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Martel732 wrote:

I've said more than once GW should have used the Nids to squat the BA, so the event was actually meaningful. As it stands, the invasion of Baal meant nothing. GK shouldn't exist outside daemonhunters if at all, DW plain just shouldn't exist, and SW have become a mockery of themselves.

You cant help yourself can you. "I dont like things, therefore nobody should even have a choice to play them".

This is precisely the kind of virulent stupidity that makes the hobby unwelcome to people. Cut it the feth out, or find yourself something else to play.

Sterling191 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

I've said more than once GW should have used the Nids to squat the BA, so the event was actually meaningful. As it stands, the invasion of Baal meant nothing. GK shouldn't exist outside daemonhunters if at all, DW plain just shouldn't exist, and SW have become a mockery of themselves.

You cant help yourself can you. "I dont like things, therefore nobody should even have a choice to play them".

This is precisely the kind of virulent stupidity that makes the hobby unwelcome to people. Cut it the feth out, or find yourself something else to play.

It's not stupidity. It's my view on how to progress the game in a meaningful way. Limiting choice is part of that progress. And yes, I'm very vocal about my view on DW, GK, and SW if my opponent has them.

Martel732 wrote:

It's not stupidity. It's my view on how to progress the game in a meaningful way. Limiting choice is part of that progress.

And now we're on to "I know how to run and develop the game better than anyone else". Do you actually read what you're writing?

Martel732 wrote:

And yes, I'm very vocal about my view on DW, GK, and SW if my opponent has them.

Admitting to being a raging gatekeeper is not the argument you think it is.

I'm no longer making an argument. Other than things you don't agree with aren't automatically stupidity.

Martel732 wrote:
And yes, I'm very vocal about my view on DW, GK, and SW if my opponent has them.

How socially awkward.

Martel732 wrote:
I'm no longer making an argument.

For once you're actually right. You're just harping about how you're better than everyone else around you, and nobody else has a say in what they can do in their hobby.

Martel732 wrote:
Other than things you don't agree with aren't automatically stupidity.

The fact that you think you have any right to dictate what other people can or cannot play speaks for itself.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
And yes, I'm very vocal about my view on DW, GK, and SW if my opponent has them.

How socially awkward.

At least no potential opponents have to deal with it right now - what a terrible attitude to take into a game.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
And yes, I'm very vocal about my view on DW, GK, and SW if my opponent has them.

How socially awkward.

At least no potential opponents have to deal with it right now - what a terrible attitude to take into a game.

Only as terrible as those factions are.


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 Void__Dragon wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
And yes, I'm very vocal about my view on DW, GK, and SW if my opponent has them.

How socially awkward.

Nah, I'm quite clear about it; not awkward. It's less awkward than pretending. Don't you think it's better to let someone know that I hate their army and hate playing against it rather than them thinking its personal?


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Sterling191 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I'm no longer making an argument.

For once you're actually right. You're just harping about how you're better than everyone else around you, and nobody else has a say in what they can do in their hobby.

Martel732 wrote:
Other than things you don't agree with aren't automatically stupidity.

The fact that you think you have any right to dictate what other people can or cannot play speaks for itself.

You seem overly triggered by a hypothetical that will never happen.

Martel732 wrote:

You seem overly triggered by a hypothetical that will never happen.

Yes, how dare I take issue with your sadistic fixation on destroying other people's fun because you think you somehow have the right to control everything in the 40k verse. I cant imagine why that kind of toxic harrasment would get me riled up.

Well this thread has broken down, when I started we just had A book, and no internet, everything was in it.

Enjoy the game, play your armies and have fun!

Sterling191 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

You seem overly triggered by a hypothetical that will never happen.

Yes, how dare I take issue with your sadistic fixation on destroying other people's fun because you think you somehow have the right to control everything in the 40k verse. I cant imagine why that kind of toxic harrasment would get me riled up.

Martel is a fool and such, but you bigging him up to some evil maniac makes you look like one as well.
He’s been very clear in the past that he doesn’t like all the different variants of same marine or +1 marines (depending on how the rules worked, this could be BA/SW, or just DW and GK).

You act as if the guy is game-Hitler when his opinion is just poor.

Considering he is a BA player and was for a squatting of his own faction i feel like he has a point...

Where's the supposed Stagnation and dark Times when chapter insta doubled in strength by primaris after the Galaxy got a new arsecrack?

Also it's not even halfed because heroics!

Not Online!!! wrote:
Considering he is a BA player and was for a squatting of his own faction i feel like he has a point...

Where's the supposed Stagnation and dark Times when chapter insta doubled in strength by primaris after the Galaxy got a new arsecrack?

Also it's not even halfed because heroics!

And then you must add in that his opinion is also weakened by how he refuses to adapt his army with the times. Or how he doesn’t do Overwatch.

Quite simply a problem as well is believing just because someone claims to play a faction means their opinion about said faction is knowledgeable and worthwhile.

I see so many “... and I play these guys, so I should know!” endings to replies that might contradict or seemingly misrepresent their own faction or show the speaker’s lack of knowledge on a particular issue.

 Apple Peel wrote:

Martel is a fool and such, but you bigging him up to some evil maniac makes you look like one as well.

I have no tolerance for anyone who tries to dictate how other people play. None. And I have no issue whatsoever wearing that label in this particular context.

 Apple Peel wrote:

He’s been very clear in the past that he doesn’t like all the different variants of same marine or +1 marines (depending on how the rules worked, this could be BA/SW, or just DW and GK).

There's a fundamental difference between not liking something (seriously, we've all got a laundry list of things we'd like to see altered about 40k), and actively advocating for imposing complete control over how other people play the game and interact with the hobby. Martel is firmly, publicly, and unrepentantly in the latter category.

 Apple Peel wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Considering he is a BA player and was for a squatting of his own faction i feel like he has a point...

Where's the supposed Stagnation and dark Times when chapter insta doubled in strength by primaris after the Galaxy got a new arsecrack?

Also it's not even halfed because heroics!

And then you must add in that his opinion is also weakened by how he refuses to adapt his army with the times. Or how he doesn’t do Overwatch.

Quite simply a problem as well is believing just because someone claims to play a faction means their opinion about said faction is knowledgeable and worthwhile.

I see so many “... and I play these guys, so I should know!” endings to replies that might contradict or seemingly misrepresent their own faction or show the speaker’s lack of knowledge on a particular issue.

Not bothering to roll Overwatch is actually done a lot.

Sterling191 wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Martel is a fool and such, but you bigging him up to some evil maniac makes you look like one as well.

I have no tolerance for anyone who tries to dictate how other people play. None. And I have no issue whatsoever wearing that label in this particular context.

 Apple Peel wrote:

He’s been very clear in the past that he doesn’t like all the different variants of same marine or +1 marines (depending on how the rules worked, this could be BA/SW, or just DW and GK).

There's a fundamental difference between not liking something (seriously, we've all got a laundry list of things we'd like to see altered about 40k), and actively advocating for imposing complete control over how other people play the game and interact with the hobby. Martel is firmly, publicly, and unrepentantly in the latter category.

Oh, how bold, a paladin of the people!
Oh, you make him antagonistically out to be a boogeyman and jump to dog him as quick-as-can.


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Just kiss him already.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
For people who are tired of listening to Martel you can hit the "ignore" button in the bottom right of any of his posts, and then you don't have to read them.

Unfortunately, you still do if people quote him...we don't have that technology yet!


With regards to why Space Wolves and Dark Angels get the C: Space Marines treatment 'because they're not codex adherent'?
They're just as codex adherent as the Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Black Templars are...but those three have been in C: SM for years!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
For people who are tired of listening to Martel you can hit the "ignore" button in the bottom right of any of his posts, and then you don't have to read them.

Unfortunately, you still do if people quote him...we don't have that technology yet!


With regards to why Space Wolves and Dark Angels get the C: Space Marines treatment 'because they're not codex adherent'?
They're just as codex adherent as the Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Black Templars are...but those three have been in C: SM for years!

If anything, Iron Hands are MUCH less compliant than any of them barring Templars

Martel732 wrote:


Nah, I'm quite clear about it; not awkward. It's less awkward than pretending. Don't you think it's better to let someone know that I hate their army and hate playing against it rather than them thinking its personal?

This dude admits that he is so upset at the very sight of those armies that his voice is quivering in anger and his eyes are starting to tear up so his opponent would know something's wrong, so he has to tell them how butthurt he is lest people think it's personal. And then wonders why I said that was socially awkward, lol!

 Void__Dragon wrote:

Martel732 wrote:


Nah, I'm quite clear about it; not awkward. It's less awkward than pretending. Don't you think it's better to let someone know that I hate their army and hate playing against it rather than them thinking its personal?

This dude admits that he is so upset at the very sight of those armies that his voice is quivering in anger and his eyes are starting to tear up so his opponent would know something's wrong, so he has to tell them how butthurt he is lest people think it's personal. And then wonders why I said that was socially awkward, lol!

Mm.
You’re doing it, too.

Martel732 wrote:
And yes, I'm very vocal about my view on DW, GK, and SW if my opponent has them.

Dear Athe! No wonder you have miserable time with this game! Generally I assume that people who are toxic on the internet can mostly behave like somewhat normal human beings in the real life, but apparently not.

Just don't feed the troll...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
For people who are tired of listening to Martel you can hit the "ignore" button in the bottom right of any of his posts, and then you don't have to read them.

Unfortunately, you still do if people quote him...we don't have that technology yet!


With regards to why Space Wolves and Dark Angels get the C: Space Marines treatment 'because they're not codex adherent'?
They're just as codex adherent as the Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Black Templars are...but those three have been in C: SM for years!

Black Templars are not codex adherent.

 Darnok wrote:
Just don't feed the troll...

Denyieng Debate by claiming trolling or Bad intent of the other Party is also not impressive...

Neither BA not SW dying would be out of place for 40k and would probably keep the Stagnation and cruelty of the universe better as a theme then them existing.

Depending on execution the death of sw by the Hands of the Inquisition as an extremely callous and dangerous Institution would be better then the grimderp rellied instead on to Make them Seen dangerous in the Background with them nuking planets left right and center.

And whilest he could've argued his point better , that doesn't Make it necessarily a Bad point or Moor now doesn't it?

Honestly, this is ridiculous.

GW wants me to buy they're slightly bigger bikes (even though i have bikes), slightly bigger more flying tanks (even though i already have tanks), slightly bigger marines (even though I already have marines).

Now, GW sits back and goes.... "well we cant get people to buy the new version of what they already have if what they already have is particularly unique and un-replacable... you know what,,,, lets just make the unique factions as generic as the others and then they ll want to buy this gak they already bought from us before..." -- generic capitalistic GW executive.

Honestly, this is stupid , I just finished building a SW army and now everything unique about them is moot. they making the armies uniform so we all buy the same gak they already sold us.

Why would I play helblasters when I can play long fangs,,, will no longer be a question... why would I play blood claws instead of assault primaris,,, dumb question now... Everything unique about space wolf units is just gonna be erased so we have no reason to stick to the unique units...

I guess no more wolf gaurd in our units... got to be codex compliant now. Nothing that makes this factions players feel like they didnt just spend $3000s on something unique and customized to them... honestly, I am so unmotivated to play the wolves i jsut finished the last year building and starting to paint... I hate primaris and I hate regular space marines from a lore perspecitve. Even though they havnt been as good I love playing the flavourful space wolf units. I didnt care that they were worse then primaris because I got to play out these unique stories and the mechanics represented the lore in a unique and different way... now,,, i got some generic space marines with wolf tales ...

I dont want chaplains, I dont want apothocaries, I dont want librarians, I dont want tactical marines, I dont want generic terminators, I dont want squades with no wolf gaurd, I dont non-melee dreadnaughts, I dont want primaris, I dont want assault marines, I don't want captains or lieutenants.

I just want the unique army with unique mechanics that I signed up for. Like I havnt said how stupid I think Primaris is until now. Its honestly GW selling us the same gak all over again but slightly bigger, how does no one else see this. And now, I can't even play the unique stuff i wanted to because they are pushing so hard to get me to buy this bs.

anyone want to buy 4000 pts of space wolves (sans any primaris but ragnar) contact me. I honestly am so disillusioned right now.

I honestly hate this. I wanted to play a unique faction, I didnt want to play space marines.

I quit when 6th edition came out because my chaos army was basically nerfed to gak so I would buy new models and now the same thing is happening from 8th to 9th,,, I honestly don't know why i bother with this company. I am so cheesed right now.

Could be worse ,could get squatted , but i feel partially for you and partially overreacting.,

We have no idea how much unique Stuff will be available and restrictions in the am dex without the supplements, safest bet is all that has a Modell will survive, is it gakky that you atleast have to buy 2 books now, absolutely so bitte with your wallet in this.

Otoh primaris are indeed just buy completely new second army because.

About ruddy time... The thing is they announced they will churn out more supplements so... it will just go back to how things are now post PA with rules scattered around 5 different books.


Not sure If I wont just stick to painting and modelling this year. I'm getting the rulebook but already it seems I need a new CA book and a bunch of FAQ's are needed so it seems like a poor investemnt already lol.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Could be worse ,could get squatted , but i feel partially for you and partially overreacting.,

We have no idea how much unique Stuff will be available and restrictions in the am dex without the supplements, safest bet is all that has a Modell will survive, is it gakky that you atleast have to buy 2 books now, absolutely so bitte with your wallet in this.

Otoh primaris are indeed just buy completely new second army because.

Space wolves, outside of vehicles and primaris, literally do not have a sing unit in common with regular SM at the current moment. Each unit has its own kit(or at least recently had one) and has a unique take/set of mechanics. Why would we have blood claws if we already have assault marines... why long fangs if devestators... or elite scouts if we have troop scouts ( because space wolf scouts arnt recruits). Sure it is vaguely possible a rule to allow a wolfgaurd leader in units may be included but it feels unlikely. What is the likelyhood that this supplement would give access to the unique squads ? to the unique wagerer options ? the unique mechanics ?
I really dont think the supplement is gonna repeat the variation units ,,, and thus the army becomes generic space marines.

Oh it will repeat because the kits exist and are produced by gw.
Think Off it as just another tax to play your wolves by beeing forced to buy 2 books atleast now

This argument has been going for 20 years.

I wrote one page summaries of the space wolves (my main army) that integrate with the core marine codex 15 years ago.

It's not hard to do.

Because in the end, the differences between even the space wolves and BT and normal marines are pretty small.

If you distill the differences to dot point modifications to existing units, you can easily see how similar they are.