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 Dulahan wrote:
I'm definitely in the boat of people hoping for someone with the CA rules to leak it. They're out there! Just no sign yet.

I can't recall which podcast talked briefly abouy it but if I got the gist of it, because the BRB leaked no one is getting a review copy of CA.

Could be wrong, in which case we'll see it in two days when thr embargo ends.

The limited edition core rule book is over triple the cost of the normal book... for a front cover.... hahahaha. Ah GW you guys are funny.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
The limited edition core rule book is over triple the cost of the normal book... for a front cover.... hahahaha. Ah GW you guys are funny.

A fabric cover. Makes it extra easy to dirty.

I was a bit surprised that there wasn't a box like they did for 6th with tokens, a mini rulebook and some other stuff (like a purity seal magnet). 9th's LE is the plainest I think I've ever seen.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
The limited edition core rule book is over triple the cost of the normal book... for a front cover.... hahahaha. Ah GW you guys are funny.

I don't believe we have confirmation that the only difference is the slipcover and alternate artwork on the book's cover. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if it comes with the pre-order bonuses at the very least.

Hmmm... I wonder if the marketing of this app will be good enough people forget the failures of previour GW application that remained without support very very fast (magic 40k application for example).
I bet you will have to buy every codex physically in order to look at any of those codexes rules or try any list building on top of paying a subscription. I hope i am wrong but....

 Sasori wrote:
GW doesn't actually need to win or even be in the right to succeed. The threat of a C&D and a lawsuit is often enough from larger companies to get what they want.

Even if they are 100% right, companies still have to fight it in court. This is (Sadly) a pretty common tactic.

The last time GW tried that it backfired pretty spectacularly. There is no way they'll want to head down that route again.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
GW doesn't actually need to win or even be in the right to succeed. The threat of a C&D and a lawsuit is often enough from larger companies to get what they want.

Even if they are 100% right, companies still have to fight it in court. This is (Sadly) a pretty common tactic.

The last time GW tried that it backfired pretty spectacularly. There is no way they'll want to head down that route again.

You say that as if they are capable of learning from their mistakes.

 TalonZahn wrote:
That's ok, I've had 3 FLGS and 2 other stores on The InterWebs inform myself and other customers, that GW is cutting their amounts of pre-orders that will ship because they oversold.

Can't wait for the sweet rage from the Community when Pre-Orders get cancelled and it sells out to scalpers on the GW site day 1.

The way I understand it independent stockists were told they could order 45 boxes.
They then tried to order more then 45.
To everyone's surprise GW then said "lol nope, your only getting 45".
But as this is the internet I could be wrong but this doesn't sound like GW's fault.

Doohicky wrote:
Oh wait, I just looked at the picture in the article and it has the point cost of the primaris lieutenant in it.

Yeah, and I noticed something strange in it.
It says that you can get a second primaris lieutenant for +4 power rating.
Beside the weird mix of points and power level, isn't it weird to buy two lieutenants for one slot? And unless there is a rule beside, it seems they are a unit together???
Maybe this is something you could already do but it seems weird.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
GW doesn't actually need to win or even be in the right to succeed. The threat of a C&D and a lawsuit is often enough from larger companies to get what they want.

Even if they are 100% right, companies still have to fight it in court. This is (Sadly) a pretty common tactic.

The last time GW tried that it backfired pretty spectacularly. There is no way they'll want to head down that route again.

If you are referring to Chapterhouse, neither side came out very well in the end. However, the only reason Chapterhouse even made it that far was because they had pro-bono representation from one of the most prestigious lawfirms in the country. Chapterhouse still ended up shutting down in the end. Would battlescribe be willing to take that risk?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Doohicky wrote:
Oh wait, I just looked at the picture in the article and it has the point cost of the primaris lieutenant in it.

Yeah, and I noticed something strange in it.
It says that you can get a second primaris lieutenant for +4 power rating.
Beside the weird mix of points and power level, isn't it weird to buy two lieutenants for one slot? And unless there is a rule beside, it seems they are a unit together???
Maybe this is something you could already do but it seems weird.

I don't play loyalists, but ca 2019 lists all of the various lieutenants as 1-2 models per unit.

And they're all either cheaper or the same price as an Exalted Champion, except with a jump pack, which is 3 ppm more.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Yeah, they gotta find some way to get normal people who don't go to tournaments to to buy the $40 tournament book.

We probably should have known better than to trust the PR spin that they were going to give people the points on July 11, two weeks before the release of the book with the points in it. It feels much more like GW to wait a month or two after release to implement the army builder feature on the app...after the really desperate have shelled out for the book.

It looks like points could be in the datasheets and with access to all the books I imagine that would cover it with a subscription. We'll have to wait and see though.


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DiscoKing wrote:
The new Chapter Approved Grand Tournament 2020 is really nice. Lovely new size, ring bound so lies perfectly flat and a handy elastic page mark. Loads of missions and all the rules summaries in the back. Realy much better than any previous version and will be super popular I reckon. The Field Manual is a normal book albeit in the new smaller size.

How much do I need to pay you to ninja some pages with your cellphone?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Dulahan wrote:
I'm definitely in the boat of people hoping for someone with the CA rules to leak it. They're out there! Just no sign yet.

I can't recall which podcast talked briefly abouy it but if I got the gist of it, because the BRB leaked no one is getting a review copy of CA.

Could be wrong, in which case we'll see it in two days when thr embargo ends.

If true, that would be a huge bummer, especially with GW dropping the ball so hard on the app

 Tiberius501 wrote:
The limited edition core rule book is over triple the cost of the normal book... for a front cover.... hahahaha. Ah GW you guys are funny.

1 of 2000. For people who like that sort of thing.


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 BaconCatBug wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
GW doesn't actually need to win or even be in the right to succeed. The threat of a C&D and a lawsuit is often enough from larger companies to get what they want.

Even if they are 100% right, companies still have to fight it in court. This is (Sadly) a pretty common tactic.

The last time GW tried that it backfired pretty spectacularly. There is no way they'll want to head down that route again.

You say that as if they are capable of learning from their mistakes.

*ahem* assault weapons rule.

DiscoKing wrote:
The new Chapter Approved Grand Tournament 2020 is really nice. Lovely new size, ring bound so lies perfectly flat and a handy elastic page mark. Loads of missions and all the rules summaries in the back. Realy much better than any previous version and will be super popular I reckon. The Field Manual is a normal book albeit in the new smaller size.

Edit: Oh, nevermind, I get it. It's two separate books, but sold together.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well looky what I found...

The reverse side of the Battlezone tiles looks like some of the Kill Team tiles, but I can't tell if it is identical. If it's not, it's a great way to expand those tiles, but if it is, it's a lot less useful to me. Can anyone pull a Spot the Difference?

 Sasori wrote:

If you are referring to Chapterhouse, neither side came out very well in the end. However, the only reason Chapterhouse even made it that far was because they had pro-bono representation from one of the most prestigious lawfirms in the country. Chapterhouse still ended up shutting down in the end. Would battlescribe be willing to take that risk?

Opposed to what just roll over and die?

Da Butcha wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well looky what I found...

The reverse side of the Battlezone tiles looks like some of the Kill Team tiles, but I can't tell if it is identical. If it's not, it's a great way to expand those tiles, but if it is, it's a lot less useful to me. Can anyone pull a Spot the Difference?

Well, I know that those supports for the container are new, the container itself is reused from the mechanicum building if I recall. Curious to see if that's everything in the box of what though.

That's not a reused container. Every bit of terrain in that picture is new.

Is 'Battlefield' part of the box title or the product line?

I'm curious if its just the L-pipe and cement mixer or if the board and maybe other stuff are in the box.
The big exposure blur is throwing me.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Yeah, they gotta find some way to get normal people who don't go to tournaments to to buy the $40 tournament book.

We probably should have known better than to trust the PR spin that they were going to give people the points on July 11, two weeks before the release of the book with the points in it. It feels much more like GW to wait a month or two after release to implement the army builder feature on the app...after the really desperate have shelled out for the book.

It looks like points could be in the datasheets and with access to all the books I imagine that would cover it with a subscription. We'll have to wait and see though.

I hadn't considered that. If the subscription auto-updates codexes then points should be included in the existing codexes. Unfortunately the article said that the app will be launching in the coming weeks, not the 11th as originally announced. So still more waiting for points.

Argh. They could at least tease the new fw books.

Voss wrote:
Is 'Battlefield' part of the box title or the product line?

I think we'll see a few "[Something 40K-ish] Battlefield" boxes.

Voss wrote:
I'm curious if its just the L-pipe and cement mixer or if the board and maybe other stuff are in the box.

This box is just the new standard recommended minimum size boards. No terrain in there sadly.

Well.......

Prices are pretty much what I expected. The Boxed Set is actually a pretty good value as it's cheaper than two start collectings and the rule book combined with a lot more content. 65 Dollars for a book isn't great, but it could be worse. Most hardback RPG books of equivalent size are between 50-60.

As far as the app goes, I'm actually pretty excited for it. Assuming as it is functional and what not, it seems like a good concept in that I wouldn't have to tug around 9 books to go around with my giant bags of models to a game. I'm also kind of excited for the 8th books to be free until they get updated, as I'm getting back into the game and neither of the armies I plan on playing (Chaos and Guard) will likely be updated soon. Because of that it will save me buying codexes that will likely become obsolete relatively soon.

The price for subscription is actually a lot more reasonable than I expected too. I was expecting closer to 12 pounds or so a month.

People freaking out about Battlescribe are barking up the wrong tree. Battlescribe doesn't make the datafiles for the games within. It's just a shell that loads independently sourced datafiles for people to use to make their lists. Just like the Lone Wolf Army Builder we had for years during Kirby's days of C&Ding everything and everyone.

Plus Battlescribe has AoS datafiles despite their being and AoS armt builder and GW hasn't said anything about that.

Is it possible that the reason for the delay is that they are updating the existing codexes? Not just points but making plasma explode on natural 1s etcetera?

I think GW is smart enough these days to know that the easier they make it for people to use the models they buy from them at a huge markup, the better. Going after BS doesn't help them sell models, and that's their core business.

Honestly, they'd probably make more money if they just released the rules - 100% of them - online for free, with the books just for people who want a hard copy. One of the biggest barriers to getting people involved in the game is "ok, you're interested in 40k? Pony up $100 for the rules before you can even play any games."


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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Is it possible that the reason for the delay is that they are updating the existing codexes? Not just points but making plasma explode on natural 1s etcetera?

No. If that was the case, they would say so, to smooth things over. There is zero reason for them to abandon their release schedule with no explanation if there is a good explanation.

Kind of reminds me of blood claws.

yukishiro1 wrote:
I think GW is smart enough these days to know that the easier they make it for people to use the models they buy from them at a huge markup, the better. Going after BS doesn't help them sell models, and that's their core business.

Honestly, they'd probably make more money if they just released the rules - 100% of them - online for free, with the books just for people who want a hard copy. One of the biggest barriers to getting people involved in the game is "ok, you're interested in 40k? Pony up $100 for the rules before you can even play any games."


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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Is it possible that the reason for the delay is that they are updating the existing codexes? Not just points but making plasma explode on natural 1s etcetera?

No. If that was the case, they would say so, to smooth things over. There is zero reason for them to abandon their release schedule with no explanation if there is a good explanation.

It's also possibly not worth all the good will they've gained back to go after BattleScribe, but I'm not one of their businesses analysts.

Speaking of, I'm pretty confident they've done market research and analysis on the benefit of making the rules free.

With the Core rules being free and available in the app, I wouldn't be surprised if you can buy the codexs for cheaper in the app, like AoS. That would reduce the cost of entry, and entice some people to start using the app subscription.

Thinking of GW's legal team, the only thing I've heard them doing since Chapterhouse was sending Arch Warhammer a.CJD about his use of "Warhammer" as it is damaging GW's trademark to be associated with him.

I think GW is finally starting to get that the best way to stop people going outside its own ecosystem is just to, well, make it easy to stay inside. Giving the rules away free online is the logical next step on this, as the ridiculous prices charged for the rules are by far the number one reason people go to outside sources to get their material.

The app is probably the first step in this direction. Yes, they still want to sell people new $40 books if they can, but what they really want people to do is get used to the idea of paying $60 a year for the rules, and that this is a "deal," when really they ought to just be releasing rules updates for free.