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punisher357 wrote: Does anyone else like the Necron terrain better without the rock/black stone/material covering all the mechanical techmo-metal-necron parts? I'm a bigger fan without the stone faces.
Warning Opinion ahead:
Spoiler:
To be honest, I'm getting really tired of Space Marines getting exceptions to everything. I don't have a problem making them powerful and tough, but it bugs me that they get exemptions from things that don't have exemptions (i.e. Mortal Wounds). "Hey everyone, new wound type that you get no saves against. Well, unless you're space marines, then you do."
I get that they're the protagonists of the saga, so I'd be fine with them getting an edge. The problem is when they make the edge such a slap in the face to everyone else. It causes everything to escalate and ramp up and then the scale of the game, in multiple areas, gets out of whack. Before anyone says, "Yeah, GW has always done that", I know. They've always done a lot of things.
Just stating my perspective. *Rant Over*
Plenty factions have access to special abilities that offer saves against Mortal Wounds. Are you new to 40K ? Have you skipped the whole 8th edition ?
Only Marines can drop on Turn 1.
Only Marines can reroll all hits, not just 1's.
Only Marines can block deepstrike units from being able to drop within charge range.
There are plenty of cases where Marines straight up ignore the game just because they can.
Just to contradict you, but Tyranids too reroll all hits and not only misses
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punisher357 wrote: Does anyone else like the Necron terrain better without the rock/black stone/material covering all the mechanical techmo-metal-necron parts? I'm a bigger fan without the stone faces.
Warning Opinion ahead:
Spoiler:
To be honest, I'm getting really tired of Space Marines getting exceptions to everything. I don't have a problem making them powerful and tough, but it bugs me that they get exemptions from things that don't have exemptions (i.e. Mortal Wounds). "Hey everyone, new wound type that you get no saves against. Well, unless you're space marines, then you do."
I get that they're the protagonists of the saga, so I'd be fine with them getting an edge. The problem is when they make the edge such a slap in the face to everyone else. It causes everything to escalate and ramp up and then the scale of the game, in multiple areas, gets out of whack. Before anyone says, "Yeah, GW has always done that", I know. They've always done a lot of things.
Just stating my perspective. *Rant Over*
Plenty factions have access to special abilities that offer saves against Mortal Wounds. Are you new to 40K ? Have you skipped the whole 8th edition ?
Only Marines can drop on Turn 1.
Only Marines can reroll all hits, not just 1's.
Only Marines can block deepstrike units from being able to drop within charge range.
There are plenty of cases where Marines straight up ignore the game just because they can.
Also most of those other factions don't have wargear that juts flat up gives you a save against any MW.
Ghaz wrote: Now for something really important. My local game store just posted this on Facebook:
If you don't know yet you will very soon. The Indomitus Box which we all have been guessing would be betweet $220 and $300. Is going to be released for ONLY $199.
Predictions went as high as $350. Heck, I was looking at setting aside $400USD just to make sure I had the money for one.
$200 a ~$60 rulebook and a pile of models isn't bad for GW.
punisher357 wrote: Does anyone else like the Necron terrain better without the rock/black stone/material covering all the mechanical techmo-metal-necron parts? I'm a bigger fan without the stone faces.
Warning Opinion ahead:
Spoiler:
To be honest, I'm getting really tired of Space Marines getting exceptions to everything. I don't have a problem making them powerful and tough, but it bugs me that they get exemptions from things that don't have exemptions (i.e. Mortal Wounds). "Hey everyone, new wound type that you get no saves against. Well, unless you're space marines, then you do."
I get that they're the protagonists of the saga, so I'd be fine with them getting an edge. The problem is when they make the edge such a slap in the face to everyone else. It causes everything to escalate and ramp up and then the scale of the game, in multiple areas, gets out of whack. Before anyone says, "Yeah, GW has always done that", I know. They've always done a lot of things.
Just stating my perspective. *Rant Over*
Plenty factions have access to special abilities that offer saves against Mortal Wounds. Are you new to 40K ? Have you skipped the whole 8th edition ?
Only Marines can drop on Turn 1.
Only Marines can reroll all hits, not just 1's.
Only Marines can block deepstrike units from being able to drop within charge range.
There are plenty of cases where Marines straight up ignore the game just because they can.
Just to contradict you, but Tyranids too reroll all hits and not only misses
Voss wrote: Currently they don't have the same rules.
Pretty sure BCB is aware of that, but it's not unreasonable to assume that Storm Shields overall will change to what we've seen in these previews.
Plus he was more explaining the mechanic of how 1+ works in this system.
I get the latter, but precedent in 40K is that stormshields actually do have different rules in the same edition, and we also know that 9th is using existing datasheets until new codexes happen.
And part of his explanation included AoS, where shields are a huge tangle of different piles of rules.
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Crusade is in the core rules. As is open war. The only thing that might not be is the tournament rules, but those are likely matched play rules as well.
Honestly, the endless back and forth topics on here drive me insane sometimes...reading through the paint for 10pts whinefest for pages, and now the stormshield gak...
BUT...... I will give BCB this, if enough "noise" is made about this now, it is possible that someone from the dubs might see it and make a quick change to the day 1 FAQ to address it. One can only hope, because it can be tiresome to read through at times.
The open war is the cards. Not sure what the crusade pack is, it's probably stupid themed cards and that silly "crusade log" they previewed and that sort of thing.
The only rulebooks on that list are the rulebook and the 2020 tournaments book (which includes the points updates).
So yeah, you're looking at $105 for the new 9th rules in their entirety.
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Ghaz wrote: Now for something really important. My local game store just posted this on Facebook:
If you don't know yet you will very soon. The Indomitus Box which we all have been guessing would be betweet $220 and $300. Is going to be released for ONLY $199.
my FLGS just told me that they still got no inormation on the price
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Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
Crusade is in the core rules. As is open war. The only thing that might not be is the tournament rules, but those are likely matched play rules as well.
It'll be the "not leather" leather book for your crusade roaster
Cool. The new paints are Runelord Brass Base (current version is a Layer paint), Canoptek Alloy Layer, Cryptek Armourshade Shade and Tesseract Glow Technical.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Also I'm pretty sure the crusade thing is this thing. If it's more than that then fine, but this seems like the type of thing that wouldn't be that useful.
Voss wrote: I get the latter, but precedent in 40K is that stormshields actually do have different rules in the same edition, and we also know that 9th is using existing datasheets until new codexes happen.
And part of his explanation included AoS, where shields are a huge tangle of different piles of rules.
I think it'll be a case of gradual revision.
Marines are first cab off the rank, right, so they'll get a new set of Storm Shield rules (assume it's the ones we've seen previewed/leaked). Custodes on the other hand will keep what they have now, until their new book gets done.
Of course, they may just errata the whole lot in the big Day 1 FAQ, so who knows?
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General Kroll wrote: How much does $199 translate to in pounds with GW normally?
I flicked through the UK and US sites. Best I could find was the now unavailable Skaven Corrupting war swarm box set. That was $200 and £120. I'm crossing my fingers that's the price point.
I'm open to correction if anyone has better info.
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Also I'm pretty sure the crusade thing is this thing. If it's more than that then fine, but this seems like the type of thing that wouldn't be that useful.
Voss wrote: I get the latter, but precedent in 40K is that stormshields actually do have different rules in the same edition, and we also know that 9th is using existing datasheets until new codexes happen.
And part of his explanation included AoS, where shields are a huge tangle of different piles of rules.
I think it'll be a case of gradual revision.
Marines are first cab off the rank, right, so they'll get a new set of Storm Shield rules (assume it's the ones we've seen previewed/leaked). Custodes on the other hand will keep what they have now, until their new book gets done.
Of course, they may just errata the whole lot in the big Day 1 FAQ, so who knows?
And Spacemarines Turn 9th into the new 7th edition with instead of invisibility we have 2++, invulnerable save spam, DA players your time has come to be the new Ironhands.
Also I'm pretty sure the crusade thing is this thing. If it's more than that then fine, but this seems like the type of thing that wouldn't be that useful.
Voss wrote: I get the latter, but precedent in 40K is that stormshields actually do have different rules in the same edition, and we also know that 9th is using existing datasheets until new codexes happen.
And part of his explanation included AoS, where shields are a huge tangle of different piles of rules.
I think it'll be a case of gradual revision.
Marines are first cab off the rank, right, so they'll get a new set of Storm Shield rules (assume it's the ones we've seen previewed/leaked). Custodes on the other hand will keep what they have now, until their new book gets done.
Of course, they may just errata the whole lot in the big Day 1 FAQ, so who knows?
And Spacemarines Turn 9th into the new 7th edition with instead of invisibility we have 2++, invulnerable save spam, DA players your time has come to be the new Ironhands.
The shield modifies your save characteristic, not your invul save. So they'd have a 1+ in Terminator armour.
Also I'm pretty sure the crusade thing is this thing. If it's more than that then fine, but this seems like the type of thing that wouldn't be that useful.
Voss wrote: I get the latter, but precedent in 40K is that stormshields actually do have different rules in the same edition, and we also know that 9th is using existing datasheets until new codexes happen.
And part of his explanation included AoS, where shields are a huge tangle of different piles of rules.
I think it'll be a case of gradual revision.
Marines are first cab off the rank, right, so they'll get a new set of Storm Shield rules (assume it's the ones we've seen previewed/leaked). Custodes on the other hand will keep what they have now, until their new book gets done.
Of course, they may just errata the whole lot in the big Day 1 FAQ, so who knows?
And Spacemarines Turn 9th into the new 7th edition with instead of invisibility we have 2++, invulnerable save spam, DA players your time has come to be the new Ironhands.
The shield modifies your save characteristic, not your invul save. So they'd have a 1+ in Terminator armour.
And as you can never modify a due to less than 1 they pass on anything but a natural 1.
Aaranis wrote: How does it work when a monster or vehicle -let's say a Sydonian Dragoon for example, wants to charge unit in a ruin 5" from the ground ? I roll charge, end below it at 5" vertically, and then how does it fight ? It can fight as it is within Engagement Range, but if the Dragoon beside it wants to strike too it can't, as my first Dragoon can't be within 1/2" of the target, correct ? Or do we measure from the model itself, even though it has a base ?
I'm confused about this rule.
Yes being within a half inch of a half inch doesn't work vertically.
It intentionally favours taking small or solo units (like most of 9th) that can get all their models within engagement range of 1" H 5" V. Its better than 8th as at least one model gets to swing!
Its actually quite interesting, imagine a four walled ruined building (lots of doors in it) with a roof 4" up. Two scenarios:
Scenario 1: You have a squad of 20 Ork boys on the ground floor of the building. The enemy can't move anything on to the roof because they would end their move in engagement range.
Scenario 2: You have a squad of 20 Ork boys on the roof. The enemy can fight you with their own 20 Ork boys if they are on the ground floor.
It is also interesting from a charge perspective, as you don't have to measure the vertical difference just measure the horizontal and make sure you are within 5" on the vertical. e.g. If someone was standing at the edge of a container that was 3" high and was 7.1" away from that edge, I would only need to roll a 7 for my charge to land. Pretty sure I'd have needed a 10 or 11 (given I need room on the top of the container) in 8th.
I think you could have some very fun vertical terrain based fights now.
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