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 Arbitrator wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
That's an (un)pleasant surprise they're showing that off so early.

What's predictions for the DG release?

We know there's the terrain, the daemon engine fella they previewed and currently no way to buy a lord of contagion or malignant plague caster. Seems a good chance to get rid of the finecast prince as well, so 4 characters and terrain maybe.

Given they're getting a daemon engine fella, might be a good chance to release a new engine or two to move them further away from csm as well.

Combat Patrol with the DG half of Dark Imperium.

That would be funny. Especially since it would cost $140, which is $20 less than what the entire boxset cost. They released the AOS starter models (and Shadow Spear) factions in Start Collecting sets, which would be more appropriate.

Three tennis balls, some bits and some mastic.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
That's an (un)pleasant surprise they're showing that off so early.

What's predictions for the DG release?

We know there's the terrain, the daemon engine fella they previewed and currently no way to buy a lord of contagion or malignant plague caster. Seems a good chance to get rid of the finecast prince as well, so 4 characters and terrain maybe.

Given they're getting a daemon engine fella, might be a good chance to release a new engine or two to move them further away from csm as well.

Combat Patrol with the DG half of Dark Imperium.

That would be funny. Especially since it would cost $140, which is $20 less than what the entire boxset cost. They released the AOS starter models (and Shadow Spear) factions in Start Collecting sets, which would be more appropriate.

This, combined with the sprue layout, makes me think we'll just see the characters released and a combat patrol of the existing kits.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

Combat Patrol with the DG half of Dark Imperium.

I think if there's a Combat Patrol coming, it's gonna be more than just the DG half. The Easy to Build versions of everything barring the Poxwalkers and Blight-Hauler got pulled too.

Just the Dark Imperium part would already be around 700 points no way they will put even more inside

I don't even think we will see DI with the Combat Patrol as that would be 200 points more than the 500 points needed for a combat patrol


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GaroRobe wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
That's an (un)pleasant surprise they're showing that off so early.

What's predictions for the DG release?

We know there's the terrain, the daemon engine fella they previewed and currently no way to buy a lord of contagion or malignant plague caster. Seems a good chance to get rid of the finecast prince as well, so 4 characters and terrain maybe.

Given they're getting a daemon engine fella, might be a good chance to release a new engine or two to move them further away from csm as well.

Combat Patrol with the DG half of Dark Imperium.

That would be funny. Especially since it would cost $140, which is $20 less than what the entire boxset cost. They released the AOS starter models (and Shadow Spear) factions in Start Collecting sets, which would be more appropriate.

Combat Patrols are replacing Start Collections so there won't be a DG SC

 Matrindur wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

Combat Patrol with the DG half of Dark Imperium.

I think if there's a Combat Patrol coming, it's gonna be more than just the DG half. The Easy to Build versions of everything barring the Poxwalkers and Blight-Hauler got pulled too.

Just the Dark Imperium part would already be around 700 points no way they will put even more inside

I don't even think we will see DI with the Combat Patrol as that would be 200 points more than the 500 points needed for a combat patrol

Might be they take out the Plaguedrone then, since the multi-part is visually almost identical.

I don't think they can take the Plague Drone out without removing the characters.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't think they can take the Plague Drone out without removing the characters.

Yep, the Drone shares the sprue with the Lord and five of the Plague Marines, so that's not gonna happen.

If the PL/points cost of Plague Marines goes up a bit, then they could just do it as the Nurgle half of Know No Fear, which is 5x Plague Marines, Lord, Drone and 10 Poxwalkers, which currently comes out at PL22. Or maybe that lot plus one additional character?


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That said, I could see them not doing it at all since, as others have mentioned, there's a fair bit of the DI Death Guard stuff still sloshing about on eBay, which would impact potential sales numbers. But then there's the question of what happens with the units that were excusive to those sprues.

I dunno. DI Death Guard stuff has shot up in price. You used to be able to buy the lord of contagion for under 10 dollars, now he's up in the 30-40 dollar range. Same with the DI plague marines. $50 for the five man squad from Know No Fear.

That would be funny. Especially since it would cost $140, which is $20 less than what the entire boxset cost. They released the AOS starter models (and Shadow Spear) factions in Start Collecting sets, which would be more appropriate.

The problem with putting the Dark Imperium half into a Combat Patrol box is that it would effectively be almost a 100% markup of the original value.

I think it's more likely we'll see the actual multipart kits in the Combat Patrol and we'll get multipart kits of the characters that are missing. The Japanese Malignant Plaguecaster could come as a blister kit and replace the DI one for example.

They've shown though with the Necron warriors and Primaris outriders that they aren't afraid to put a full price sticker on items that were (or in the case of those two examples, still are) available for double cheap in a previous box.

Anyone asked 'em on Facebook if this will also be a stealth one-and-done release before vanishing back into the Warp?

 GaroRobe wrote:
I dunno. DI Death Guard stuff has shot up in price. You used to be able to buy the lord of contagion for under 10 dollars, now he's up in the 30-40 dollar range. Same with the DI plague marines. $50 for the five man squad from Know No Fear.

Can't speak for the US, but I picked up the whole lot for around fifty quid on ebay about a fortnight ago. There are some chancers putting stuff up for pisstake prices, as has ever been the case with ebay, but there still seems to be a fair bit of reasonably-priced stuff knocking about over here. Of course that could all change once we see what happens with the DG Codex and what does or doesn't get released alongside.

Dudeface wrote:
That's an (un)pleasant surprise they're showing that off so early.

What's predictions for the DG release?

We know there's the terrain, the daemon engine fella they previewed and currently no way to buy a lord of contagion or malignant plague caster. Seems a good chance to get rid of the finecast prince as well, so 4 characters and terrain maybe.

Given they're getting a daemon engine fella, might be a good chance to release a new engine or two to move them further away from csm as well.

1. Was there a Daemon Engine previewed? They showed terrain that honestly I don't see does a lot for the army that wants to be close in.
2. I'm expecting still no Vet stats on Plague Marines, because Death Guard aren't allowed anything nice. That as well will help for the push towards all mech again.

I think he's referring to the Plague Marine with the crazy blight-spewer thing.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I think he's referring to the Plague Marine with the crazy blight-spewer thing.

Oh. My bad then.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I think he's referring to the Plague Marine with the crazy blight-spewer thing.

Yeah the new HQ guy from the previewed reel they had.

 GaroRobe wrote:
That would be funny. Especially since it would cost $140, which is $20 less than what the entire boxset cost. They released the AOS starter models (and Shadow Spear) factions in Start Collecting sets, which would be more appropriate.

Shadowspear SM half was gutted, though. I fully expect them to throw the vanguard captain back in, then relabel it as CP with price hike.

 Irbis wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
That would be funny. Especially since it would cost $140, which is $20 less than what the entire boxset cost. They released the AOS starter models (and Shadow Spear) factions in Start Collecting sets, which would be more appropriate.

Shadowspear SM half was gutted, though. I fully expect them to throw the vanguard captain back in, then relabel it as CP with price hike.

In shadowspears case they just designed it from the start to be able to take out what they took out

BrianDavion wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
That would be funny. Especially since it would cost $140, which is $20 less than what the entire boxset cost. They released the AOS starter models (and Shadow Spear) factions in Start Collecting sets, which would be more appropriate.

Shadowspear SM half was gutted, though. I fully expect them to throw the vanguard captain back in, then relabel it as CP with price hike.

In shadowspears case they just designed it from the start to be able to take out what they took out

Weren't di the armies sharing same sprues while shadowspear not? If so putting di on respective boxes would require doing whole new molds. Big difference

BrianDavion wrote:
In shadowspears case they just designed it from the start to be able to take out what they took out

Not really. Two SM characters on single sprues were taken out. Separate CSM guy was left in their SC. That was doubly dick move considering CSM side was larger to begin with, and if they wanted to cut something, they could one, not both.

Not really. Without the Master of Possession, the CSM half of Shadowspear had no HQ and they can't have a Start Collecting box without a HQ. The Vanguard Marine half included the Phobos Lieutenant model, so it was good to go.

 alextroy wrote:
Not really. Without the Master of Possession, the CSM half of Shadowspear had no HQ and they can't have a Start Collecting box without a HQ. The Vanguard Marine half included the Phobos Lieutenant model, so it was good to go.

Ork one doesn't have HQ so nope. Daemons of Slaanesh has no characters at all. DoK one also technically has none, though you can put one of included miniatures on separate base instead of party bus and count it as a HQ, and that's just first three that come to mind. The CSM champion guy is also fancy enough GW could have declared on the box it's an Exalted Champion and called it a day. No, let's not try to invent shabby excuses for GW and call it what it is - shafting of SM players because GW believes primaris miniatures are so far superior to old squatmarines that they will sell tons even without SC (and it looks like they are right in that) or bad value, cut one. Same reason why primaris waited 4 years for SC and then it was the first one to be killed and replaced with moneygrab patrol a few months later.

Orks includes a Painboy, which is only an Elite. But didn't he used to be an HQ back in the past when this box was released?

DOS includes the Exalted Seeker Chariot kit, which can be used to make a Herald on Exalted Seeker Chariot, an HQ. DOK includes the Blood Throne, also an HQ.

No White knighting going on here. Just pointing out the facts.

 Irbis wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Not really. Without the Master of Possession, the CSM half of Shadowspear had no HQ and they can't have a Start Collecting box without a HQ. The Vanguard Marine half included the Phobos Lieutenant model, so it was good to go.

Ork one doesn't have HQ so nope. Daemons of Slaanesh has no characters at all. DoK one also technically has none, though you can put one of included miniatures on separate base instead of party bus and count it as a HQ, and that's just first three that come to mind. The CSM champion guy is also fancy enough GW could have declared on the box it's an Exalted Champion and called it a day. No, let's not try to invent shabby excuses for GW and call it what it is - shafting of SM players because GW believes primaris miniatures are so far superior to old squatmarines that they will sell tons even without SC (and it looks like they are right in that) or bad value, cut one. Same reason why primaris waited 4 years for SC and then it was the first one to be killed and replaced with moneygrab patrol a few months later.

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when the Ork one was created IIRC the painboy was a HQ unit. Orks have needed a new SC since 8th as a result

 alextroy wrote:
Orks includes a Painboy, which is only an Elite. But didn't he used to be an HQ back in the past when this box was released?

DOS includes the Exalted Seeker Chariot kit, which can be used to make a Herald on Exalted Seeker Chariot, an HQ. DOK includes the Blood Throne, also an HQ.

No White knighting going on here. Just pointing out the facts.

Don't use facts, that's how folks get proven wrong!!

I have a feeling that they will just open up the csm tool box for DG in the new codex. Think about it if they allow access to everything in the CSM codex then you instantly have DG players rushing out to but Havocs and all the Deamon engines. They would basicaly release about 20 units for DG without spending a single penny.
Discolord every DG player would want atleast 1
Master of possession again every player would want 1
Havocs hell yeah
Oblitoraters yep
Dino engines would be useful

The only things nobody would want are basic marines and probably terminators as ours are better already

darthryan wrote:
I have a feeling that they will just open up the csm tool box for DG in the new codex. Think about it if they allow access to everything in the CSM codex then you instantly have DG players rushing out to but Havocs and all the Deamon engines. They would basicaly release about 20 units for DG without spending a single penny.
Discolord every DG player would want atleast 1
Master of possession again every player would want 1
Havocs hell yeah
Oblitoraters yep
Dino engines would be useful

The only things nobody would want are basic marines and probably terminators as ours are better already

If they wanted to do that I'd say would have gone the Codex + supplement way they did for Loyalists.
I mean personally I wouldn't mind, all the units I lost in 8th(Bikes, Raptors, Obliterators, Havocs, Rapiers) formed their own detachment and out of Blightkings I've already built a master of possession, axe guy, warpsmith and Greater Possessed.

darthryan wrote:
I have a feeling that they will just open up the csm tool box for DG in the new codex. Think about it if they allow access to everything in the CSM codex then you instantly have DG players rushing out to but Havocs and all the Deamon engines. They would basicaly release about 20 units for DG without spending a single penny.
Discolord every DG player would want atleast 1
Master of possession again every player would want 1
Havocs hell yeah
Oblitoraters yep
Dino engines would be useful

The only things nobody would want are basic marines and probably terminators as ours are better already

More likely they boost the rules for uniqe DG vehicles to make people buy them. Opening up for generic chaos would probably not be good for the sales of funky chunky engines.

They could do both

darthryan wrote:
They could do both

Then they'd make you into a supplement again though, which has to pay for 2 books instead of one.
GW wins again.