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2020/08/11 00:31:17
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
With the most recent FAQ Ork Warbosses have lost the ability to ride bikes.
A stat-sheet that has a currently sold model just no longer exists, and not even in "legends" either.
While this isn't the first time a sold model no longer has rules, it is the first time since the "New Age of GW" and sets precedence for other models to be nonfunctional on the tabletop.
Corsairs? They never existed.
Ynnari? Ynno
Kroot? No one bought them anyway
Vespids? Last time I saw them was in dawn of war
Land Speeders? Snapped.
The frankly insulting part was the Warboss on Bike has rules in the most recent codex, had point changes in the latest CA but no longer exists because of an FAQ.
Meanwhile a certain army is getting Chaplains on Bikes.
2020/08/11 00:44:28
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
FIrst the warboss forgot how to wear mega armor, then forgot how to ride a bike, next its going to forget how to hold its choppa, forget how to shoot, and lastly the warboss will forget it even exists...
not to mention our DE overlords forgot how to ride jet bikes, hover boards, etc etc. soon the eldar will forget how to ride jetbikes as well.
"only space marines get to have all the toys" -some gw exec, probably
EDIT
sadly gw has already had precedent for things like this, taking jump packs away from people but marines get to keep theirs on hq's. weapon options, etc etc. i dont think gw will stop until eventually 40k is just horus heresy all over again, nothing but marines with worse technology.
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2020/08/11 00:51:31
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
It's not even saying it's forever gone, just temporarily out of stock.
It's incredibly annoying that not only does GW have to keep giving excessive (and powerful) options to SM, but they have to actively kick down and take away options from other factions because Gork forbid that anyone remotely challenges the SM's dominance. It only serves to alienate the fanbase and give the unspoken message that GW don't give a fart about anyone except their cash cow.
2020/08/11 00:55:29
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
His bike was needed to melt down for scrap to make the new Primaris bikers. Sorry. But really, it's your own fault for playing a NPC faction. I mean, what did you expect?
2020/08/11 00:58:01
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
yukishiro1 wrote: His bike was needed to melt down for scrap to make the new Primaris bikers. Sorry. But really, it's your own fault for playing a NPC faction. I mean, what did you expect?
The sad thing is, I don't really care of SM get stuff.
It's just a ball buster when other armies are LOSING options they love while marines get a new model every other week (it feels like...)
2020/08/11 01:00:21
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
If you want to play a bike army with characters, GW would like you to know that there is a very appealing range of miniatures that can help you do that. They're called Space Marines. Check it out on games-workshop.com to get yours today!
2020/08/11 01:01:37
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
yukishiro1 wrote: His bike was needed to melt down for scrap to make the new Primaris bikers. Sorry. But really, it's your own fault for playing a NPC faction. I mean, what did you expect?
The sad thing is, I don't really care of SM get stuff.
It's just a ball buster when other armies are LOSING options they love while marines get a new model every other week (it feels like...)
I only care that SM get stuff because it clogs up the release pipeline for armies that desperately need redone or new models. It took them over a decade to finally give plastic Howling Banshees for Eldar. There's still a bunch of other aspects to go. Orks still don't have an official plastic model for the KFF Big Mek. Meanwhile SM get like 5 Primaris Lieutenant variants every year and a new SM Captain in some new armour.
2020/08/11 01:02:18
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
The Warboss on Bike's points got removed in the FAQ of the new points. This has nothing to do with codex vs forgeworld, all the points for both are in the same document, from which the Warboss on Warbike just got squatted.
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2020/08/11 01:26:39
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
Eonfuzz wrote: With the most recent FAQ Ork Warbosses have lost the ability to ride bikes.
A stat-sheet that has a currently sold model just no longer exists, and not even in "legends" either.
While this isn't the first time a sold model no longer has rules, it is the first time since the "New Age of GW" and sets precedence for other models to be nonfunctional on the tabletop.
Corsairs? They never existed.
Ynnari? Ynno
Kroot? No one bought them anyway
Vespids? Last time I saw them was in dawn of war
Land Speeders? Snapped.
The frankly insulting part was the Warboss on Bike has rules in the most recent codex, had point changes in the latest CA but no longer exists because of an FAQ.
Meanwhile a certain army is getting Chaplains on Bikes.
Corsairs had 12 kits at one point in time. And Ynnari has all 3 of their models the other models are just the same units with a different trait like IH compare to IF.
And the Warboss on bike has no model, there is a FW named character but otherwise it was all kitbash. Sadly I hate that GW is doing that, but it is inline with other units that never had a model before.
What is the most odd to me is Honor guard has models and is still being sold but yet they are Legends.
Eonfuzz wrote: With the most recent FAQ Ork Warbosses have lost the ability to ride bikes.
A stat-sheet that has a currently sold model just no longer exists, and not even in "legends" either.
While this isn't the first time a sold model no longer has rules, it is the first time since the "New Age of GW" and sets precedence for other models to be nonfunctional on the tabletop.
Corsairs? They never existed.
Ynnari? Ynno
Kroot? No one bought them anyway
Vespids? Last time I saw them was in dawn of war
Land Speeders? Snapped.
The frankly insulting part was the Warboss on Bike has rules in the most recent codex, had point changes in the latest CA but no longer exists because of an FAQ.
Meanwhile a certain army is getting Chaplains on Bikes.
Corsairs had 12 kits at one point in time. And Ynnari has all 3 of their models the other models are just the same units with a different trait like IH compare to IF.
And the Warboss on bike has no model, there is a FW named character but otherwise it was all kitbash. Sadly I hate that GW is doing that, but it is inline with other units that never had a model before.
What is the most odd to me is Honor guard has models and is still being sold but yet they are Legends.
Eonfuzz wrote: With the most recent FAQ Ork Warbosses have lost the ability to ride bikes.
A stat-sheet that has a currently sold model just no longer exists, and not even in "legends" either.
While this isn't the first time a sold model no longer has rules, it is the first time since the "New Age of GW" and sets precedence for other models to be nonfunctional on the tabletop.
Corsairs? They never existed.
Ynnari? Ynno
Kroot? No one bought them anyway
Vespids? Last time I saw them was in dawn of war
Land Speeders? Snapped.
The frankly insulting part was the Warboss on Bike has rules in the most recent codex, had point changes in the latest CA but no longer exists because of an FAQ.
Meanwhile a certain army is getting Chaplains on Bikes.
Corsairs had 12 kits at one point in time. And Ynnari has all 3 of their models the other models are just the same units with a different trait like IH compare to IF.
And the Warboss on bike has no model, there is a FW named character but otherwise it was all kitbash. Sadly I hate that GW is doing that, but it is inline with other units that never had a model before.
What is the most odd to me is Honor guard has models and is still being sold but yet they are Legends.
Yes, and it's a killer model. I'd hate to see it go away from the table just to make way for those primaris.....things that gw has decided to give the BIKE keyword, despite not being bikes. Sometimes I think gw is biased against good looking models. Or at least the main studio is jealous of what fw sometimes achieves.
2020/08/11 02:51:01
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
Biker HQs have always been my favorite, regardless of faction, and I hate to see them go
But alas this isn't the first time it's happened. I remember taking a DE Archon on jetbike in the old days, but when the 5th ed Codex dropped, no more jetbike. What was even more annoying is that the 7th ed Codex had a 2 page layout about an Archon who rose from a skilled Reaver and whose need for speed was unquenchable. Yet as soon as he became an Archon, he must have put his bike in the garage for good.
Just out of curiosity, in terms of "currently sold model with no datasheet", does this set much more of a precedent than not updating the entire Corsair book and all the 30k Mechanicum stuff at the start of 8e?
AnomanderRake wrote: Just out of curiosity, in terms of "currently sold model with no datasheet", does this set much more of a precedent than not updating the entire Corsair book and all the 30k Mechanicum stuff at the start of 8e?
Considering it's in the last codex, yeah.
2020/08/11 03:39:07
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
Galef wrote: Biker HQs have always been my favorite, regardless of faction, and I hate to see them go
But alas this isn't the first time it's happened. I remember taking a DE Archon on jetbike in the old days, but when the 5th ed Codex dropped, no more jetbike. What was even more annoying is that the 7th ed Codex had a 2 page layout about an Archon who rose from a skilled Reaver and whose need for speed was unquenchable. Yet as soon as he became an Archon, he must have put his bike in the garage for good.
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The Codex also mentions the Archon of the Dark Moon has wings, yet we can't have those either. Fluff from their own books apparently means nothing when it comes to rules.
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2020/08/11 03:57:05
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
Galef wrote: Biker HQs have always been my favorite, regardless of faction, and I hate to see them go
But alas this isn't the first time it's happened. I remember taking a DE Archon on jetbike in the old days, but when the 5th ed Codex dropped, no more jetbike. What was even more annoying is that the 7th ed Codex had a 2 page layout about an Archon who rose from a skilled Reaver and whose need for speed was unquenchable. Yet as soon as he became an Archon, he must have put his bike in the garage for good.
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The Codex also mentions the Archon of the Dark Moon has wings, yet we can't have those either. Fluff from their own books apparently means nothing when it comes to rules.
Do you expect every thing mentioned somewhere in a codex, book or article to get rules? There is only so much design space, and as I've said before you guys need to chill out. We're a month into a new edition with no codexes, the collapse of multiple governmental systems, a pandemic, and trade fights with the one country that supplies most of the world with things. We have literally seen new models in the pipe line for all of the armies mentioned here and once things even out (hopefully soon) you'll get releases. Besides, it's not as if we can even play the damned game at the moment anyways. Chill, out.
2020/08/11 04:05:43
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
Togusa wrote: Do you expect every thing mentioned somewhere in a codex, book or article to get rules? There is only so much design space, and as I've said before you guys need to chill out. We're a month into a new edition with no codexes, the collapse of multiple governmental systems, a pandemic, and trade fights with the one country that supplies most of the world with things. We have literally seen new models in the pipe line for all of the armies mentioned here and once things even out (hopefully soon) you'll get releases. Besides, it's not as if we can even play the damned game at the moment anyways. Chill, out.
They're actively taking things away from factions that aren't their chosen standard bearers, though, so it's not just the supply chain situation.
2020/08/11 04:09:19
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
Eonfuzz wrote: Yeah sorry, my fault for expecting a $150+ purchase would be relevant for more than a few months. My bad.
Yeah, GWs tendency to keep everything super secret until the last moment has caused some pretty crappy moments like that. Once or twice I've bought a codex only to find the new one being released a few weeks later.
2020/08/11 04:14:32
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
Oh of course. It lets them get those last few sales on something before tossing them. It's hardly a nice business practice but it makes sense from their point of view. The alternative is to cut production much, much earlier ahead of time and let the stocks run out months, possibly even a year before the new stock is brought in. Which would also lead to some grumpy customers and possibly more unsold stock.
2020/08/11 05:07:35
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
Galef wrote: Biker HQs have always been my favorite, regardless of faction, and I hate to see them go
But alas this isn't the first time it's happened. I remember taking a DE Archon on jetbike in the old days, but when the 5th ed Codex dropped, no more jetbike. What was even more annoying is that the 7th ed Codex had a 2 page layout about an Archon who rose from a skilled Reaver and whose need for speed was unquenchable. Yet as soon as he became an Archon, he must have put his bike in the garage for good.
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The Codex also mentions the Archon of the Dark Moon has wings, yet we can't have those either. Fluff from their own books apparently means nothing when it comes to rules.
Do you expect every thing mentioned somewhere in a codex, book or article to get rules? There is only so much design space, and as I've said before you guys need to chill out. We're a month into a new edition with no codexes, the collapse of multiple governmental systems, a pandemic, and trade fights with the one country that supplies most of the world with things. We have literally seen new models in the pipe line for all of the armies mentioned here and once things even out (hopefully soon) you'll get releases. Besides, it's not as if we can even play the damned game at the moment anyways. Chill, out.
have you seem how many different primaris LIEUTENANTS GW have made, just by themselves? There are at least 12 separate, new, plastic models for a single unit entry in the marine codex. Although some have actual names, I don't think those names translate to unique character profiles (they all use the same generic lieutenant entry(s)),
For comparison, non named character models in the 3 eldar armies combined equals 11: 3 DE, 7 CWE, 1 Harlie based on GW's webstore (and the fact that the warlock skyrunner and the farseer are the same box).
that's one HQ unit from the space marine book, which has a ridiculous number of HQ entries, having more examples to purchase than the HQ offerings of 3 entire armies.
So I don't really think it's a problem of design space at all....
Has anyone considered that it might show up in the Forge World index/codex/whatever book that is (supposedly, I'll believe it when I see it) coming out?
Because honestly it's more surprising that GW even included it in the mainline Ork codex in the first place given their seeming dislike of including anything Forge World in their main products.
2020/08/11 05:20:52
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
Togusa wrote: Do you expect every thing mentioned somewhere in a codex, book or article to get rules? There is only so much design space, and as I've said before you guys need to chill out. We're a month into a new edition with no codexes, the collapse of multiple governmental systems, a pandemic, and trade fights with the one country that supplies most of the world with things. We have literally seen new models in the pipe line for all of the armies mentioned here and once things even out (hopefully soon) you'll get releases. Besides, it's not as if we can even play the damned game at the moment anyways. Chill, out.
They're actively taking things away from factions that aren't their chosen standard bearers, though, so it's not just the supply chain situation.
you act like Marines didn't lose a ton of biker HQs eaither. grow the feth up, and stop acting like Xenos are the only people who lose stuff to legends.
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2020/08/11 05:30:15
Subject: The loss of the Ork Biker Warboss sets a dangerous precedent
Togusa wrote: Do you expect every thing mentioned somewhere in a codex, book or article to get rules? There is only so much design space, and as I've said before you guys need to chill out. We're a month into a new edition with no codexes, the collapse of multiple governmental systems, a pandemic, and trade fights with the one country that supplies most of the world with things. We have literally seen new models in the pipe line for all of the armies mentioned here and once things even out (hopefully soon) you'll get releases. Besides, it's not as if we can even play the damned game at the moment anyways. Chill, out.
They're actively taking things away from factions that aren't their chosen standard bearers, though, so it's not just the supply chain situation.
you act like Marines didn't lose a ton of biker HQs eaither. grow the feth up, and stop acting like Xenos are the only people who lose stuff to legends.
GW forcing the steady replacement of old marines does not invalidate the loss of lore rich units and loadout options from other factions. They are all symptoms of GW's pants on head response to chapter house and their relentless profiteering at the expense of the community. People lash out at marine players because they get showered by releases but they often don't see the damage that GW's changes have to people who value previously existing units/options. Not everyone wants to just hoover up every release GW shovels out.
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