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 Bosskelot wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Bosskelot wrote:
They play Space Marines.

feth that book(s)

given how common marine armies are you must not get many games.

This is what almost killed local 40k in my area before lockdown; people were just not wanting to play vs Marine armies.

Mate of mine, fanatical IH purist, took a look at the IH supplement when it came out. Started laughing in the midst of the store, put it back , runs now custom trait lads.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Blackie wrote:
... or the old ghaz instead of the new one.

Hold up. You'd refuse to play someone using this:


That seems a bit extreme. I mean if they're trying to use this guy as Ghaz, sure, but the last version is a no-go for you?

Would you deny a game to someone who owns original Wraithguard? What about someone using the first Talos GW made? None of them are exactly the same size as the current ones.

The new ghaz has a 80mm base, the old dude only a 40mm. He's also 4x in volume than the classic ghaz. The old talos has the same base size of the new one, and basically the same dimensions. The old wraithguard are just like old terminators, a bit smaller than the current models and on 25mm bases instead of 40mm so with some attention (aka playing like they were on 40mm) they'd be absolutely legit.

The old ghaz is now good only as a standard meganobz, which is what I'll also do.

Not played since 7th, hoping to start again in 9th.

But generally, people who chime in while I play with others with 'useful' tips.

My favourite is when the local neckbeard tells me how I've equipped my models with the wrong gear 'after' I've assembled them... Like yeah, dude, I'm totally going buy a new box of of warriors, yet another Tyrant and half a dozen boxes of 'gaunts based purely on your suggestion.

I like learning the books myself and using even the most inefficient models that I have (that usually over-perform as soon as my opponent writes them off as inefficient). I don't mind comments on how I can add to my list or slight tweaks, but I don't like explaining my entire army composition, what I'm trying out in the book, and how I like to play just because someone else thinks what I'm doing is stupid.

From past experience in the hobby and in MTG people like that become even worse when you play against them.

When it comes to hyper competitive list's, I never minded them much because you can see those players a mile off and I tend to enjoy them once in a while to see where the holes are in my jank list. I think the trick is not playing against them too often, they can actually be quite fun even when you're stomped once you see all the cool things they can do.

Karol wrote:
Someone has a fully painted nazi or communist style army. Only type of person I would never play.

That's sad, saw a beautifully painted "red army" themed guard army based on WWII era at a GT in 2010.

As a history buff i thought it was a nice touch.......so do you hate the black templars since their entire look is modeled on the knights hospitaller. from the crusades?

The winning and losing doesn't factor in on if they're a pleasant person to play against

Bingo sgt_smudge.

Just showed a regular at the FLGS , who only played 8th, how to play 5th last night. helped him make up a couple lists for his khorne army ....and he kicked the crap outta me...we had a blast, he really likes 5th to, so bonus!

 aphyon wrote:

Karol wrote:
Someone has a fully painted nazi or communist style army. Only type of person I would never play.

That's sad, saw a beautifully painted "red army" themed guard army based on WWII era at a GT in 2010.

As a history buff i thought it was a nice touch.......so do you hate the black templars since their entire look is modeled on the knights hospitaller. from the crusades?

What is the head count of communists and nazis have with your family, because on both sides of my moms and my dads family it goes in to 30+ people? And my step father family had the same head count, I know that the part of his whole family that lived in elblang were shot in 1940.

I don't care about hospitaler knights, but if someone would pop up with a teutonic XIX nationalismthemed army, I wouldn't play them either. Those people later ended up being prussian nazis and durning Operation Warta killed multiple people in my family, and the rest was chased out of their homes to rot in generaly guberny.

Karol wrote:

 aphyon wrote:

Karol wrote:
Someone has a fully painted nazi or communist style army. Only type of person I would never play.

That's sad, saw a beautifully painted "red army" themed guard army based on WWII era at a GT in 2010.

As a history buff i thought it was a nice touch.......so do you hate the black templars since their entire look is modeled on the knights hospitaller. from the crusades?

What is the head count of communists and nazis have with your family, because on both sides of my moms and my dads family it goes in to 30+ people? And my step father family had the same head count, I know that the part of his whole family that lived in elblang were shot in 1940.

I don't care about hospitaler knights, but if someone would pop up with a teutonic XIX nationalismthemed army, I wouldn't play them either. Those people later ended up being prussian nazis and durning Operation Warta killed multiple people in my family, and the rest was chased out of their homes to rot in generaly guberny.

You do understand that every group has screwed over every other group at some point in human history. some are more recent than others. in some parts of Europe they are still salty over things that happened between them many hundreds of years ago. i don't equate bad character or game experience with historical themes.

Aphyon, I would not tell a polish how he should fell about communism.

People running sucessor chapter custom rules.

Can you imagine the amount of bitching there would be if T'au were allowed to run sub-septs where you choose one of the main septs, get all the strategems but could swap out the sept trait for the custom traits?

 Galas wrote:
Aphyon, I would not tell a polish how he should fell about communism.

I agree communism is a horrible failed system that can never work and has killed millions, however were not talking political ideology here, we are talking about painting our 40K armies to reflect historical imagery.


One of the guys at the FLGS has his titan legion all painted up in heraldry from a real noble house dating back centuries.

 aphyon wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Aphyon, I would not tell a polish how he should fell about communism.

I agree communism is a horrible failed system that can never work and has killed millions, however were not talking political ideology here, we are talking about painting our 40K armies to reflect historical imagery.


One of the guys at the FLGS has his titan legion all painted up in heraldry from a real noble house dating back centuries.

Whether or not it makes sense to you, what Karol feels is perfectly valid.

Accept that, and move on. You can feel differently, and quite clearly do, so accept that that and just let it be.

 aphyon wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Aphyon, I would not tell a polish how he should fell about communism.

I agree communism is a horrible failed system that can never work and has killed millions, however were not talking political ideology here, we are talking about painting our 40K armies to reflect historical imagery.


One of the guys at the FLGS has his titan legion all painted up in heraldry from a real noble house dating back centuries.

I suggest you stay the feth away from politics, and leave Karol to his valid point of view.

The noble house from hundreds of years ago is irrelevant.

 aphyon wrote:


You do understand that every group has screwed over every other group at some point in human history. some are more recent than others. in some parts of Europe they are still salty over things that happened between them many hundreds of years ago. i don't equate bad character or game experience with historical themes.

Salty? My moms grandmother, her sister, all their daughters and grand daughters were raped and then killed after the siege of goldap, and non of them were german. You have no idea what was going on in Poland durning the war or durning the soviet occupation.

But I understand that. You have an american flag, so I guess you care for what happened in europe is unimportant to you. But imagine if someone waltz in to your store with a full blown KKK army, including hanging racks and custom made objectives. How long would that person stay at your store. There are people in my family that remember WWII, my grandparents grew up on post WWII ruins, till this very day there are buildings in my area that have bullet holes in them. Also in case of both russians and germans it was not like they tried to kill us of for the first time. They tried to do it for over 200 years. If someone in my country thinks that it is okey to be pro nazi or pro communist, then one of two things has to be true. Either they are insane or they are pro nazi/communism. And I would not play against either of the type of people.


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 harlokin wrote:

I suggest you stay the feth away from politics, and leave Karol to his valid point of view.

The noble house from hundreds of years ago is irrelevant.

Has nothing to do with politics. Tell me when a solider nails a 6 year old to a door, what "politics" are behind it. Or when nazi flyers to use up all ammo decide to shot up columns of civilians. There is no politics in those things. Just one side being evil. Or does someone here questions the evilness of the 3ed reich?


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 Galas wrote:
Aphyon, I would not tell a polish how he should fell about communism.

Thanks. In a way it would be as if someone in Spain decided to have an interesting army and went full Condro Legion with it.

Karol wrote:
Has nothing to do with politics. Tell me when a solider nails a 6 year old to a door, what "politics" are behind it. Or when nazi flyers to use up all ammo decide to shot up columns of civilians. There is no politics in those things. Just one side being evil. Or does someone here questions the evilness of the 3ed reich?

You misunderstood my objection. My family were communist partisans in Yugoslavia, and several were killed by the Nazis.

Karol wrote:
Someone has a fully painted nazi or communist style army. Only type of person I would never play.

Hope you never get into bolt action then.

 warmaster21 wrote:

Karol wrote:
Someone has a fully painted nazi or communist style army. Only type of person I would never play.

Hope you never get into bolt action then.

Thats what Bolt Action is though. It is not what WH40K is.

Kayback wrote:

 warmaster21 wrote:

Karol wrote:
Someone has a fully painted nazi or communist style army. Only type of person I would never play.

Hope you never get into bolt action then.

Thats what Bolt Action is though. It is not what WH40K is.

Also, Karol does not (as far as I know) play Bolt Action. And, given what they just said, I doubt they want to play it.

 aphyon wrote:

Karol wrote:
Someone has a fully painted nazi or communist style army. Only type of person I would never play.

That's sad, saw a beautifully painted "red army" themed guard army based on WWII era at a GT in 2010.

As a history buff i thought it was a nice touch.......so do you hate the black templars since their entire look is modeled on the knights hospitaller. from the crusades?

There is a difference between utilizing elements(tabards, helms, sword pommels, etc) and flatout just copy/pasting something in.

This is something that comes up time and time and time again whenever things like this are discussed and pulling examples like the Black Templars out is disingenuous at best, trolling at worst. Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not there is a sizeable difference in the two concepts.

Just wanted to chime in with support for Karol on this one. The "Red menace" for a lot of people here in the US is a sort of distant 80s action movie bogeyman. In eastern europe the feeling is a little bit different.

 warmaster21 wrote:

Karol wrote:
Someone has a fully painted nazi or communist style army. Only type of person I would never play.

Hope you never get into bolt action then.

I think reasonable people recognize some degree of difference between accurately depicting a historical regime in a historical wargame, versus going out of your way to depict that same historical regime in a wholly unrelated sci-fi/fantasy game.

I don't have a problem with historical themes in 40K armies, but I would refuse to play against someone who I feel is deliberately glorifying a distasteful part of history. For me, iconography is where I draw the line, but it's going to be different for everyone- and quite likely related to how close to home a particular historical allegory hits.

Rules lawyering and gotcha tricks (knowing opponent makes a mistake yet does not inform untill it most beneficial). Its killing peoples joy and mood for the game, it does not belong.

Besides that i dont care if people rage or whine. A game can go sideways and dice can betray. Ive been playing Khorne and Wolves for many years, so gak going sideways is normal for me.

 warmaster21 wrote:

Karol wrote:
Someone has a fully painted nazi or communist style army. Only type of person I would never play.

Hope you never get into bolt action then.

That isn't necessarily an excuse or a cover. People I know who play Bolt Action are generally uncomfortable with swastikas, the folks with German armies stick to the straight cross. If I ran into someone who had plastered swastikas all over their force and was using historicity as an excuse I don't think I'd be comfortable taking that game.

C'mon guys, let's go back to the perfidious alb... people that make playing them quite the unfun time instead of delving into politics. There are off-topic subforums in Dakka, after all.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 warmaster21 wrote:

Karol wrote:
Someone has a fully painted nazi or communist style army. Only type of person I would never play.

Hope you never get into bolt action then.

That isn't necessarily an excuse or a cover. People I know who play Bolt Action are generally uncomfortable with swastikas, the folks with German armies stick to the straight cross. If I ran into someone who had plastered swastikas all over their force and was using historicity as an excuse I don't think I'd be comfortable taking that game.

Not many Nazi fighting vehicles or even units had Swastikas.

There are more reasons than I can count that I wouldn't play a game against a person.

Those same reasons are why I wouldn't spent time with the same person doing anything else. One of the joys of being an adult is deciding who you spend your time with (at least, off work!). If you're a crap human being, I'm not wasting that time with you.

I think we've covered the real world politics angle here now TBH.

Best we accept people's views and move on.

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Anyone who may be concealing wildlife about their person, once got horribly distracted by what appeared to be indepedent lady lump movement turned out was poorly albino hoglet in a pouch sling on its way to the vets

I have a couple pieces of an ork army that are set up as a joke communist army. An ork warboss on a bike named Che Guevorka, a bearded weirdboy named Karl Morks, Da Red Gobbo, a bunch of rebel grots, etc etc. The whole point of it is to be a joke about socialist orks, just like the GRC in Gorkamorka was.

If someone got offended by that I'd be rather puzzled given that's it's built off an actual canon part of the game and the whole point is to take the piss out of them, not to glorify the Soviet Union... but of course they're entitled to their opinion.

On the original topic, BO, cheaters, and people who apply one standard to themselves and a different standard to everyone else - i.e. the guy who asks you to let him take back a move when he realizes he made a mistake, you let them, then he doesn't let you do the same next turn.

Cheaters
Heavily proxied armies (unless it’s a test run)
Unbuilt or completely unpainted armies. Sorry, but a big chunk of 40k for me is the spectacle, and I take no joy from fielding an army I've spent hundreds of hours painting for someone to whack down a bunch of grey plastic that will never even see undercoat.

phillv85 wrote:
Cheaters
Heavily proxied armies (unless it’s a test run)
Unbuilt or completely unpainted armies. Sorry, but a big chunk of 40k for me is the spectacle, and I take no joy from fielding an army I've spent hundreds of hours painting for someone to whack down a bunch of grey plastic that will never even see undercoat.

Agreed on the first.

Agreed on the second.

Partial disagreement on the third-I don't care about painting, though I'd be irked if someone had a bunch of empty bases. But, to each their own.