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With the (I’m assuming success) of Adeptus Titanicus and Aeronautica Imperialis, could we ever hope to see this possibly leading into the creation of a new Epic 40K, or is this a fever dream?

I think it is unlikely for something the breadth of the old Epic. We *might* see Epic-level imperial factions (Marine & Guard at most) a few years down the road, but with the breadth of units available I think it is unlikely we'd see Xenos or other supporting imperial factions.

Titanicus initially sold well, but the slow release cycle and the complexities of maintaining full lines of 40K minis and (less detailed) 10/8mm figures in this day and age I don't believe is feasible for them.

 Stormonu wrote:
I think it is unlikely for something the breadth of the old Epic. We *might* see Epic-level imperial factions (Marine & Guard at most) a few years down the road, but with the breadth of units available I think it is unlikely we'd see Xenos or other supporting imperial factions.

Titanicus initially sold well, but the slow release cycle and the complexities of maintaining full lines of 40K minis and (less detailed) 10/8mm figures in this day and age I don't believe is feasible for them.

Aye, anything is possible, but, making an entirely new line of mini's that are basically smaller scale iterations of existing models for an alternate ruleset probably won't happen, particularly with the explosion in factions and SKU count we've seen since Epic in days of yore, I think GW is looking more to Apocalypse to represent that scale of gaming, even if it's not the same. Aeronautica and Titanicus works because they aren't trying to do every faction and there aren't a huge number of flyers for everyone and aerial/titanic combat isn't terribly well represented by 40k anyway, but Epic sadly would likely just be cannibalizing much of the same market as existing 40k. If we do get it, I would expect very limited faction availability.

That and if the models aren’t 40k compatible I always worry that the money I invest in it will be worthLess in a year or two when GW stops support for the game.

Then I guess that leaves me with apocalypse

They might, but expect it to be Epic Horus Heresy, where they only ever have to produce 1 army.

FW did at one point say if and that is IF with capitals Titanicus did well enough they might add xeno factions to it, think Eldar and Tau were mentioned IIRC though that wasn't offical that was a reported conversation with a FW employee at an event.

The old Tyranid hierophant titan from the epic range was one of my favourite models ever. I wish the FW biotitan looked like it,

The FW thing is spindly and delicate looking. The Epic model, conversely, took a page from the carnifex playbook of sh**kicking!

What was said on Warhammer TV is that AT will focus on big walkers for now (no tanks or infantry) and they are looking at Xenos campaign books further down the road - I think Beast Arises was mentioned for Orks.

The Specialist Games team is still very small. They've said they want to do BFG next but there aren't enough of them to do it in a timely manner which is why we got AI instead.

YES NO MAYBE


AT and AN are clearly in the same scale for GW to leave the door open to doing Epic in the future. It's not on the cards now, but who knows.

beast_gts wrote:
...The Specialist Games team is still very small. They've said they want to do BFG next but there aren't enough of them to do it in a timely manner which is why we got AI instead.

I find that odd. The rules aren't any more complicated, and you don't really need to make any more kits (you'd start BFG with a frigate box and a cruisers box each for both the Navy and Chaos, and you'd have more unit selection by doing that than AI got out of Thunderbolts + Marauders v. Fightas + Fighta-Bommas, and they could put Space Marines in it early). Maybe that's our hint they've got some kind of large overhaul to BFG bigger than AI's grid system in the works.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
...The Specialist Games team is still very small. They've said they want to do BFG next but there aren't enough of them to do it in a timely manner which is why we got AI instead.

I find that odd. The rules aren't any more complicated, and you don't really need to make any more kits (you'd start BFG with a frigate box and a cruisers box each for both the Navy and Chaos, and you'd have more unit selection by doing that than AI got out of Thunderbolts + Marauders v. Fightas + Fighta-Bommas, and they could put Space Marines in it early). Maybe that's our hint they've got some kind of large overhaul to BFG bigger than AI's grid system in the works.

Yeah - I'm trying to find the exact quote (I think it was on Warhammer TV). It was something like "right now we'd have to put all other games on hold to do BFG justice".

New BFG would be awesome, especially if they went to Titanicus scale. Imagine Repulsive Class Grand Cruisers the size of warlords in Titanicus......

I'd love BFG if it included Eldar

Well, AT certainly seems to be selling decently if how often stuff sells out is a measure,

But, I urge caution as for now, it remains a novelty in its infancy. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a very good game - but it still needs to put meat on its bones.

If it maintains sales outside the core ‘must have’ trinity of Titans? They’ll likely expand with Xenos first (cheaper option than writing an entire new system for Epic), and see how that goes,

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
New BFG would be awesome, especially if they went to Titanicus scale. Imagine Repulsive Class Grand Cruisers the size of warlords in Titanicus......

That would be absolutely horrible, yes. The exact problem with space battle games tends to be a mismatch of scale and abstraction level with the fact it has to be played on a two dimensional table by actual human beings. BFG originally circumvented this by simply declaring all distances so long as to make no difference what the miniatures look like. Mechanically the only thing that matters was the stem at the center of the base and even then the old models routinely got difficult when boarding actions and movements took them close to each other. Reasonably sized models also leave more room for maneuver on the field, which is critical for the feel of the game.

As a sidenote, reading "if they went to Titanicus scale" too literally brought a chuckle out of me as this is addressed in the Epic Armageddon rules by stating "Even a small Imperial Lunar class Cruiser would be over 5 metres long if we made an Epic scale model of it." Good luck fielding those

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
New BFG would be awesome, especially if they went to Titanicus scale. Imagine Repulsive Class Grand Cruisers the size of warlords in Titanicus......

That would be absolutely horrible, yes. The exact problem with space battle games tends to be a mismatch of scale and abstraction level with the fact it has to be played on a two dimensional table by actual human beings. BFG originally circumvented this by simply declaring all distances so long as to make no difference what the miniatures look like. Mechanically the only thing that matters was the stem at the center of the base and even then the old models routinely got difficult when boarding actions and movements took them close to each other. Reasonably sized models also leave more room for maneuver on the field, which is critical for the feel of the game.

As a sidenote, reading "if they went to Titanicus scale" too literally brought a chuckle out of me as this is addressed in the Epic Armageddon rules by stating "Even a small Imperial Lunar class Cruiser would be over 5 metres long if we made an Epic scale model of it." Good luck fielding those

Well you're no fun. I want my knight sized grand cruiser.

AT hasn't even got one non-Imperial race yet. I'd wager its going to be a while before we see Chaos and Xenos appear which means a long while before GW would approach ap oint where they might start running out of models and looking to expand.

 Sherrypie wrote:
...As a sidenote, reading "if they went to Titanicus scale" too literally brought a chuckle out of me as this is addressed in the Epic Armageddon rules by stating "Even a small Imperial Lunar class Cruiser would be over 5 metres long if we made an Epic scale model of it." Good luck fielding those

6mm scale is nominally 1:285. 5x285 is around 1,450, which is how big the destroyers in Warhammer usually are. A Lunar in scale could credibly be 20 meters long. Which, to be fair, is over 5 meters.

A desire to build an AT / Epic table that is a cruiser's hull intensifies.

 Sherrypie wrote:
A desire to build an AT / Epic table that is a cruiser's hull intensifies.

ditto

I think CV is gonna put a moratorium on any new product lines for the foreseeable future guys.

 Sherrypie wrote:
A desire to build an AT / Epic table that is a cruiser's hull intensifies.

I've got a Deep-Cut Space Hulk mat I use for Necromunda that could probably work as a hull...

beast_gts wrote:

 Sherrypie wrote:
A desire to build an AT / Epic table that is a cruiser's hull intensifies.

I've got a Deep-Cut Space Hulk mat I use for Necromunda that could probably work as a hull...

Nice! I need that. Wonder if they ship to the states. The warzone one is nice as well.

Will We Ever See Another Iteration of Epic 40K?

I hope so, it was a great game, and it's where superheavies, knights and the like should be. I imagine it would be quite popular but I shudder to think what price they'd put on it

When AT was still fresh they did mention that they might include Super heavies like the Baneblade.

If we do ever get a full version of Epic it it'll be a slow burner.

Maybe once most/all factions have something for AT an AN then maybe we'll see something like "Horus Heresy Battle for Tallarn" for mass tank battles. Then if we're really lucky we might then get a full Epic rule set to link the three games + Infantry.

I have a feeling that Apocalypse IS GW's answer...
the rules are close to some of the old Epic rules,

in the meantime, there are several good 3rd party companies that make great "not Epic" figs,
and eBay still has lots of old Epic...

our local group is planning on running games of simultaneous AT and Apoc, using our old Epic figs, on the same table

still working on the range/movement aspects
as well as interactions between superheavies and Titans

Apoc and Epic don't compare really. Apoc is more "spend a day/weekend throwing every model in a line and fighting it out for fun".

There's just not room on most tables to move around - Epic on the other hand has far more room to move units, to flank or strike. Plus one person can collect an army, carry it and bring it to play in a regular game session.

 Overread wrote:
Apoc and Epic don't compare really. Apoc is more "spend a day/weekend throwing every model in a line and fighting it out for fun".

There's just not room on most tables to move around - Epic on the other hand has far more room to move units, to flank or strike. Plus one person can collect an army, carry it and bring it to play in a regular game session.

Yeah, and even if I did get some old epic stuff I’d be hard pressed to get someone else in my area to play

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Apoc and Epic don't compare really. Apoc is more "spend a day/weekend throwing every model in a line and fighting it out for fun".

There's just not room on most tables to move around - Epic on the other hand has far more room to move units, to flank or strike. Plus one person can collect an army, carry it and bring it to play in a regular game session.

Yeah, and even if I did get some old epic stuff I’d be hard pressed to get someone else in my area to play

They do compare very well, actually. Ruleswise Apoc is a streamlined Epic: Armageddon with a dash of Space Marine 2nd edition thrown in. It is also trivially easy to convert into 6 mm miniatures, which fixes the issue of table space. We've played it like that and had fun.

Apoc is the latest Epic. Where 40k is platoon level, Apoc is company level and Epic a battalion size game.