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Anyone talking about Death Guard getting a supplements has no clue what they are talking about.
The overlap between Space Wolves (afaik the largest supplement) and Codex: Space Marine is larger than what most codices contain in the first place.

Grey Knights have more in common with marines than Death Guard have with CSM.

Grey Knights didn't get a supplement and neither will Death Guard.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Yeah. Chaos get the friendly treatment again and only have to buy one book. Marine players are suckers that have to buy two

If you wanna be treated as a whale you gotta buy like a whale. Eat up.

 Jidmah wrote:
Grey Knights have more in common with marines than Death Guard have with CSM.

Disputed:

Servitors
Land Raider x3
Rhino
Razorback
Stormhawk/Raven/Talon
Total: 9

(There are arguable cases for other units, but each of those gains Psyker abilities, so isn't a match)

Plague Marines
Chaos Cultists
Plaguebearers
Helbrute
Possessed
Chaos Spawn
Chaos Land Raider
Defiler
Chaos Rhino
Chaos Predator
Total: 10

(There are several other datasheets not included, as they have equipment differences compared to the CSM versions - same principle as used when evaluating the Grey Knights)

Grey Knights didn't get a supplement and neither will Death Guard.

Agreed - though it'll be interesting to see how long the Knights wait for a shiny 9th ed 'dex.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Grey Knights have more in common with marines than Death Guard have with CSM.

Disputed:

Servitors
Land Raider x3
Rhino
Razorback
Stormhawk/Raven/Talon
Total: 9

(There are arguable cases for other units, but each of those gains Psyker abilities, so isn't a match)

Plague Marines
Chaos Cultists
Plaguebearers
Helbrute
Possessed
Chaos Spawn
Chaos Land Raider
Defiler
Chaos Rhino
Chaos Predator
Total: 10

(There are several other datasheets not included, as they have equipment differences compared to the CSM versions - same principle as used when evaluating the Grey Knights)

although when you look at proportions the story changes.

you also BTW forgot GK Libbies which IIRC as basicly just terminator Libby's aren't they? they use the same model at least

 Dysartes wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Grey Knights have more in common with marines than Death Guard have with CSM.

Disputed:

Servitors
Land Raider x3
Rhino
Razorback
Stormhawk/Raven/Talon
Total: 9

(There are arguable cases for other units, but each of those gains Psyker abilities, so isn't a match)

Plague Marines
Chaos Cultists
Plaguebearers
Helbrute
Possessed
Chaos Spawn
Chaos Land Raider
Defiler
Chaos Rhino
Chaos Predator
Total: 10

(There are several other datasheets not included, as they have equipment differences compared to the CSM versions - same principle as used when evaluating the Grey Knights)

Grey Knights didn't get a supplement and neither will Death Guard.

Agreed - though it'll be interesting to see how long the Knights wait for a shiny 9th ed 'dex.

You missed chaos lord and sorcerer as well.

I do feel DG deserve a separate book but I want to seem split further and made more divergent, rather than go back to being chaos space marines with an extra troops choice.

Plague Bearers aren't DG and I'm fairly sure GK have dreads.

BrianDavion wrote:
although when you look at proportions the story changes.

Not really - we see the following:

GK: 9/32 datasheets = 28.125%
DG: 10/33 datasheets = 30.3%

Still ever so slightly showing the DG ahead, assuming my count of the datasheets printed in each book is accurate.

BrianDavion wrote:
you also BTW forgot GK Libbies which IIRC as basicly just terminator Libby's aren't they? they use the same model at least

GK Librarians have different weapons to their Codex equivalents (including psyk-out grenades), so they're excluded for the same reason as the Chaos Lords, Sorcerors and Daemon Prince are for the Death Guard.

Dudeface wrote:
You missed chaos lord and sorcerer as well.

See above.

 Jidmah wrote:
Plague Bearers aren't DG and I'm fairly sure GK have dreads.

Both CSM and DG have Plaguebearers as an option within their Codex, correct? If so, then it's a unit overlap - I didn't think CSM got Nurglings, which is why they're not in the list.

And last I checked, SM dreadnoughts weren't psykers.

EDIT: There's always one missing tag, isn't there...

You are seriously considering the Chaos Daemons which are in the codex for summoning purposes only as Death Guard? Might as well consider every "Imperium" unit in the FW books as GK options then

 Jidmah wrote:
You are seriously considering the Chaos Daemons which are in the codex for summoning purposes only as Death Guard? Might as well consider every "Imperium" unit in the FW books as GK options then

They're present in both codices, but I think it can be agreed that the implementation of Daemons being plugged into a CSM army was done quite horribly and needs a rework.

It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.

 Mr Morden wrote:
It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.

No, first gw makes dexes to get people to start these and THEN folds them back into CSM because sunk cost now applies and they can then sell two books instead of one.

Atleast that is how it will end, inevitably when gw decides it has to curb the "bloat", never mind that they could've handled it perfectly well for chaos marines on 80 pages as they have allready once achieved.

It's too early to say what they're going to do with CSM, seeing as how they aren't anywhere on the roadmap just yet.

 Mr Morden wrote:
It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.

Not so sure, list of exclusions in space marine book for wolves:

Vanguard vets
Sternguard vets
Devastator
Apothecaries
Assault marines
Total: 5

To recreate the death guard exclusion list in spoilers to save space:

Total: 25

You could try and shoehorn blightlords and scarab occult profiles over the top of terminators but they're so divergent I can't see how.

Likewise a handful could be given back, but they're different enough to warrant a book.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.

No, first gw makes dexes to get people to start these and THEN folds them back into CSM because sunk cost now applies and they can then sell two books instead of one.

Atleast that is how it will end, inevitably when gw decides it has to curb the "bloat", never mind that they could've handled it perfectly well for chaos marines on 80 pages as they have allready once achieved.

And that 80 pages were the best csm ever had it.

Kanluwen wrote:It's too early to say what they're going to do with CSM, seeing as how they aren't anywhere on the roadmap just yet.

Which is aggravating. They could at least give us our second wound in a FAQ.

A couple guys in my club play Death Guard. I'm really looking forward to seeing the changes 9th edition brings that army, especially for crusade.

I'm most interested to see how they incorporate Psychic Awakening rules into the new book, as that'll be a good indicator for other armies which got psychic awakening rules, and are not Space Marines.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
You are seriously considering the Chaos Daemons which are in the codex for summoning purposes only as Death Guard? Might as well consider every "Imperium" unit in the FW books as GK options then

They're present in both codices, but I think it can be agreed that the implementation of Daemons being plugged into a CSM army was done quite horribly and needs a rework.

It's a strange day, Slayer, when we agree on something

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's too early to say what they're going to do with CSM, seeing as how they aren't anywhere on the roadmap just yet.

It'll be interesting to see if Saturday does anything with the roadmap - either by just revealing the two books for January - yes, I know one is almost certainly DA - or extending it to February or even March.

I'm also getting curious as to when any outstanding Necron or SM models will be being released - I figured we'd see some of the SM alongside each supplement, but so far we've only had the stuff that released with the Codex, haven't we?

 Dysartes wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
You are seriously considering the Chaos Daemons which are in the codex for summoning purposes only as Death Guard? Might as well consider every "Imperium" unit in the FW books as GK options then

They're present in both codices, but I think it can be agreed that the implementation of Daemons being plugged into a CSM army was done quite horribly and needs a rework.

It's a strange day, Slayer, when we agree on something

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's too early to say what they're going to do with CSM, seeing as how they aren't anywhere on the roadmap just yet.

It'll be interesting to see if Saturday does anything with the roadmap - either by just revealing the two books for January - yes, I know one is almost certainly DA - or extending it to February or even March.

I'm also getting curious as to when any outstanding Necron or SM models will be being released - I figured we'd see some of the SM alongside each supplement, but so far we've only had the stuff that released with the Codex, haven't we?

Technically, the Outriders solo box came alongside the supplements, so no. But... practically speaking, all the multipart kits (of which there are 6) and the Heavy Rifle Captain have yet to appear.
And the necrons are still waiting on 2 characters and a flayed one box, which could finish up the range on any random weekend.

I'd hope that Saturday will at least peel back the veil for January.

 Mr Morden wrote:
It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.

Well, we don’t know they aren’t doing that. Could be the big 4 get their own independent books, and Black Legion, Night Lords, Word Bearers, and Alpha Legion get the big book + supplement treatment.

I’m not saying that I think they will do that, but it’s not impossible.

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.

Not so sure, list of exclusions in space marine book for wolves:

Vanguard vets
Sternguard vets
Devastator
Apothecaries
Assault marines
Total: 5

To recreate the death guard exclusion list in spoilers to save space:

Spoiler:

Dark apostles
Lord of executions
Exalted champion
Master of possession
Warpsmith
Chaos marines
Chosen
Terminators
Greater possessed
Noise marines
Rubrics
Berzerkers
Mutilators
Raptor
Warp talon
Bikers
Vindicator
Maulerfiend
Forgefiend
Havocs
Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Heldrake
Lord of skulls
Noctolith crown

Total: 25

You could try and shoehorn blightlords and scarab occult profiles over the top of terminators but they're so divergent I can't see how.

Likewise a handful could be given back, but they're different enough to warrant a book.

IMO the following should be a Deathguard option with DG themed options - job done.

Quasistellar wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.

Well, we don’t know they aren’t doing that. Could be the big 4 get their own independent books, and Black Legion, Night Lords, Word Bearers, and Alpha Legion get the big book + supplement treatment.

I’m not saying that I think they will do that, but it’s not impossible.

Well it would not be the same as Marines - unless they are going for the DG are the same as GK which seems odd.

Not so sure, list of exclusions in space marine book for wolves:

Spoiler:

Vanguard vets
Sternguard vets
Devastator
Apothecaries
Assault marines
Total: 5

To recreate the death guard exclusion list in spoilers to save space:
Spoiler:

Dark apostles
Lord of executions
Exalted champion
Master of possession
Warpsmith
Chaos marines
Chosen
Terminators
Greater possessed
Noise marines
Rubrics
Berzerkers
Mutilators
Raptor
Warp talon
Bikers
Vindicator
Maulerfiend
Forgefiend
Havocs
Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Heldrake
Lord of skulls
Noctolith crown

Total: 25

You could try and shoehorn blightlords and scarab occult profiles over the top of terminators but they're so divergent I can't see how.

Likewise a handful could be given back, but they're different enough to warrant a book.

You missed tactical, you know, the basic SM troops. Also I'd point out that many of the items on your Death Guard exclusion list are akin to excluding SW from taking Dark Knights or Death Company (Noise Marines, Rubrics, Bezerkers). And many others are akin to Centurions and SM flyers, SW couldn't take them before, now they can (pretty much any demonengine). They wouldn't break DG by being added much like they didn't break SW by being added. But hey, you forge your narrative.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.

Not so sure, list of exclusions in space marine book for wolves:

Vanguard vets
Sternguard vets
Devastator
Apothecaries
Assault marines
Total: 5

To recreate the death guard exclusion list in spoilers to save space:

Spoiler:

Dark apostles
Lord of executions
Exalted champion
Master of possession
Warpsmith
Chaos marines
Chosen
Terminators
Greater possessed
Noise marines
Rubrics
Berzerkers
Mutilators
Raptor
Warp talon
Bikers
Vindicator
Maulerfiend
Forgefiend
Havocs
Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Heldrake
Lord of skulls
Noctolith crown

Total: 25

You could try and shoehorn blightlords and scarab occult profiles over the top of terminators but they're so divergent I can't see how.

Likewise a handful could be given back, but they're different enough to warrant a book.

IMO the following should be a Deathguard option with DG themed options - job done.

Spoiler:

Dark apostles
Lord of executions
Exalted champion
Master of possession
Warpsmith
Chaos marines
Chosen
Terminators
Greater possessed
Mutilators
Raptor
Warp talon
Bikers
Vindicator
Maulerfiend
Forgefiend
Havocs
Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Heldrake
Noctolith crown

Quasistellar wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.

Well, we don’t know they aren’t doing that. Could be the big 4 get their own independent books, and Black Legion, Night Lords, Word Bearers, and Alpha Legion get the big book + supplement treatment.

I’m not saying that I think they will do that, but it’s not impossible.

Well it would not be the same as Marines - unless they are going for the DG are the same as GK which seems odd.

Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.

To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Justyn wrote:

Not so sure, list of exclusions in space marine book for wolves:

Spoiler:

Vanguard vets
Sternguard vets
Devastator
Apothecaries
Assault marines
Total: 5

To recreate the death guard exclusion list in spoilers to save space:
Spoiler:

Dark apostles
Lord of executions
Exalted champion
Master of possession
Warpsmith
Chaos marines
Chosen
Terminators
Greater possessed
Noise marines
Rubrics
Berzerkers
Mutilators
Raptor
Warp talon
Bikers
Vindicator
Maulerfiend
Forgefiend
Havocs
Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Heldrake
Lord of skulls
Noctolith crown

Total: 25

You could try and shoehorn blightlords and scarab occult profiles over the top of terminators but they're so divergent I can't see how.

Likewise a handful could be given back, but they're different enough to warrant a book.

You missed tactical, you know, the basic SM troops. Also I'd point out that many of the items on your Death Guard exclusion list are akin to excluding SW from taking Dark Knights or Death Company (Noise Marines, Rubrics, Bezerkers). And many others are akin to Centurions and SM flyers, SW couldn't take them before, now they can (pretty much any demonengine). They wouldn't break DG by being added much like they didn't break SW by being added. But hey, you forge your narrative.

There's a massive leap between letting death guard use them (which is what they have now with cultists and chaos lords), because they don't get DR and an obliterator having DR and +1 toughness and mysteriously costing the same because its in the same core codex as everyone else's.

Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.

To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.

How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option

REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....

Also isn't one of the stupid elements of the current dexes is that certain generic Chaos units don;t get the relevant DG rules?

 Mr Morden wrote:

Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.

To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.

How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option

REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....

They didn't even do that inside the core Marine codex- Predator Destructor/Annihilator and Captain in Gravis Armor/Captain with Master-Crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle are both identical entries except one swapped weapon

 Mr Morden wrote:

Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.

To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.

How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option

REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....

You have to differentiate a profile for a mutilator to cover all god specific legions and the renegades etc.

If you give it meaningful rules for being in deathguard (+1 t & dr), it will need to cost more points, it also has a different stat line.

Then repeat this for Ec, WE and Tsons and rules that fit if it isn't in one of those legions.

Or, you write its DG points and profile, separately... in a DG codex.

Look at it this way. They didn't just say "use tacticals" to represent grey hunters and they don't even have a different stat line. Why is it then rational to give units with different stat lines all printed in 1 entry with 5/6 different base costs with 4-5 different wargear lists based on a supplement you may or may not have?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.

To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.

How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option

REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....

They didn't even do that inside the core Marine codex- Predator Destructor/Annihilator and Captain in Gravis Armor/Captain with Master-Crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle are both identical entries except one swapped weapon

Look at it this way. They didn't just say "use tacticals" to represent grey hunters and they don't even have a different stat line. Why is it then rational to give units with different stat lines all printed in 1 entry with 5/6 different base costs with 4-5 different wargear lists based on a supplement you may or may not have?

Like I said - opportunity missed - yet again.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.

To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.

How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option

REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....

They didn't even do that inside the core Marine codex- Predator Destructor/Annihilator and Captain in Gravis Armor/Captain with Master-Crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle are both identical entries except one swapped weapon

Look at it this way. They didn't just say "use tacticals" to represent grey hunters and they don't even have a different stat line. Why is it then rational to give units with different stat lines all printed in 1 entry with 5/6 different base costs with 4-5 different wargear lists based on a supplement you may or may not have?

Like I said - opportunity missed - yet again.

Well, I'm glad they missed it, anything that keeps the right volume of flavour without ott bloat is a win.

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.

To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.

How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option

REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....

You have to differentiate a profile for a mutilator to cover all god specific legions and the renegades etc.

If you give it meaningful rules for being in deathguard (+1 t & dr), it will need to cost more points, it also has a different stat line.

Then repeat this for Ec, WE and Tsons and rules that fit if it isn't in one of those legions.

Or, you write its DG points and profile, separately... in a DG codex.

Look at it this way. They didn't just say "use tacticals" to represent grey hunters and they don't even have a different stat line. Why is it then rational to give units with different stat lines all printed in 1 entry with 5/6 different base costs with 4-5 different wargear lists based on a supplement you may or may not have?

Well GW has clearly shown they don't think all Death Guard have a FNP equivalent. So there's no point in having a separate codex.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.

To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.

How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option

REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....

You have to differentiate a profile for a mutilator to cover all god specific legions and the renegades etc.

If you give it meaningful rules for being in deathguard (+1 t & dr), it will need to cost more points, it also has a different stat line.

Then repeat this for Ec, WE and Tsons and rules that fit if it isn't in one of those legions.

Or, you write its DG points and profile, separately... in a DG codex.

Look at it this way. They didn't just say "use tacticals" to represent grey hunters and they don't even have a different stat line. Why is it then rational to give units with different stat lines all printed in 1 entry with 5/6 different base costs with 4-5 different wargear lists based on a supplement you may or may not have?

Well GW has clearly shown they don't think all Death Guard have a FNP equivalent. So there's no point in having a separate codex.

Oddly all the dg players and fans want everything to have the fnp equivalent.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Spoiler:

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.

To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.

How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option

REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....

You have to differentiate a profile for a mutilator to cover all god specific legions and the renegades etc.

If you give it meaningful rules for being in deathguard (+1 t & dr), it will need to cost more points, it also has a different stat line.

Then repeat this for Ec, WE and Tsons and rules that fit if it isn't in one of those legions.

Or, you write its DG points and profile, separately... in a DG codex.

Look at it this way. They didn't just say "use tacticals" to represent grey hunters and they don't even have a different stat line. Why is it then rational to give units with different stat lines all printed in 1 entry with 5/6 different base costs with 4-5 different wargear lists based on a supplement you may or may not have?

Well GW has clearly shown they don't think all Death Guard have a FNP equivalent. So there's no point in having a separate codex.

All Death Guard units should have Disgustingly Resilient, and I bet they'll get it in the new codex. Everything not having it is just a relic of the poor design of early 8th edition codexes.

There's a massive leap between letting death guard use them (which is what they have now with cultists and chaos lords), because they don't get DR and an obliterator having DR and +1 toughness and mysteriously costing the same because its in the same core codex as everyone else's.

Which is why I didn't mention obliterators.

All Death Guard units should have Disgustingly Resilient, and I bet they'll get it in the new codex. Everything not having it is just a relic of the poor design of early 8th edition codexes.

I disagree. Vehicles should not. Death Guard Astartes infantry sure.

Oddly all the dg players and fans want everything to have the fnp equivalent.

Well why wouldn't they want all of their everything to have damage reduction. I mean I want everything I have to get fnp too. Guard, Mechanicum, you name it.