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 Dysartes wrote:
I'm a little concerned about how those whips in the Colour of Madness box will hold up, but the rest looks good.

A friend of mine is backing this, but I'm not currently planning to.

Hey man, what are friends for if not too mooch off their table top stuff?

After watching playthroughs, I have decided that I love the minis, but can live without the game itself. Maybe I`ll be able to buy them second hand after the game ships and someone will decide, that they don`t need the whole collection or have played the game enough.

Soo in 2-3 years time.

If I had cash to spare, I`d go full in just for the plastic.

I wonder how suitable those minis would be for a stylized game of Mordheim.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
After watching playthroughs, I have decided that I love the minis, but can live without the game itself. Maybe I`ll be able to buy them second hand after the game ships and someone will decide, that they don`t need the whole collection or have played the game enough.

Soo in 2-3 years time.

If I had cash to spare, I`d go full in just for the plastic.

I wonder how suitable those minis would be for a stylized game of Mordheim.

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Think these guys are a fair bit bigger in scale than mordheim stuff .

dalezzz wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
After watching playthroughs, I have decided that I love the minis, but can live without the game itself. Maybe I`ll be able to buy them second hand after the game ships and someone will decide, that they don`t need the whole collection or have played the game enough.

Soo in 2-3 years time.

If I had cash to spare, I`d go full in just for the plastic.

I wonder how suitable those minis would be for a stylized game of Mordheim.

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Think these guys are a fair bit bigger in scale than mordheim stuff .

Yup, not intending to mix and match with old hammer minis, more of a scenario type play using just DD plastics. More worried about the distance measuring aspect.
A bit daft to do that though, as there are so many Ifs and Whens, that I should worry about something else.

Less then 48hrs left to go on this campaign.

Alternate Templar Impaler sculpt unlocked along side the Fanatics pyre unlocked.


They've also upgraded some card tokens to actual crystals, which i think is something we'll see more of if the pledges keep rolling in.

Wow this campaign is hitting CMON levels of success. I had never heard of the video game and I don't want it, but it looks like quite an offering in terms of minis.

 frankelee wrote:
Wow this campaign is hitting CMON levels of success. I had never heard of the video game and I don't want it, but it looks like quite an offering in terms of minis.

Out of curosity I divided the total amount pledged by backers for an average $187 per backer.

 LordofHats wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
Wow this campaign is hitting CMON levels of success. I had never heard of the video game and I don't want it, but it looks like quite an offering in terms of minis.

Out of curosity I divided the total amount pledged by backers for an average $187 per backer.

I wonder how much that has gone up with the release of the release of the pledge manager?

https://gamefound.com/projects/mythic-games/darkest-dungeon-the-board-game#/

So my first kickstarter isn't working out >.>

There was an update today relating to the rising global shipping costs and Mythic asking backers to help subsidize the increase. I get it but honestly, after 2 years of waiting and now being asked to give more money for something that was paid for upfront, I think I'd rather just have my money back.

 LordofHats wrote:
So my first kickstarter isn't working out >.>

There was an update today relating to the rising global shipping costs and Mythic asking backers to help subsidize the increase. I get it but honestly, after 2 years of waiting and now being asked to give more money for something that was paid for upfront, I think I'd rather just have my money back.

I'm in the same boat. I put in my request for a refund a few hours ago, but given the incredibly tight window between "Pay our ransom or you don't get your product" and the 5-10 day automated response I received from Mythic regarding my refund, I think a lot of us are going to have to..."make a decision"...or get off the pot.

It's especially galling because there's really no guarantee about when or if you'll get your product even if you do pony up, given this last minute nonsense from Mythic. Who's to say that a year from now when Wave 2 is about to ship they don't come knocking on our door again for another handout to pay for their other unmet kickstarters, *ahem* sorry, I meant to pay for additional shipping costs.

I have some sympathies, the prices were realistic at the time, and consequent events cant be blamed on the developers.

However they have to offer us something in return for the extra costs.

Das_Ubermike wrote:
sorry, I meant to pay for additional shipping costs.

The stuff on the pledge manager right now includes having me pay shipping for products in Wave 2 too so it's like "you're not shipping it right now but you're asking me to pay for it anyway?"

I'm annoyed.

I want the game, but I'm not exactly eager to put more money into it. I get that no one in 2020 could have predicted how all this gak in the last 2 years would pan out, but the shipping costs they're asking us to pay is excess of the shipping costs backers have already paid.

My enthusiasm for the game in general has already diminished in the past 2 years. Even if I pay to get it I might just resell it to get back as much as I can (probably just going to do that, I can swing 46 dollars for shipping but at that point I'd rather get back as much money as I can). The whole experience has just kind of soured for me. Probably my first and last Kickstarter. This gak's just like crypto. There's no safety net or assurances from anyone that you won't get ripped off in the end.

That it's not the developer's fault doesn't make the pill any less sour.

The Mythic Ponzi Pyramid is starting its inevitable collapse. Years of poor project management, gak communication and agressivity from the like of Sam Healey to backers have damaged their reputation, as well as releasing more KS' whilst they're massively behind on existing projects is not good practice.
And now they're holding games hostage unless backers pay a "contribution"! That's Marc Goldner/Golden Bell Studios levels of shady right there.

How much more money are they asking for?

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Edit: the more worrying thing is them saying they'll store the games for 'as long as possible' if the contribution isn't paid

how long will a chinese manufacturer put up with all these games hanging around in the factory (even if they're paid something to store them they're going to be in the way)

Interesting. I will buy it once the game hit the stores.

grahamdbailey wrote:
The Mythic Ponzi Pyramid is starting its inevitable collapse. Years of poor project management, gak communication and agressivity from the like of Sam Healey to backers have damaged their reputation, as well as releasing more KS' whilst they're massively behind on existing projects is not good practice.
And now they're holding games hostage unless backers pay a "contribution"! That's Marc Goldner/Golden Bell Studios levels of shady right there.

Are they that bad? I've been with them for two kickstarters, the Time of Legendss ones and they were just fine. I mean they ended up giving some freebies in those, at least as far as cards and stuff go.

(It's a pity that I just happened to find the game not to my taste.)

Right seems that the shipping is not that unreasonable for the boxes etc Im not sure how much the ancestral pledge weights though since that shipping is expensive.

In 2 years it has become impossible to ship items overseas at average prices, the prices have gone crazy high.

I would be very worried with the "they'll store the games for 'as long as possible'".

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
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Edit: the more worrying thing is them saying they'll store the games for 'as long as possible' if the contribution isn't paid

how long will a chinese manufacturer put up with all these games hanging around in the factory (even if they're paid something to store them they're going to be in the way)

It's basically 'pay now or get nothing.'

Shipping prices aren't going down anytime soon. If the economy hits recession, do we even think a company in Mythic's position will survive? What then? Not paying now is basically throwing yourself on the sword of uncontrollable fate and they know it. If they were really absorbing the price increases before now, it means they can no longer afford to do it and as described above it does reek of Mythic basically becoming a sort of Kickstarter ponzi scheme, constantly funding the completion of past delayed projects with new ones which can't last forever. Every assurance in the update is so couched in carefully crafted language, I'm extremely suspicious of what happens to anyone who doesn't pony up now.

The actual cost isn't that much relatively, but for all we know they'll hit us up again for Wave II or just write the project off if people don't pay now then resell everything later to pocket extra profit. The whole thing is just shady as feth. They could have mentioned this in February when the pledge manager was still open and payments were being finalized before the project went into full production and people could have backed out of the risks (I would have, and I think they knew it). Instead, they waited till now after people already paid shipping and final costs not even six months ago.

> I would be very worried with the "they'll store the games for 'as long as possible'".

So didn't back Lasting Tales, eh?

That cluster has had the majority of Fantasy Series I backer miniatures stored at Quarter Master Logistics for over a year now (two years???). You keep hearing about shipping containers, but the "last mile" delivery is 1/2 the cost of shipping, and Black List Games is out of funds (they now have an investor, but they have to ship even earlier games out first) and the miniatures are still sitting there. BLG hasn't gotten to the point of asking backers for additional shipping funds (nor have they started selling their Lasting Tales solo/coop miniatures game PDFs).

I didn't back DD but did back Monsterpocalypse (now there's an expensive game to ship) and Anastyr (I'm a sucker for magnets). I have to add to my "successfully delivered a plasticrack game before" flag the "only back one project from a creator at a time" one. That said, I only buy the core and a few add-ons, never all-in, and spend as much or twice as much on retail. (Just dropped $100 for "free shipping" for the Stargrave / Sine Tempore miniatures bundle yesterday.)

Mythic said they might stop using KS, and I'm anecdotally seeing fewer plasticrack KS projects. CMON has a Dune 28mm KS campaign, similar to the War of the Ring game, but I'm not a Dune fan, so hopefully the only plasticrack KS I'll be backing is the Gloomhaven one. Wishful thinking, of course. Expectiing my Minature Market customer hold, Funagain games shipment, GameNerdz shipment, Dungeons and Lasers 3, and Amazon subscription this week.

My condolences to everybody getting burned.

I lucked out, no outstanding "made in China" kickstarters for me. I just got the last one, The Everrain by Grimlord Games, with a 2.5 year delay but no extra charges and they even maintained EU friendly shipping with no VAT.

The reception has been so bad that the pledge manager had to send out an email asking people reminding people that their beef is with Mythic. Good gravy.

https://gamefound.com/projects/mythic-games/darkest-dungeon-the-board-game/updates/4

Damn what a sucky move by mythic.

I ended up not getting in on this because at the time, I didn't have the money for it and I was quite disappointed. Now I feel like i've dodged a really large bullet.

"Today, the shipping costs to get these games to you are $3.1M, which is $1.4M more than the $1.7 million paid by backers."

Goddam. Well that's their entire profit gone up in smoke and the company staring down a huge loss. The entire bloody kickstarter only made $5.6 million.

Those shipping costs are vicious. Makes me wonder how much damage the shipping did to the Horus Heresy Age of Darkness boxset profits.

But then "Shortage of empty containers in asia" and "no warehouse room" might not be as big an issue for GW because they manufacture in the UK and have their own distribution.

Will be interesting to see if it is reflected in their financials when they are released next week.

The boxset might not be profitable like this DD box. But then GW might end up being the only miniature company left alive at the end of all this with these costs.

Really lost interest with Darkest Dungeon after strongly disliking what Redhook did with Darkest Dungeon 2 so I guess my sympathies for the company are kinda kaput.

Maybe GW will license out the 40k license to someone who can make a Darkest Dungeon 1 clone with a 40k skin for those us not into DD2

derpherp wrote:
The entire bloody kickstarter only made $5.6 million.

The pledges don't include the shipping costs. We paid shipping in addition to the pledges (so in total backers have paid 7.1 million to get the game) and the shipping was already looking steep. I've imported stuff from Europe for half what they charged me on this (before now). Apparently now the cost of getting the game to New Zealand or Japan is over $150 USD for the biggest pledge and that's something 33% of what was paid for the game itself.

derpherp wrote: But then GW might end up being the only miniature company left alive at the end of all this with these costs.

I think you're gonna see the rise of more companies like wargames atlantic, Archon, and the clumb of British companies who use Renedra (a british plastic mini manufacturer who are the guys who make the sprues for NorthStar and the Perrys, if I'm not mistaken) start to take the spotlight more than kickstarters that rely on chinese factories.

 LordofHats wrote:

derpherp wrote:
The entire bloody kickstarter only made $5.6 million.

The pledges don't include the shipping costs. We paid shipping in addition to the pledges (so in total backers have paid 7.1 million to get the game) and the shipping was already looking steep. I've imported stuff from Europe for half what they charged me on this (before now). Apparently now the cost of getting the game to New Zealand or Japan is over $150 USD for the biggest pledge and that's something 33% of what was paid for the game itself.

Thats a lot of money. Not familiar with shipping to those areas so cant say if its reasonable or not. What I can say is that I stopped ordering from the US since shipping is at the moment at ridiculous levels and thats not even thinking if it hits customs...
Kickstarters these days either deliver really quickly, same year or so, or risk having this huge dent on their credibility and delivery.

A shame really.

I don't think you can lay too much blame at Mythic's door. Shipping prices really are much higher than they were when they ran the campaign.

On KS there is no promise of delivery. You take a risk and they take a risk. Mythic can't just create money out of thin air. Asking for more money is the responsibile thing to do, rather than using money from newer Kickstarters to cover the cost.

Just to throw some gas into the fire here's a post today from Fred Henry (owner of Monolith) about Monolith's current shipping situation which I'm certain was posted because of this Mythic issue.

Well... I've been receiving a flood of PMs from Monolith pledgers worried about the consequences of the transport crisis on their pending pledges. So I will answer very factually to everyone at the same time. And to be totally factual I am attaching here the official quote from my carrier.

For 9 months now, the price of containers has only gone down. Last October we were paying $21,000 for a 40 foot container (67 m3); in March we were paying $16,000; in June $12,000. Now the price is around $11,000. But let's say it's 12 000$ since it's the official document I have at hand.

So, to bring a 40 feet container from the factory to the European port costs us 12 000$. Then, to clear this container and have it shipped by truck to the hub (Meeple logistics) costs us $1,900 more (€/$ parity = 1). So, the trip from the factory to the hub costs $13,900 (more like 13k actually). In 2019, for this same trip we were charged $4,900, a difference of $9,000.

In this 40 foot container, we put 3100 Boxes the size of the big Claustrophobia box. So, for the trip from the factory to the hub, that represents, for a box the size of Monolith's Claustrophobia, an extra ... 2,90€ !!!

So, Monolith pledgers can be reassured, we will not ask you for any extra money, and we will just take it from our margin.
Fred Henry

So Monolith says 12k and Mythic cays 3 million, hmmmmm