important 40k Daily shows. Their approach to Overwatch will likely tell us quite a bit about where they envisage close combat sitting in the wider scheme of things. I just hope we get some decent detail.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Darsath wrote:
I think it's more likely that Games Workshop doesn't actually know what's good or bad in their game.

Hanlon's Razor strikes again!

I don't think it's stupidity so much as it is indifference. For all people bemoan GW's horrific balance, they know they'll still buy it just to have a game to play. People complaining about bloated rules in 8th? Who cares, we're making record profits anyway. The plastic addicted masses will buy it no matter what! Bringing playtesters in? They'll do it for free (unless you count giving influencers free stuff) and most will even shill for us.

Which is why I have said before to boycott GW's printed material, simply because they overcharge and expect us to pay for patches.

Patches are free. They're called FAQs..

TIL Chapter Approved is free.

Chapter Approved hasn't been where they've been releasing rules fixes, just points adjustments and even that was something you could find without buying.

I get that we want to throw dirty water and GW and make all sorts of accusations, but stuff like supplements are more akin to DLC than patches. Conflating the two in order to blame for trying to make money as a company is silly.

Point adjustments and fixing what are usually terrible missions is NOT DLC, that's a patch.

EDIT: Please do not advocate piracy on Dakka Dakka

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Darsath wrote:
I think it's more likely that Games Workshop doesn't actually know what's good or bad in their game.

Hanlon's Razor strikes again!

I don't think it's stupidity so much as it is indifference. For all people bemoan GW's horrific balance, they know they'll still buy it just to have a game to play. People complaining about bloated rules in 8th? Who cares, we're making record profits anyway. The plastic addicted masses will buy it no matter what! Bringing playtesters in? They'll do it for free (unless you count giving influencers free stuff) and most will even shill for us.

Which is why I have said before to boycott GW's printed material, simply because they overcharge and expect us to pay for patches.

Patches are free. They're called FAQs..

TIL Chapter Approved is free.

Chapter Approved hasn't been where they've been releasing rules fixes, just points adjustments and even that was something you could find without buying.

I get that we want to throw dirty water and GW and make all sorts of accusations, but stuff like supplements are more akin to DLC than patches. Conflating the two in order to blame for trying to make money as a company is silly.

Point adjustments and fixing what are usually terrible missions is NOT DLC, that's a patch.

Alternate missions are DLC. The CA missions didn't replace old missions, but were new side content. As were the character and vehicle design rules for narrafivs.

The only thing that could be argued were points changes, but honestly how many people buy CA for those since they're online with a day of the release?

All this is pointless though quibbling in the end though that ignores on basic fact: GW can't release anything in print for free. Putting it online forces people to print it, and they get complaints about that for FAQs, so it's a lose-lose they face when trying to rebalance the game.

Certain rules allow units to fire Overwatch

Congrats gents. It's no longer on everyone apparently.

It's available as a Stratagem for one unit after a Charge has been declared.

Called it! Overwatch is a strat!

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Darsath wrote:
I think it's more likely that Games Workshop doesn't actually know what's good or bad in their game.

Hanlon's Razor strikes again!

I don't think it's stupidity so much as it is indifference. For all people bemoan GW's horrific balance, they know they'll still buy it just to have a game to play. People complaining about bloated rules in 8th? Who cares, we're making record profits anyway. The plastic addicted masses will buy it no matter what! Bringing playtesters in? They'll do it for free (unless you count giving influencers free stuff) and most will even shill for us.

Which is why I have said before to boycott GW's printed material, simply because they overcharge and expect us to pay for patches.

Patches are free. They're called FAQs..

TIL Chapter Approved is free.

Chapter Approved hasn't been where they've been releasing rules fixes, just points adjustments and even that was something you could find without buying.

I get that we want to throw dirty water and GW and make all sorts of accusations, but stuff like supplements are more akin to DLC than patches. Conflating the two in order to blame for trying to make money as a company is silly.

Point adjustments and fixing what are usually terrible missions is NOT DLC, that's a patch.

Alternate missions are DLC. The CA missions didn't replace old missions, but were new side content. As were the character and vehicle design rules for narrafivs.

The only thing that could be argued were points changea, but honestly how many people buy CA for those since they're online with a day of the release?

You mean the missions that effectively replace the old ones because they're better designed compared to the first iteration that shouldn't have been released in the first place, which is effectively why ITC has been so successful as a Mission set?

That's not a patch huh?

Fall Back will be a Stratagem as well, right?

So elite assault units got okay buff. Finally some bone thrown to (marine) assault armies.

You mean the missions that don't replace the core rules and aren't universally adopted? Yeah. Not a patch.

well, I'm officially not mad about Cut Them Down.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Why shouldn't it be advocated?

It being against the forum rules would be one good reason.

With the amount of crap they release without testing or proofreading or the sloppiness it's presented in...it should be free to begin with. Patches are already not free AND we have people defending that here! You can't call that anything but being a white Knight.

If you think it is crap, you don't need to steal it either. Just don't play the game instead of continuing to play it while hating it and trying to portray your piratism as some sort of moral cause. That is just sad and dysfunctional.

the_scotsman wrote:
well, I'm officially not mad about Cut Them Down.

But at the same time, the real issue with melee is Falling Back. Neither that strat nor making Overwatch a strat changes the fact that a unit can waltz casually away from combat and have the HTH unit blasted off the table in its wake.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
well, I'm officially not mad about Cut Them Down.

But at the same time, the real issue with melee is Falling Back. Neither that strat nor making Overwatch a strat changes the fact that a unit can waltz casually away from combat and have the HTH unit blasted off the table in its wake.

Maybe at the beginning of 8th but right now theres a ton of subfactions and units that makes charging them nearly impossible unless you ignore overwatch or catch them with a consolidation or crossing ruins.

As long as tri-pointing is still a thing, falling back is a Fly only thing.

 Galas wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
well, I'm officially not mad about Cut Them Down.

But at the same time, the real issue with melee is Falling Back. Neither that strat nor making Overwatch a strat changes the fact that a unit can waltz casually away from combat and have the HTH unit blasted off the table in its wake.

Maybe at the beginning of 8th but right now theres a ton of subfactions and units that makes charging them nearly impossible unless you ignore overwatch or catch them with a consolidation or crossing ruins.

Yea... universal falling back isn't the issue for melee armies in the current edition versus the horrific, withering Overwatch certain combos/factions can cause.

I'm not even a melee-focused player and I always thought it was a bit crazy.

tneva82 wrote:
So elite assault units got okay buff. Finally some bone thrown to (marine) assault armies.

Yes...just Marine Assault Armies.

Seriously, do you hear yourself? Battleforged armies can only use a specific stratagem once per turn. Stu made that mention as they showed the Overwatch stratagem. That means unless you have things like the Ultramarines strat where UM units can add in their Overwatch or the Greater Good bits from Tau...that's one unit a turn Overwatching.

Cool tactical decisions to make when holding terrain, defending units *can* get bonuses against charging enemies it seems if they're in the right terrain and made the right tactical decision. I like it!

 Crimson wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Why shouldn't it be advocated?

It being against the forum rules would be one good reason.

With the amount of crap they release without testing or proofreading or the sloppiness it's presented in...it should be free to begin with. Patches are already not free AND we have people defending that here! You can't call that anything but being a white Knight.

If you think it is crap, you don't need to steal it either. Just don't play the game instead of continuing to play it while hating it and trying to portray your piratism as some sort of moral cause. That is just sad and dysfunctional.

Your attitude of "take it as it is and fix the rules for them" is why we get lazy releases and lazy editing.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Called it! Overwatch is a strat!

So good call dude !
I did not seen this coming. Overwatch will be all but disappeared in 9th edition.
For a 1 CP decision, you would be better having serious firepower to trigger the overwatch stratagem (auto-hit or hit on OW on 5+ at least).

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Called it! Overwatch is a strat!

So good call dude !
I did not seen this coming. Overwatch will be all but disappeared in 9th edition.
For a 1 CP decision, you would be better having serious firepower to trigger the overwatch stratagem (auto-hit or hit on OW on 5+ at least).

The positioning of that unit of flamers suddenly became so much more important, since they're probably going to be the ones you want Overwatching lol

According to the feed there are other ways to Overwatch, not just the Strategem. some units will have it for a special rule and the day one FAQ/errata will amend existing rules and strategems that interact with overwatch so that they still work.

Yes because Overwatch was the problem, not falling back for free and fly units doing that AND being able to shoot.

They have to fix the rules for several sub factions now because all they are is a bonus to Overwatch.

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Cool tactical decisions to make when holding terrain, defending units *can* get bonuses against charging enemies it seems if they're in the right terrain and made the right tactical decision. I like it!

Some reason to take fortifications that generally sucked and quite possibly costs cp to get det so were about to take a nerfbat

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Why shouldn't it be advocated?

It being against the forum rules would be one good reason.

With the amount of crap they release without testing or proofreading or the sloppiness it's presented in...it should be free to begin with. Patches are already not free AND we have people defending that here! You can't call that anything but being a white Knight.

If you think it is crap, you don't need to steal it either. Just don't play the game instead of continuing to play it while hating it and trying to portray your piratism as some sort of moral cause. That is just sad and dysfunctional.

Your attitude of "take it as it is and fix the rules for them" is why we get lazy releases and lazy editing.

If you want to poison the well maybe start a thread in 40kGen. There is more on topic news to talk about right now.

Like Overwatch being a strat, but some units will have access to rules that let them Overwatch for free, and like the Cool Headed buff you can give a veteran unit in the Crusader system.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Why shouldn't it be advocated?

It being against the forum rules would be one good reason.

With the amount of crap they release without testing or proofreading or the sloppiness it's presented in...it should be free to begin with. Patches are already not free AND we have people defending that here! You can't call that anything but being a white Knight.

If you think it is crap, you don't need to steal it either. Just don't play the game instead of continuing to play it while hating it and trying to portray your piratism as some sort of moral cause. That is just sad and dysfunctional.

Your attitude of "take it as it is and fix the rules for them" is why we get lazy releases and lazy editing.

Please, just stop playing this game. If you're so angry with the releases and rules, just stop. It's not healthy for you or this forum to have people promoting piracy because they deem the game lazy and worthless.

Aash wrote:
According to the feed there are other ways to Overwatch, not just the Strategem. some units will have it for a special rule and the day one FAQ/errata will amend existing rules and strategems that interact with overwatch so that they still work.

Yeah. Expect tau for example get hefty amount of ways.

Plus the oddball units like aggressors still has that 1cp with more cp to pay.

Not huge help overall though elite assault units like it

I'm actually liking all of this. 9th is going to play a lot different to 8th.