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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Free 6" move and +1 to charge, anyone?

The -1 to toughness while within 1" is also a pretty good contender.

Wraiths can melt MEQ with their 4 attacks at S6 -2AP 2D:

+1 to hit aura for Canoptek units
-1 to toughness (T4 to T3)

Hitting on 3s, wounding on 2s sounds pretty juicy.

Necronplayer wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Free 6" move and +1 to charge, anyone?

The -1 to toughness while within 1" is also a pretty good contender.

Wraiths can melt MEQ with their 4 attacks at S6 -2AP 2D:

+1 to hit aura for Canoptek units
-1 to toughness (T4 to T3)

Hitting on 3s, wounding on 2s sounds pretty juicy.

-1 to toughness is great for Flayed Ones assuming they still get Shred on their claws.

 CKO wrote:
Can you get objective secured and free 6 inch move?

I think I read it wrong.

You can indeed. This is probably among the top competitive choices for dynasties as well.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Necronplayer wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Free 6" move and +1 to charge, anyone?

The -1 to toughness while within 1" is also a pretty good contender.

Wraiths can melt MEQ with their 4 attacks at S6 -2AP 2D:

+1 to hit aura for Canoptek units
-1 to toughness (T4 to T3)

Hitting on 3s, wounding on 2s sounds pretty juicy.

-1 to toughness is great for Flayed Ones assuming they still get Shred on their claws.

The article states they lost rerolling wounds, but I haven't seen a datasheet yet. Wouldn't be surprised though. And GW want me to believe that my Novokh Flayed Ones that lost rerolling hits and wounds are now better lol

Cynista wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Necronplayer wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Free 6" move and +1 to charge, anyone?

The -1 to toughness while within 1" is also a pretty good contender.

Wraiths can melt MEQ with their 4 attacks at S6 -2AP 2D:

+1 to hit aura for Canoptek units
-1 to toughness (T4 to T3)

Hitting on 3s, wounding on 2s sounds pretty juicy.

-1 to toughness is great for Flayed Ones assuming they still get Shred on their claws.

The article states they lost rerolling wounds, but I haven't seen a datasheet yet. Wouldn't be surprised though. And GW want me to believe that my Novokh Flayed Ones that lost rerolling hits and wounds are now better lol

Flayed ones did lose shred. They have the Flesh Hunger for exploding 6's on non-vehicle units, the native -1 ap on their claws, 3 A base and enemies subtract 2 from their LD while within 3' of them. 13 PPM and they can deepstirke.

 Sasori wrote:

Cynista wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Necronplayer wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Free 6" move and +1 to charge, anyone?

The -1 to toughness while within 1" is also a pretty good contender.

Wraiths can melt MEQ with their 4 attacks at S6 -2AP 2D:

+1 to hit aura for Canoptek units
-1 to toughness (T4 to T3)

Hitting on 3s, wounding on 2s sounds pretty juicy.

-1 to toughness is great for Flayed Ones assuming they still get Shred on their claws.

The article states they lost rerolling wounds, but I haven't seen a datasheet yet. Wouldn't be surprised though. And GW want me to believe that my Novokh Flayed Ones that lost rerolling hits and wounds are now better lol

Flayed ones did lose shred. They have the Flesh Hunger for exploding 6's on non-vehicle units, the native -1 ap on their claws, 3 A base and enemies subtract 2 from their LD while within 3' of them. 13 PPM and they can deepstirke.

Shred is VASTLY superior to AP-1 and exploding 6s.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

Cynista wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Necronplayer wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Free 6" move and +1 to charge, anyone?

The -1 to toughness while within 1" is also a pretty good contender.

Wraiths can melt MEQ with their 4 attacks at S6 -2AP 2D:

+1 to hit aura for Canoptek units
-1 to toughness (T4 to T3)

Hitting on 3s, wounding on 2s sounds pretty juicy.

-1 to toughness is great for Flayed Ones assuming they still get Shred on their claws.

The article states they lost rerolling wounds, but I haven't seen a datasheet yet. Wouldn't be surprised though. And GW want me to believe that my Novokh Flayed Ones that lost rerolling hits and wounds are now better lol

Flayed ones did lose shred. They have the Flesh Hunger for exploding 6's on non-vehicle units, the native -1 ap on their claws, 3 A base and enemies subtract 2 from their LD while within 3' of them. 13 PPM and they can deepstirke.

Shred is VASTLY superior to AP-1 and exploding 6s.

Just did the math on this 10 flayed ones vs T4, you cause an average of 5 unsaved wounds vs 3+, 6 with the new rules.
Against T5 you cause an average of 3 unsaved wounds against 3+ with the old rules vs 2 with the current rules.

So it's not vastly superior at all. It's very slightly better against T5+, while the new rule being better on T4 and below. That's not even starting to get into the bonus' you can get between the stratagems and the Novokh Dynasty.

Anyone else disappointed that the monolith is a LOW?

punisher357 wrote:
Anyone else disappointed that the monolith is a LOW?

Every Necron player I know is. They seemed to have finally made it worth while (Well, maybe once Eradicators are gone...) But now you are either spending 3 CP and not giving it dynasty bonus' or you are bringing 3 of them.

punisher357 wrote:
Anyone else disappointed that the monolith is a LOW?

Oh yes.
I'm pretty certain its my personal biggest disappointment in the entire book.

I was honestly hoping the point cost would come down for the flux arc loadout, but instead it went UP 90 points AND costs CP on top.
The only solace here is the new marine vehicles are also overpriced.

GW seems to vastly overrate vehicles this edition, but I have absolutely no idea why. I can't even guess.

Tempted to make a gimmick list of 2 Monoliths, a Seraptek, 3 Technomancers with cloaks, and as many Warriors as I can fit in

If a Nightscythe is destroyed can the occupants now disembark without having to use a friggin strat? Or have they just kept it the same

I think it's worth mentioning that being non-core doesn't mean you don't get buffs in the Necron army, Canoptek and Destroyer Cult are both keywords that pop up pretty often. It's just different HQ's to take.

Twilight Pathways wrote:
If a Nightscythe is destroyed can the occupants now disembark without having to use a friggin strat? Or have they just kept it the same

I believe Night Scythes are now just regular Transports with a capacity of 20 now. So wonky Tomb World Deployment and strat to save your units are thankfully a thing of the past.

Can a Night scythe deploy a unit and its support charscter at the same timr though?

-Ňecrontyr- wrote:
Can a Night scythe deploy a unit and its support charscter at the same timr though?

Yes, it now functions like a regular transport with a capacity of 20. The ability to deploy to any Night Scythe or Monolith was moved to a stratagem.

20 models or wounds?

I assume we weren't lucky enough to have Invasion Beams back again?

-Ňecrontyr- wrote:
20 models or wounds?

Models. But only core infantry, infantry characters or dynastic agent infantry.

Works for me. I can now drop 10 lychguard/immortals and a character again!

Plus you can trigger Malecolent Arcing off their tesla destructors

Malevolent arcing is hilarious. It can be a single model shooting, and it doesnt even have to hit. You still roll for the MW.

Anyone with better info know what the exact wording is on the Doomstalker's overwatch ability? They get to fire overwatch for free on anything charging a friendly within 6"... but do they still need 6's to hit?


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One wonders if the Night Shroud bomber and the other Forgeworld kits will get better rules.

Been trying to get a Seraptek for months

 Sasori wrote:

Just did the math on this 10 flayed ones vs T4, you cause an average of 5 unsaved wounds vs 3+, 6 with the new rules.
Against T5 you cause an average of 3 unsaved wounds against 3+ with the old rules vs 2 with the current rules.

So it's not vastly superior at all. It's very slightly better against T5+, while the new rule being better on T4 and below. That's not even starting to get into the bonus' you can get between the stratagems and the Novokh Dynasty.

Long story short, they were bad before and are still bad now. It's a shame. I think if they had 4 attacks base each they would be viable

Cynista wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

Just did the math on this 10 flayed ones vs T4, you cause an average of 5 unsaved wounds vs 3+, 6 with the new rules.
Against T5 you cause an average of 3 unsaved wounds against 3+ with the old rules vs 2 with the current rules.

So it's not vastly superior at all. It's very slightly better against T5+, while the new rule being better on T4 and below. That's not even starting to get into the bonus' you can get between the stratagems and the Novokh Dynasty.

Long story short, they were bad before and are still bad now. It's a shame. I think if they had 4 attacks base each they would be viable

.. whats their points cost?

BrianDavion wrote:

Cynista wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

Just did the math on this 10 flayed ones vs T4, you cause an average of 5 unsaved wounds vs 3+, 6 with the new rules.
Against T5 you cause an average of 3 unsaved wounds against 3+ with the old rules vs 2 with the current rules.

So it's not vastly superior at all. It's very slightly better against T5+, while the new rule being better on T4 and below. That's not even starting to get into the bonus' you can get between the stratagems and the Novokh Dynasty.

Long story short, they were bad before and are still bad now. It's a shame. I think if they had 4 attacks base each they would be viable

.. whats their points cost?

13, so one down from prior. Sasori also gave the result in "unsaved wounds". The new models have AP1, which tilts it further into their advantage.

Necron melee is better, there might be a marginal difference in damage output when you compare old rules and new rules for Flayed Ones but they are a 1 wound model with the new RP rule. That means defensively they are far superior.

Another question; as Destroyers are now "Lokhust Destroyers" are the old Heavy Destroyers essentially re-done into the new "Lokhust Heavy" variant? Or are the old 'heavy destroyers' now just a weapon swap for 'lokhust destroyers'

Little confused.

-Ňecrontyr- wrote:
Another question; as Destroyers are now "Lokhust Destroyers" are the old Heavy Destroyers essentially re-done into the new "Lokhust Heavy" variant? Or are the old 'heavy destroyers' now just a weapon swap for 'lokhust destroyers'

Little confused.

We still have the old destroyers I think the name may have changed.

-Ňecrontyr- wrote:
Another question; as Destroyers are now "Lokhust Destroyers" are the old Heavy Destroyers essentially re-done into the new "Lokhust Heavy" variant? Or are the old 'heavy destroyers' now just a weapon swap for 'lokhust destroyers'

Little confused.

I'd say so. You take your old heavy destroyers as Lokhust heavy destroyers, your old destroyers as Lokhust destroyers and your destroyer lord as lokhust destroyer lord.Even the options stayed similar as you can still mix one heavy destroyer into a group of normal destroyers.

So essentially the old heavy destroyer has received an upgraded cannon.