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TheAvengingKnee wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
A leak that went out today evidently.

But tacs went up to 15 and scouts 14. No thanks.

Ahh found it. I interneted.


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Okay, definitely calling that Multimeltas will get the Melta bonus at full range.

That would actually be a really nice way to make multimeltas at least more relevant.

Single shot and they cost 20+ points each? That's relevant?

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
1. Don't buy GW's rules
2. Email their rules/FAQ team asking for improvements, or say you won't buy the rules until stuff is fixed
It's almost voting with your wallet. The more they lose on the codices, the harder they'll work to ensure it doesn't happen that often.

What part of that is mutually exclusive with pointing it out and complaining about it on DakkaDakka?

They're not, but I've pointed out the main problem (basically every Melta source is bad, not that these dudes are OP) and how to fix it multiple times. Even more sad is I've been pointing out the solution forever to stop these kinds of things from happening but apparently people need their plastic and paper crack WAY too much.

Evidently storm shield going to 4++ and +1 armor save. Makes melta a little better, I guess.

So, random optimistic predictions based on the points (if they are legit).

Genades can be used by everyone on the squad in combat. (price of Marines going up). Possibly thrown? (F YEAH!)

Heavy Bolter is getting more shots.

Grav Cannon nerf (it went down to 10!) 3 shots?

Whee, I prepare for wrongness!

Martel732 wrote:
Evidently storm shield going to 4++ and +1 armor save. Makes melta a little better, I guess.

Well, that's interesting if true.

 Insectum7 wrote:
So, random optimistic predictions based on the points (if they are legit).

Genades can be used by everyone on the squad in combat. (price of Marines going up). Possibly thrown? (F YEAH!)

Heavy Bolter is getting more shots.

Grav Cannon nerf (it went down to 10!) 3 shots?

Whee, I prepare for wrongness!

I'd be shocked if the Grav Cannon lost shots. Heavy Bolter is gonna stay 3 though because GW hasn't touched the thing in years. Literally years.

It also means that 1+ armor is a thing, and presumably doesn't work the way this forum insists it does.

Shooting a 1+/4+++ target with melta is a lot less soul crushing than a 2+/3++ target.

Good news - Eradicators are Heavy.

Did anyone think they wouldn't be?

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Good news - Eradicators are Heavy.

And that matters how?
Considering the tf got curbed might aswell replace them with These...

Martel732 wrote:
It also means that 1+ armor is a thing, and presumably doesn't work the way this forum insists it does.

Shooting a 1+/4+++ target with melta is a lot less soul crushing than a 2+/3++ target.

Can they go to 0+ armour in cover or similar?

Martel732 wrote:
It also means that 1+ armor is a thing, and presumably doesn't work the way this forum insists it does.

Shooting a 1+/4+++ target with melta is a lot less soul crushing than a 2+/3++ target.

If it did it would make terminators have a functional 2++. Which as much as I'd like for them to be more viable, pls no.
It might still have interactions if the model already has an innate as well.

I'm curious though

Martel732 wrote:
Did anyone think they wouldn't be?

There was always a chance since they are "melta guns". I wonder if we'll see a 48" heavy melta-meltarator in the future.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Did anyone think they wouldn't be?

There was always a chance since they are "melta guns". I wonder if we'll see a 48" heavy melta-meltarator in the future.

Like the ironhail stubber....

 Insectum7 wrote:
So, random optimistic predictions based on the points (if they are legit).

Genades can be used by everyone on the squad in combat. (price of Marines going up). Possibly thrown? (F YEAH!)

Heavy Bolter is getting more shots.

Grav Cannon nerf (it went down to 10!) 3 shots?

Whee, I prepare for wrongness!

Grenades are still 1 per unit for 9th according to the leak.

Looks like all weapon types function the same in 9th but the assault weapon rule is written better.

TheAvengingKnee wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
So, random optimistic predictions based on the points (if they are legit).

Genades can be used by everyone on the squad in combat. (price of Marines going up). Possibly thrown? (F YEAH!)

Heavy Bolter is getting more shots.

Grav Cannon nerf (it went down to 10!) 3 shots?

Whee, I prepare for wrongness!

Grenades are still 1 per unit for 9th according to the leak.

Well they either read it wrong or GW wrote it wrong, brcause my predictions are 100% accurate!

Vilehydra wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
It also means that 1+ armor is a thing, and presumably doesn't work the way this forum insists it does.

Shooting a 1+/4+++ target with melta is a lot less soul crushing than a 2+/3++ target.

If it did it would make terminators have a functional 2++. Which as much as I'd like for them to be more viable, pls no.
It might still have interactions if the model already has an innate as well.

I'm curious though

No, it doesn't. That chart or whatever people refer back to is not the RAI, and I'm sure it won't be like that in 9th.

A 1+ save gets reduced to 5+ by a -4 weapon. In this case, the invuln is 4++.

I feel like I'm the only one mad about how many zeros there are on the points list.

Also something has to be happening to the grav cannon.

Who knows maybe GW is going to be nice and lower the amount of shots for guns

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Nitro Zeus wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Once again, Fire Dragons have been chumps the whole edition and Multi-Melta has been a bad purchase on Land Speeders since the beginning of the edition as well. Eradicators did nothing to change this.

Exactly. Eradicators did nothing to change this. That's precisely the problem

"HERE IS NEW THING"
"but what about the old broken thing you could've spent your time fixing instead?"
"PSH WE DON'T MAKE MONEY ON THAT. BUY NEW THING."

Yeah, this.

I've already told all y'all how to solve that problem. It isn't my job to do it for you.

What was your recommendation again? I seem to have missed it in all the dying-on-hills.

He’s trying to say you shouldn’t be talking about it here in the thread dedicated to the topic, because fixing it isn’t something slayer is able to/willing to do. Instead, you should be emailing GW. This was what he said a few posts back. The way he talks like 40k general is his personal mailbox is just cringe.

No, I've simply pointed out that the unit in question was never the issue, especially when people keep complaining about their other Melta sources being terrible. You can't get GW to fix it unless you're willing to commit.

Also I'm cringe? You're one to talk especially when people have pointed out how bad your posts are LOL

Called out by one person besides yourself yourself, ever, and they themselves an utterly awful poster who was of course, in agreement with you.

Meanwhile someone brand new says it to you every single thread. And I do mean every single thread because you do the same thing in all of them. You’ve genuinely confused Dakka general chat with your own inbox, nobody made a single post in here needing your approval or expecting you to “fix this unit”. You gotta take a break man

TheAvengingKnee wrote:

Grenades are still 1 per unit for 9th according to the leak.

Now that I've read it, that's for the shooting phase.

All we need is a separate melee profile for certain grenades, and then a rule like -may only be used against MONSTERS and VEHICLES.

C'mon Gdub!

 Nitro Zeus wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Nitro Zeus wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Once again, Fire Dragons have been chumps the whole edition and Multi-Melta has been a bad purchase on Land Speeders since the beginning of the edition as well. Eradicators did nothing to change this.

Exactly. Eradicators did nothing to change this. That's precisely the problem

"HERE IS NEW THING"
"but what about the old broken thing you could've spent your time fixing instead?"
"PSH WE DON'T MAKE MONEY ON THAT. BUY NEW THING."

Yeah, this.

I've already told all y'all how to solve that problem. It isn't my job to do it for you.

What was your recommendation again? I seem to have missed it in all the dying-on-hills.

He’s trying to say you shouldn’t be talking about it here in the thread dedicated to the topic, because fixing it isn’t something slayer is able to/willing to do. Instead, you should be emailing GW. This was what he said a few posts back. The way he talks like 40k general is his personal mailbox is just cringe.

No, I've simply pointed out that the unit in question was never the issue, especially when people keep complaining about their other Melta sources being terrible. You can't get GW to fix it unless you're willing to commit.

Also I'm cringe? You're one to talk especially when people have pointed out how bad your posts are LOL

Called out by one person besides yourself yourself, ever, and they themselves an utterly awful poster who was of course, in agreement with you.

Meanwhile someone brand new says it to you every single thread. And I do mean every single thread because you do the same thing in all of them. You’ve genuinely confused Dakka general chat with your own inbox, nobody made a single post in here needing your approval or expecting you to “fix this unit”. You gotta take a break man

It was actually more than one poster, champ. Don't be upset that the new Melta unit isn't broken. Nothing personal about it. Anyway, you want the other units fixed, you know what you need to do. Hope you're up to the task, sport!

My next prediction for 9th is that "sport/champ" Slayer-Fan will continue to be crabby.

 Insectum7 wrote:
My next prediction for 9th is that "sport/champ" Slayer-Fan will continue to be crabby.

You're the ones claiming a unit is broken when in reality it's not. Not my fault Nitro is pissy about it. Nor is it my fault GW hasn't made Melta worth a damn for the whole edition.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
My next prediction for 9th is that "sport/champ" Slayer-Fan will continue to be crabby.

You're the ones claiming a unit is broken when in reality it's not. Not my fault Nitro is pissy about it. Nor is it my fault GW hasn't made Melta worth a damn for the whole edition.

These fuys are broken, you are at this point defending the indefensible in power creep they kill more than they cost in a single round of shooting that is not balanced or good for the game.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
My next prediction for 9th is that "sport/champ" Slayer-Fan will continue to be crabby.

You're the ones claiming a unit is broken when in reality it's not. Not my fault Nitro is pissy about it. Nor is it my fault GW hasn't made Melta worth a damn for the whole edition.

Dude, this is pathetic. The time to gracefully bow out was like three pages ago.

 Nitro Zeus wrote:
and they themselves an utterly awful poster

Right back at you, bud.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
My next prediction for 9th is that "sport/champ" Slayer-Fan will continue to be crabby.

You're the ones claiming a unit is broken when in reality it's not. Not my fault Nitro is pissy about it. Nor is it my fault GW hasn't made Melta worth a damn for the whole edition.

Never claimed they were broken from a game balance standpoint. Just obnoxious from a design balance one.

Ice_can wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
My next prediction for 9th is that "sport/champ" Slayer-Fan will continue to be crabby.

You're the ones claiming a unit is broken when in reality it's not. Not my fault Nitro is pissy about it. Nor is it my fault GW hasn't made Melta worth a damn for the whole edition.

These fuys are broken, you are at this point defending the indefensible in power creep they kill more than they cost in a single round of shooting that is not balanced or good for the game.

What power creep? Literally all the other Melta units had no power to begin with!


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 Insectum7 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
My next prediction for 9th is that "sport/champ" Slayer-Fan will continue to be crabby.

You're the ones claiming a unit is broken when in reality it's not. Not my fault Nitro is pissy about it. Nor is it my fault GW hasn't made Melta worth a damn for the whole edition.

Never claimed they were broken from a game balance standpoint. Just obnoxious from a design balance one.

Look at the rest of the posts here. I already know you have...issues with Primaris.

Other melta being sucky should have moved GW to fix the issues with melta, not make the only useful one Primaris only. And before you respond prompting me to pirate again, if what I'm seeing so far continues I will not be buying their moneygrab 9th edition. This is just plain bad design on so many levels.

I don't think they are broken, but they are large steps above any other unit with a like purpose and similar set up for a good point cost. So yeah, not broken, but they do show quite easily how crap those other units are.

I don't know if some people know what good design is but it isn't filled with no brainer best of choices, lots of which sit crammed in one book.

So are they broken as in they'll win games all on their own ? No. You could argue they are broken as they are power creep for sure and quite shamelessly so.They sacrifice nothing really to be best of similar choices in cost, durability and rate of fire.

Which adds to the over all great choices for Primaris while everyone else feels a bit old busted. No brainer choices are bad for game design and no one army should just feel like game units ++, which these and other Primaris units feel like.