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So here’s confirmation that 9th is supporting soup, chaos flavour at least. Personally I think it’s a good thing. I imagine it must be the same for SM.

I think you've misread the text.

To me, it reads like the opposite. It looks like they are giving bonuses to non-soup armies.

If thats the case, I support it.

At the OP, I took the opposite message when I read the whole article. Soup is no longer needed for generating CPs.

Soup was never in question it just has a cost now.

Oh, I don’t think I understand what soup is

It's really yummy. My favourite is spicy pumpkin and coconut soup.

mrFickle wrote:
Oh, I don’t think I understand what soup is

 XeonDragon wrote:
It's really yummy. My favourite is spicy pumpkin and coconut soup.

mrFickle wrote:
Oh, I don’t think I understand what soup is

anything with a cream base, except fish chowders.
OT, Soup is where you take multiple detachments from multiple Codex-s. Personally, I'm building a Tzeentch inspired list, with Knights, Daemons, and Thousand Sons. That means 2 to 3 codexes and 2 to 3 supplements to build. That is soup.

Mixing different Legions might be the mildest form of "soup" in the world. Certainly nothing compared to Ultramarine/Imperial Guard/Skitarii/Knight armies.

It's hardly soup. It's a light glaze. It's a sauce at best!

(/food analogies)

The saltiest soup is made from the tears of CSM players.

TangoTwoBravo wrote:
The saltiest soup is made from the tears of CSM players.

Thats savage.

I would liek to throw down for a aubergine/sweet potato creme soup. with crutons.

Chicken and Khorne is my preferred soup.

Aaah.... but in-verse the saltiest soup is anything made by the Eldar

 Argive wrote:

TangoTwoBravo wrote:
The saltiest soup is made from the tears of CSM players.

Thats savage.

I would liek to throw down for a aubergine/sweet potato creme soup. with crutons.

Soups shouldn't be removed, just penalized. Rewarding monofactions is the way to go, maybe even mono-subfaction.

 Blackie wrote:
Soups shouldn't be removed, just penalized. Rewarding monofactions is the way to go, maybe even mono-subfaction.

That's kinda the way things are going, you're being encouraged to jam everything into one detachment in order to maximise your pool of Command Points. You can still go for 2-3 detachments, but every detachment after your first is going to cost you CP. There may also be a mechanic for generating some in mono-factions that mixed factions do not get access to due to the mixed command structure.

So now I think I understand soup, it looks like you may not accrue as many CP if you have detachments from different codexes but more stratagems are being provided so the trade off will be a greater choice of strategic options. So you might not need as many CP

Pffffrt. Royal Game Soup or GTFO.

CP will still carry a value due to GW bolting the best bits of rule bending behind stratagems, souping up might cost you the CP that would have been better spent on moar dakka type strats in the opening turns, as even with the free CP per turn people will still frontload as getting a boost to full strength unit is better than the same trick on turn 4 with a beat up unit

And Drukhari salt is just more elegant than everyones due to the thrice filtered Codex

mrFickle wrote:
So here’s confirmation that 9th is supporting soup, chaos flavour at least. Personally I think it’s a good thing. I imagine it must be the same for SM.

Uuuh that describes how it was in 8th ed...

In 9th ed you can still do but with 3 bat's you would pay 6 CP for it.

tneva82 wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
So here’s confirmation that 9th is supporting soup, chaos flavour at least. Personally I think it’s a good thing. I imagine it must be the same for SM.

Uuuh that describes how it was in 8th ed...

In 9th ed you can still do but with 3 bat's you would pay 6 CP for it.

and lose mono-faction or mono-subfaction bonuses.

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
CP will still carry a value due to GW bolting the best bits of rule bending behind stratagems, souping up might cost you the CP that would have been better spent on moar dakka type strats in the opening turns, as even with the free CP per turn people will still frontload as getting a boost to full strength unit is better than the same trick on turn 4 with a beat up unit

And Drukhari salt is just more elegant than everyones due to the thrice filtered Codex

With less stuff on the field, more stuff in reserve and an harder to get LoS, the first turn will be quite uneventful.

Turns 2 and 3 are going to be the ones where masses of dice will roll, especially turn 3.

If the reserve strategist rules are similar to what we are expecting them to be, on the table previewed as an example my army wouldn't offer a single target turn 1 (and obviously not shoot either).

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
CP will still carry a value due to GW bolting the best bits of rule bending behind stratagems, souping up might cost you the CP that would have been better spent on moar dakka type strats in the opening turns, as even with the free CP per turn people will still frontload as getting a boost to full strength unit is better than the same trick on turn 4 with a beat up unit

And Drukhari salt is just more elegant than everyones due to the thrice filtered Codex

I can potentially see DE getting a CP discount for multiple small formations, if not a certain number free, depending on engagement size?

Main thing is Souping For Gamey Advantage does appear to be a thing of the past. By that I mean Loyal 32 brought solely as a cheap CP Battery for less fluffy armies.

One can still soup for flavour, such as an Imperial Crusade Force, featuring multiple elements of His Forces. I am and always have been in favour of using allies for that purpose, because it’s often Rule of Cool over combo abuse.

IMO DE detachmants should just all get the -3CP discount aka be free. According to the codex lore, each detachment is led by its own leader, all parts are very independed of each other.

In fact it could be a DE trait. That as long as they take different type of detatchment be it homonculus, wych or kabalite they cost 0CP for the first detachment. If someone wants to take 3x detachments full of wrecks with flamers, then only the first one would be at -3CP.

Well I'm not opposing to give Drukhari some special rules in list building. But they have a very important advantage, they can field lists where EVERYTHING gets an appropriate bonus. My take is that they pay some CPs to go multiple detachments and in doing so they get multiple traits, obsessions... that's the tradeoff. Like -1 for the second and an additional -2 for a third, but only if they are one of each different subfactions, not two kabals for example. If they want two different obsessions chosen among the same kind of subfactions they should pay like anyone else.

Otherwise they'd just simply be like all the other factions, where all the units included get the same chapter bonus but some of them may not benefit from it at all: I mean they can be mono Black Heart for example with wych cult and/or coven stuff, but then everything gets the Black Heart/Obsidian Rose/etc obsession. This way units like Talos and Grots would be much weaker as they won't have their 4++. Imagine a full Prophets of Flesh detachement with kabalite in venoms or ravagers, no Flayed Skull/Black Heart bonus. Is this what drukhari player really want?

 Blackie wrote:
Well I'm not opposing to give Drukhari some special rules in list building. But they have a very important advantage, they can field lists where EVERYTHING gets an appropriate bonus. My take is that they pay some CPs to go multiple detachments and in doing so they get multiple traits, obsessions... that's the tradeoff. Like -1 for the second and an additional -2 for a third, but only if they are one of each different subfactions, not two kabals for example. If they want two different obsessions chosen among the same kind of subfactions they should pay like anyone else.

Otherwise they'd just simply be like all the other factions, where all the units included get the same chapter bonus but some of them may not benefit from it at all: I mean they can be mono Black Heart for example with wych cult and/or coven stuff, but then everything gets the Black Heart/Obsidian Rose/etc obsession. This way units like Talos and Grots would be much weaker as they won't have their 4++. Imagine a full Prophets of Flesh detachement with kabalite in venoms or ravagers, no Flayed Skull/Black Heart bonus. Is this what drukhari player really want?

Imagine Kabal units with Dark Technomancers. Yes please! Being able to get a basic reroll 1s aura on a Talos? I'll take it! Many of the bonuses we have access to are clearly better on other units. The custom Kabal faction traits for example are almost all combat oriented and the best shooting traits are on Coven. Wych cult units could make great use of Flayed Skull and Coven of several of the Wych traits. Black heart is also great on Coven and Wych units, much better than It is on Kabal. It would tone down Prophets, but that's a good thing.

Alternatively keep the three way split, but don't make it 4 way with the 4th group just getting shafted.

Drager wrote:

 Blackie wrote:
Well I'm not opposing to give Drukhari some special rules in list building. But they have a very important advantage, they can field lists where EVERYTHING gets an appropriate bonus. My take is that they pay some CPs to go multiple detachments and in doing so they get multiple traits, obsessions... that's the tradeoff. Like -1 for the second and an additional -2 for a third, but only if they are one of each different subfactions, not two kabals for example. If they want two different obsessions chosen among the same kind of subfactions they should pay like anyone else.

Otherwise they'd just simply be like all the other factions, where all the units included get the same chapter bonus but some of them may not benefit from it at all: I mean they can be mono Black Heart for example with wych cult and/or coven stuff, but then everything gets the Black Heart/Obsidian Rose/etc obsession. This way units like Talos and Grots would be much weaker as they won't have their 4++. Imagine a full Prophets of Flesh detachement with kabalite in venoms or ravagers, no Flayed Skull/Black Heart bonus. Is this what drukhari player really want?

Imagine Kabal units with Dark Technomancers. Yes please! Being able to get a basic reroll 1s aura on a Talos? I'll take it! Many of the bonuses we have access to are clearly better on other units. The custom Kabal faction traits for example are almost all combat oriented and the best shooting traits are on Coven. Wych cult units could make great use of Flayed Skull and Coven of several of the Wych traits. Black heart is also great on Coven and Wych units, much better than It is on Kabal. It would tone down Prophets, but that's a good thing.

Alternatively keep the three way split, but don't make it 4 way with the 4th group just getting shafted.

Of course some obsessions should be re-worded. Many units will just stay with their standard profile, no bonus. Or with bonus that actually doesn't give them much. Re-rolling 1s in shooting for talos is clearly inferior than having +1 to their invuln and adds none to grotesques which doesn't shoot at all.

For example orks have the Tin Headz subfaction and you can make a full detachment of boyz, warbosses, mek gunz, etc out of it, but only megarmored models and walkers get a bonus. Anything else gets none. It's not like all the army gets +1 to hit. Same should work for drukhari: take a wych cult obsession, only a few units could get the bonus not everything like coven stuff or other things.

TangoTwoBravo wrote:
The saltiest soup is made from the tears of CSM players.

Played against any of those newly exalted bloodthirsters yet?

the salt may not be coming from chaos players as much anymore...