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Sonavgun. I just checked out the dragons video, and (at least one of) the dragons comes with FIRE. As in, you can mount the dragon breathing fire and stuffs.

Myself, I think I'll take the FIRE and base it as a spell effect. I liked the spell effects by Reaper and WizKids, but found them on the expensive side. The dragons aren't cheap, but they come with free FIRE.

They said in the comments that some but not all of them have the fire option (depending on spare sprue space probably).

Good to know.

In one day, already made more than half of the funding as DL1, and half as many backers.
DL2: 260K on day one with 2K backers
DL1: 445K with 4K backers at end

5-dragon add-on for $90 puts the dragons at *less* than $20 each. $120 pledge has six dragons plus $20 SG's.

Looking at their site it seems the only way to get the tiles is KS, is the prior KS available anywhere?

They're advising people who just want first KS stuff to get it direct from their website in the KS comments so it should be available there

but it doesn't seem to be at the moment for some reason? I've asked in the comments

They just finished delivering the 1st Dungeons & Lasers, so that may be why ordering the first KS stuff isn't directly available at the moment.

They appear to do all their fulfillment through "late pledges" via Gamefound (that's how I got the Rampart stuff without being on the Kickstarter), so you may be able to order it direct in there (when available again).

Since it's come up in the comments several times

The Dragon of Schmargonrog is a licenced property so that's why it's more expensive and can only be taken as part of the Dragon Slayer pledge or as an add on (and not part of the Dragon's Lair bundle

Which, come to think of it, means that if you love the sculpt better get it now as there's no indication of how long the licence is for (this KS, a year, forever?)

Eh, I like it, but not enough to pay almost double than the rest. The looks and fluff are suspiciously like a KoW Jabberwockey tho.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
The Dragon of Schmargonrog is a licenced property so that's why it's more expensive and can only be taken as part of the Dragon Slayer pledge or as an add on (and not part of the Dragon's Lair bundle.

From the comments:

> I love that you have started cooperation with VLDL, Dragon of Schmargonrog is great, but are there plans to get some more characters from Epic NPC Man universe like Garlic Sealer or Bealin?

> Yes

Not familiar with Viva La Dirt League, so here's their FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/vivaladirtleague/?pageid=176270319137347&ftentidentifier=2973045369459814&padding=0

I late backed Dungeons and Lasers one, via Gamefound, which I heard about via Rampart, which I backed for real.

I made two orders each of two $99 sets which arrived promptly with all the stretch goals I would have got had I paid in in the campaign.

As I went back and doubled my order it should be no surprise that I highly recommend this product. Warlock tile system is pre-painted and good quality, but it arrived at just the wrong time, THIS is the product to support for your adventuring tile needs. Two thumbs up.

Why is this thread wide, neither page will wrap. Anyone else got that issue?

It's wide for me to, but so are most of them since the recent font changes

I wasn't in the last campaign but I backed both Rampart kickstarters, first one delivered perfectly, second one should be shipping soon.

I'm here for the dragons, will probably throw in the $20 for stretch goals from the previous campaign, small scatter like furniture is always nice to have.

I’m wondering if I should piggyback on someone else.’s pledge for the Xenodragon. Will these ever make it to local retailers?

I think it's unlikely to hit local retail (unless your retailer wants to deal direct),

but it should be available from their website afterwards, so the it's going to be a question of shipping, if you can find somebody local to you who's backing that seems the best move (as with the change in shipping costs to the USA recently you'd probably have to pay almost as much as the dragon to get it shipped from a UK/EU backer)

(even better if they the want several dragons and you can talk them into getting the 6 pack which makes them all cheaper)

Hmmm. I doubt I can fine anyone willing to get the six pack and then give up the coolest dragon in it. I suppose I will wait and see what the late backing options are like.

You can choose which 6 dragons to get in the pack (excluding the Schmarrr whatever one),

so you could both get the Xenodragon

Beasts of War has a good overview of the kit, including what it will look like painted "in a day".

At 5:51, you can see the sprue with the Legacy SG's add-on.

14:50 (or 24:20) has the painting tutorial. I'd probably just do grey primer then Secret Weapon Miniature's Stone wash.

40:23 shows wall details, such as candles, for the Warlock Room door tile.

I think I’ll pick up the Xeno dragon, but not much from this KS otherwise is something I need (got a couple metric tons of DF from years ago when it was affordable).

 ced1106 wrote:
Sonavgun. I just checked out the dragons video, and (at least one of) the dragons comes with FIRE. As in, you can mount the dragon breathing fire and stuffs.

Myself, I think I'll take the FIRE and base it as a spell effect. I liked the spell effects by Reaper and WizKids, but found them on the expensive side. The dragons aren't cheap, but they come with free FIRE.

If you want 'free' fire buy a Burning Chariot of Tzeentch, which is also in the current Getting Started Daemons of Tzeentch boxset. It has a flameburst for you to use on the model or leave off.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Burning-Chariot-of-Tzeentch

The campaign has a habit of updating the home page without telling us.

The "Functional Doors" graphic has been updated, and the renders look great! Six different designs.

Add-ons graphics updated. More add-ons and you can actually see the contents of the $20 Legacy SG.

Legacy SG add-on looks good if you want fantasy and sf terrain for your 3D and 2D boards. I'm seeing two fantasy stairs and a sf stair.

Current SG has two bridges, one a fantasy stone bridge, and the other sf TBA.

Anybody know if this is compatible with their Rampart terrain, guessing not?

 Illumini wrote:
Anybody know if this is compatible with their Rampart terrain, guessing not?

I don't think the walls are compatible in any meaningful way..

However, the plug holes are the same, so L&D wall ornaments will plug into Rampart. Nice for me as I have loads of Rampart but I'm only getting the Dragons here, and my SG will not go to waste.

Some backers are asking for clips, etc. to make D&L compatible with Rampart. If you haven't backed the KS, definitely write them through KS messaging a request for compatibility in a future KS.

I still can't quite see how you'd use Rampart and D&L together, since Rampart is basically freestanding walls, but I probably just overlooked something.

I'm picking up the Cursed Cathedral for ad hoc low-budget wargaming terrain. Not as good as Rampart, though.



Concept art from update : https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/dungeons-and-lasers-second-edition/posts/2946477

600k with 3 days to go, 1M stretch goal is an extra free dragon for everyone that will be a new sculpt, public vote between asian dragon or (dragon sized) cockatrice.

The stretch goals are absolutely insane on this one, we are getting whole room sets of furniture now. Keep in mind that additional stretch goal packs are just $20 for like a hundred different bitz (not even counting connector clips or multiples of the same wall plug) including whole staircases, statues, etc. and a goshdarn dalek.

ced1106 two posts above is editing to include the latest stuff, check it out

OTT (BoW) Heroquest build - takes 5 core sets (sort of they used over 50 new sample sprues)

For an idea of cost, a core set is valued at $40, obviously bigger pledges get discounts (EDIT: Actually if you just want to max out floors and walls you're better off just adding a bunch of the $40 sets, all the pledges have a big focus on themed rooms with significantly fewer components)

Archon really needs to do builds for Zombicide: Black Plague and Massive Darkness. One 3"x3" board space = one 2"x2" game tile.

HQ is a tough build because D&L follows the 2x2 game tile standard that Dwarven Forge originated. So if you use one 1x1 board space = one 1"x1" game tile, then you have a lot of modding to do.

If you see HQ DF builds, they use one 1x1 board space = one 2"x2" game tile. That's a lot of tiles, but DF owners usually own hundreds of DF tiles, anyway. In the spoiler, you can see how they made a 3x3 room with 3x3 game tiles.

Of course, while the video shows a HQ board, you don't play with the entire board, so you would, in theory, need fewer sets.

Some of us are asking for 1"x1" game tiles in D&L3, which would make odd-square rooms and corridors much easier to build.

You can sorta build 1" corridors and odd-inch rooms in D&L by inserting walls 90 degrees in the holes, but it's puzzly.

I'm also backing the Rampage game tiles, which do have 1" tiles, so don't need to be modded.

Counting down now - last 7 hours or so before its all over!

Currently at $844,000 so I'm guessing they won't make it to the $1Million stretch goal. Might get closer and could pull a surprise, but 7hours isn't that long.

That said they might do an early unlock of the stretch goal and hope to make up the difference in the pledge manager where they get all the money direct (no KS sum taken out).