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BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
HA, even if all R&H units remained the army would still massively under perform against anything.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
Well, the resources they were using making r&h (0) can now be used on all those 1 primaris kits FW makes.
jivardi wrote: Not knowing the exact setup of the facility, where it's located in the world (not in Great Britain I assume) makes it impossible dictate the impact COVID has had. If there are cogs missing from the machine, the machine is going to run slower and less efficiently.
They do all miniature production in their headquarters at Nottingham UK. As I said, I think that they outsource things like the boxes, books, and probably other things. However, actual sprue moulding is in the UK.
Yeah, and if gak went south even Monday that would impact the preorders today.
Sad thing is GW could put out a statement explaining that something went wrong in the production process and 90% of dakka would call them liars.
Sometimes I think some people don't realize what goes into producing products whose parts are outsourced around the world. It always hurt when I built computers for the business to then sell to customers who weren't knowledgeable about individual components and wanted a prebuilt so they didn't have to think too hard about what is in it and then I get informed by my wholesaler that one of the manufacturers had issues with shipping the part and quantity that was ordered. Can't build a "complete system" with missing components, which hurt my bottom line because once I sold out of the ones I had already built I had to rely on made-to-order PC's and most of my stores profit was on the "complete" systems, not MTO.
Covid could explain why it takes longer to produce set number but not why gw settled for same number. You do know they can stilv produce? And you pretend this is first time they sold out like this. It happens all the time. And it's doing just what gw wanted.
This box isn't any different to every other limited edition set that sells out. Gw doesn't want to meet demand because that would lower profits as full price kit sales would drop
GW knows it's community enough to know that they don't need to lie about availability to push sales. I don't recall ONE starter box or boxed set that didn't sell out the preorders. I mean obviously people are buying their stuff, they had a good year last year and even 1st quarter 2020 numbers were really good.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
Well, the resources they were using making r&h (0) can now be used on all those 1 primaris kits FW makes.
Rules writers and warehouse space are resources. The gw rules team now writes all the rules for fw, and gw uses the same warehouses for both fw and standard gw products (in the US at least).
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
GW produces what people buy...
Gw sabotaged the Line themselves.
The increase in Players when the army recived actual Support shows this.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
GW produces what people buy...
And many simply buy whatever gwproduces. Just look all those ridiculous "designed by Hasbro" primaris vehicles. No one can buy something that gw never produces, and quite often gw doesn't know what people want. Just look what happened when they finally made plastic SOB.
GW also produces what they want and like. If theres just no one that wants to work in something , unless theres really a outside push to force GW's hand, is not like they are gonna have any inside influence to promote it.
The age of FW armies is long gone. Is all ogre now.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
GW produces what people buy...
And many simply buy whatever gwproduces. Just look all those ridiculous "designed by Hasbro" primaris vehicles. No one can buy something that gw never produces, and quite often gw doesn't know what people want. Just look what happened when they finally made plastic SOB.
I like the buggy, it's fun and it looks a damn site better than FW's 27 different varieties of 'breadbox with treads'.
And many simply buy whatever gwproduces. Just look all those ridiculous "designed by Hasbro" primaris vehicles. No one can buy something that gw never produces, and quite often gw doesn't know what people want. Just look what happened when they finally made plastic SOB.
Nonesense.
If that were true. WHFB would've never failed (or even ever lagged behind 40K in popularity).
GW has no control over customer demand. Far, far, far bigger companies such as Coca Cola and Apple and whatnot have failed to get people to buy what they want to sell, instead of trying to sell what people want.
It never works and GW isn't even remotely in the league to even attempt it.
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BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
GW produces what people buy...
And many simply buy whatever gwproduces. Just look all those ridiculous "designed by Hasbro" primaris vehicles. No one can buy something that gw never produces, and quite often gw doesn't know what people want. Just look what happened when they finally made plastic SOB.
I like the buggy, it's fun and it looks a damn site better than FW's 27 different varieties of 'breadbox with treads'.
Yeah, I do not have a problem with the primaris vehicles either. And the idea that some people buy whatever GW produces is irrelevant since such (theoretical) people add a flat +X to all sales without favoring any single line. At any rate, the point is that GW would not produce so many dam Space Marines if people did not buy so many dam Space Marines. Some weird units, or an extra push on a certain faction, can be explained as coming from GW internally but there is no way that GW produces the immensity of the SM line solely because they have a personal fetish for them.
And many simply buy whatever gwproduces. Just look all those ridiculous "designed by Hasbro" primaris vehicles. No one can buy something that gw never produces, and quite often gw doesn't know what people want. Just look what happened when they finally made plastic SOB.
Nonesense.
If that were true. WHFB would've never failed (or even ever lagged behind 40K in popularity).
just that GW stopped producing anything for WHFB until it was too late
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
GW knows it's community enough to know that they don't need to lie about availability to push sales. I don't recall ONE starter box or boxed set that didn't sell out the preorders.
Funny, I can think of lots, until very recently. It didn't start until the two faction AoS boxes that were limited so they would intentionally sell out on day 1.
Not even the first crowned king of 'limited time only'- the Space Hulk remake- did that (not that it mattered in the long run, since they brought it back multiple times)
GW knows it's community enough to know that they don't need to lie about availability to push sales. I don't recall ONE starter box or boxed set that didn't sell out the preorders.
Funny, I can think of lots, until very recently. It didn't start until the two faction AoS boxes that were limited so they would intentionally sell out on day 1.
Not even the first crowned king of 'limited time only'- the Space Hulk remake- did that (not that it mattered in the long run, since they brought it back multiple times)
Faced between GW enacting a controlled-availability plan to lure people into buying product they would not otherwise purchase, or just not always being right on their estimations of how much to produce, I find the latter more plausible. Especially given the complete lack of evidence for the former.
GW knows it's community enough to know that they don't need to lie about availability to push sales. I don't recall ONE starter box or boxed set that didn't sell out the preorders.
Funny, I can think of lots, until very recently. It didn't start until the two faction AoS boxes that were limited so they would intentionally sell out on day 1.
Not even the first crowned king of 'limited time only'- the Space Hulk remake- did that (not that it mattered in the long run, since they brought it back multiple times)
Faced between GW enacting a controlled-availability plan to lure people into buying product they would not otherwise purchase, or just not always being right on their estimations of how much to produce, I find the latter more plausible. Especially given the complete lack of evidence for the former.
No, no.
GW ARE EVIL!!! PLEASE GW, GIVE ME MORE PLASTIC CRACK!!!
I swear some people are worst than a meth junkie (and I work with recovering drug addicts) and both meth junkies and mini wargamers behave toward their dealer in similar ways. LOL
angel of death 007 wrote: Gotta love it. GW advertises something for a month that sells out in 15 mins because they only make a very small amount of them.
Gotta be the worst business practice ever. Well the scalpers will make a mint on this one.
They advertise 9th ed that will be for sale for about 3 years with rulebooks, starter set and full kits
And many simply buy whatever gwproduces. Just look all those ridiculous "designed by Hasbro" primaris vehicles. No one can buy something that gw never produces, and quite often gw doesn't know what people want. Just look what happened when they finally made plastic SOB.
Nonesense.
If that were true. WHFB would've never failed (or even ever lagged behind 40K in popularity).
GW has no control over customer demand. Far, far, far bigger companies such as Coca Cola and Apple and whatnot have failed to get people to buy what they want to sell, instead of trying to sell what people want.
It never works and GW isn't even remotely in the league to even attempt it.
Fb died because gw stopped producing new stuff. When they decided to do that it was still top3 miniature game seller. But kits sell most of lifetime sales in first few months. Thus no new kits for game, no sales for game
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Lord Damocles wrote: With what looks like only two pages of Necron Forgeworld rules in CA, they'll likely be losing units.
How many pages you think point costs need? Ca has just point costs. Fw necron line isn't that long you would need 3-4 pages for point costs
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Lord Damocles wrote: With what looks like only two pages of Necron Forgeworld rules in CA, they'll likely be losing units.
I really hope not!
Then again they don't have that many to start with. The tomb sentinel/stalker can be one listing with different weapon options; same for the various pylons. That would give them perhaps 7 listings in total for different profiles.
Seraptek Titan
Tesseract Ark
Night Shroud Bomber
Canpotek Acanthrites
Pylon Sentry
Pylon
Tomb Sentinel/Stalker
That would fairly easily fit on a few pages if there's no fluff/art and its purely rules details.
Edit wait its just the point costs? Then yeah that would be only a few lines in the listing for all things - a few pages is all you'd need for that.
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Fb died because gw stopped producing new stuff. When they decided to do that it was still top3 miniature game seller. But kits sell most of lifetime sales in first few months. Thus no new kits for game, no sales for game
Nonesense.
From some point in the early 90s up to 2015, 40k and Fantasy got exactly the same amount of releases. One month 40K, one month Fantasy, one Codex 40K, one Army Book Fantasy.
It was a perfect 50/50 split for well into 25 years, and despite that, 40K always outpaced Fantasy by huge and ever-growing margins.
Games Workshop. Cannot. Possibly. Control. Demand. Impossible. Not. Even. A. Fraction. Of. A. Percentage. Point.
Also, if people would just buy what GW made, why did not only Fantasy implode, but LoTR? Hell, why did the company (pre-Kirby) go through several years of dark red numbers?
Lord Damocles wrote: With what looks like only two pages of Necron Forgeworld rules in CA, they'll likely be losing units.
The Necrons fw section in ca 2019 only took up about a half page: 25% of one page then 25% of the next, so probably the same this time.
Oh, derp. I'd mistaken CA for having the actual rules in it
I'm sure CA including points, and then FW coming out with updated rules afterwards won't cause any problems...
I'm sure the ca points take account of the new rules for fw units. Of course that doesn't mean that there won't be discrepancies between the points in the actual fw books and ca.
Sunny Side Up wrote:Games Workshop. Cannot. Possibly. Control. Demand. Impossible. Not. Even. A. Fraction. Of. A. Percentage. Point.
Really? You should inform them and other corporations about this. They could save loads of time and money that they are currently wasting on advertising and pr.
You too can make ££$$ a month working from home not telling anyone what you're doing!
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Sunny Side Up wrote:Games Workshop. Cannot. Possibly. Control. Demand. Impossible. Not. Even. A. Fraction. Of. A. Percentage. Point.
Really? You should inform them and other corporations about this. They could save loads of time and money that they are currently wasting on advertising and pr.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
HA, even if all R&H units remained the army would still massively under perform against anything.
As one R&H player to another, stop whining about the rules we lost and start fighting for the rules we could have!
Exactly as you just said, R&H as they are now (8e FW Index) is a pale shadow of both what the army was and what it could be. As Gadzilla said it's over priced, underpowered, devoid of features, and the range is discontinued.
Instead make your voice heard that you want a new, better R&H added to the core range. GW already cracked that door open a little when they released the Chaos enemies in Blackstone Fortress.
Pft what do you think i did write the about 5 Mails over 8th for then?
Heck gw knows the demands is there considering how ia13 literally multiplied the player numbers.
However so far i got no answer in any regards what so ever and i explicitly asked them if there was an actual dex in the work.
Niet nada, so don't just assume i didn't voice my complaints.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
The Necrons 
