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 Darkmatter wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
There are a lot more datasheets out in the open, don't rely on dakka for news.

The two daemon princes, MBH, Typhus, deathshroud and the plague surgeon all look decent.

Do you have a link to these by chance?

I just stumbled across a compilation of all DG sheets, enjoy:

https://imgur.com/a/YWxY2gA

 Jidmah wrote:

 Darkmatter wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
There are a lot more datasheets out in the open, don't rely on dakka for news.

The two daemon princes, MBH, Typhus, deathshroud and the plague surgeon all look decent.

Do you have a link to these by chance?

I just stumbled across a compilation of all DG sheets, enjoy:

https://imgur.com/a/YWxY2gA

I haven't seen the actual battlereports, but going from the leaked datasheets - maybe the Icon bearer received its own datasheet that we just haven't seen, yet?
Did they use Plague Marines with icons (that would have to be just a unitfiller) in one of these?

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Darkmatter wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
There are a lot more datasheets out in the open, don't rely on dakka for news.

The two daemon princes, MBH, Typhus, deathshroud and the plague surgeon all look decent.

Do you have a link to these by chance?

I just stumbled across a compilation of all DG sheets, enjoy:

https://imgur.com/a/YWxY2gA

I haven't seen the actual battlereports, but going from the leaked datasheets - maybe the Icon bearer received its own datasheet that we just haven't seen, yet?
Did they use Plague Marines with icons (that would have to be just a unitfiller) in one of these?

No they did not. As of right now most are hoping since you can buy the guy seperatly that he is a stand alone leader type.




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So it looks like blighthualers are our best anti tank unit. How many does it take to drop a knight? Anybody know/ can run the numbers?

If we do the same figures for MBH vs LR assuming they are over 12" away from each other in the first few turns.

9th ed MBH (just krak/melta) did 2.5 wounds to the LR. 10th ed MBH does 2.5 wounds to the LR.

9th ed LR (just las/heavy bolter) did 3.6 wounds to the MBH. 10th ed LR does 6.7 wounds to the MBH.

MBH was down to 110 by the end of the edition to a LR's 245.

Hmm that dosent look great. We don't know blight hauler cost but death guard should be far, far from a horde army.

Though judging from the exhibition points looked virtually the same as they did in 9th.

Well at least we should have access to land Raiders hopefully they are good.

Also, I was trying to wrap my head around Daemon Princes and they are now more like Grey Knight Grand Master Nemesis Dread Knights in 10th.

Both 2+/4++, but the GMNDK is T8 to the DP T11 but the DP is W10 to the GMNDK W13 (but degrades).

So 10th ed DP (ranged and then melee) into a GMNDK is 5.4 wounds while a GMNDK (psilencer/psycannon/sword) is 7 wounds (or 3.7 wounds for the 2nd GMNDK into a 2nd DP).

The flying DP does 6.6 wounds but a GMNDK now does 9.5 (or 5.4).

Given the GMNDK has more ranged attacks I feel like both types of DP should be coming in at less than one of them armed with psilencer/psycannon/sword.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Darkmatter wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
There are a lot more datasheets out in the open, don't rely on dakka for news.

The two daemon princes, MBH, Typhus, deathshroud and the plague surgeon all look decent.

Do you have a link to these by chance?

I just stumbled across a compilation of all DG sheets, enjoy:

https://imgur.com/a/YWxY2gA

Good stuff thank you kindly sir!

I went to my LGS and picked up their last 2 MBHs , I feel like such a tool for GW lol instead of starting a new army I'm trying to make DG playable xD

Boosykes wrote:
Well at least we should have access to land Raiders hopefully they are good.

Yeah but that doesn't work unless Land Raiders get priced differently in different armies.

Because a DG Land Raider will not be as good as a World Eaters Land Raider (6+++) which will not be as good as a Thousand Sons Land Raider (remove all armour saves/free strategem) which will not be as good as a Space Marine Land Raider (Oaths of Moment/Fall back and shoot doctrine). So if our Land Raiders are ok, Space Marine Land Raiders are probably too good.

Why would they be priced the same?
If they’re in entirely different armies, with different rules backing them up, they should cost different.

Yes they should.

But they may not be. Because right now in 9th, points for Land Raiders, Rhinos, Predators, etc are mainly the same.

A TS Predator with a 5++ is the same as a DG Predator.

An Iron Hands Predator with +1AP, re-roll 1s to hit, a 6+++ and less degrading is... Yes you guessed it, the same as a DG Predator.

And there was a stickyness in 9th of points for things like power armour marines and terminator marines across the various factions. It was baffling that Blightlords and Scarab Occults were both 40 points for the whole of 9th.

So, in 9th, GW were idiots in terms of costing these units.

In two weeks or so, we will know if GW are still idiots.

To be fair I agree with you. When I made those two poll in general chat (strongest and weakest factions based solely on the faction focus I voted for death guard as worst and eldar as strongest. This was well before the exhibition matches.

Looking so far like I was right on the money but it's still too early to know if death guard are the weakest or simply very weak.

So I agree we look terrible. Now is their any way to make them work? How can we beat eldar for example.

At this point its obvious death guard are going to be near the bottom and eldar will be near the top but how can we squeeze every drop of puss out of this army and maybe find a combo that will do at least some work.

Really hoping Lord of Contagion and Poxwalkers are going to be decent, still haven't seen them.

I think Morty actually seems... decent?

Not sure I'd agree with all the doomer-isms here.

Yes, he's less killy, but not much imo. But he's consistently tougher in this edition being T12 AND you can choose to keep Miasma up for +1 cover AND he's now 2+ save (instead of 3+ save in 9th).

Also, his Lord of the Death Guard Aura seems flavorful and interesting!

Lord of the Death Guard is very interesting. As it prevents modifications to characteristics, it should include the OC characteristic i think? So even battleshocked DG units near him will keep their OC stat.

One other thing I think will need playtesting to understand is how good a 2+ armour save (Morty, PBCs, DPs, termies) is when getting cover. Testing how easy it is to get the cover and then how much survivability a 1+ gives.

EightFoldPath wrote:
Lord of the Death Guard is very interesting. As it prevents modifications to characteristics, it should include the OC characteristic i think? So even battleshocked DG units near him will keep their OC stat.

One other thing I think will need playtesting to understand is how good a 2+ armour save (Morty, PBCs, DPs, termies) is when getting cover. Testing how easy it is to get the cover and then how much survivability a 1+ gives.

Great insight I hadn't even thought of morty ignoring OC modification

Boosykes wrote:

EightFoldPath wrote:
Lord of the Death Guard is very interesting. As it prevents modifications to characteristics, it should include the OC characteristic i think? So even battleshocked DG units near him will keep their OC stat.

One other thing I think will need playtesting to understand is how good a 2+ armour save (Morty, PBCs, DPs, termies) is when getting cover. Testing how easy it is to get the cover and then how much survivability a 1+ gives.

Great insight I hadn't even thought of morty ignoring OC modification

It does look like Morty's aura ignores OC modification.

Given how it looks like Battleshock may be common, that's pretty dang good!

EightFoldPath wrote:

One other thing I think will need playtesting to understand is how good a 2+ armour save (Morty, PBCs, DPs, termies) is when getting cover. Testing how easy it is to get the cover and then how much survivability a 1+ gives.

For any AP 1 or stronger, seems like maximizing cover would give quite a bit of benefit.

The one silver lining in the underwhelming Blightlords datasheet is the 4 attacks per model in combat with the basic weapon. They basically have the 9th ed CSM accursed weapon with 1 less AP down to 2, lethal hits and a -1T aura in range.

40 attacks instead of 31 attacks on a "shooting" Blightlord unit is a significant improvement, and with only AP1 I would be tempted to at least try out dropping the flails (if they cost ponts again).

I quite like the look of 6 combi-weapons, 2 spewers, 2 autocannons.

Although I hate both Lethal Hits and Anti-Infantry 2+/4+ when their army rule is -1T.

I wonder if anyone ever suggested to GW to make their contagion -1S instead of -1T?

The -1 toughness still comes in to play for all those 6 you didn't roll in the to hit phase, and the weapons in the squad that don't have anti in their description.

Long post... I was thinking that after the #foregworldmassacre DG are looking a little light on units to choose from and now have the Tyranids as a comparison (also throwing in TSons as fellow massacre victims).

DG have:
12 Leaders
4 Bodyguard
3 Misc Infantry/Beasts/Swarms
0 Lone Operatives
3 Monsters
8 Vehicles
1 Terrain
31 Total

You could argue that Leaders don't count as they are just unit attachments, and say the DG roster consists of 19 units.



TSons:
8 Leaders
3 Bodyguard
2 Misc Infantry/Beasts/Swarms
0 Lone Operatives
4 Monsters
8 Vehicles
25 Total (or 17 if not counting Leaders)



Tyranids

6 Leaders
7 Bodyguard
13 Misc Infantry/Beasts/Swarms
3 Lone Operatives
15 Monsters
44 Total (or 38 if not counting Leaders)



We still have 14 DG datasheets to see (6 of them are Leaders) and so far DG have 0 Lone Operatives, 0 Stealth, 0 Scouts, 0 Infiltrators, 0 Precision on weapons. Fingers crossed we get a 0CP per battle round when you do a strategem ability on LoC? And maybe a Cloud of Flies Stealth strat?

Comparing datasheets with Tyranids and I'm again believing that either DG points are going to be lower than some think or Tyranids points are going to be higher than some think. Or GW gonna GW.

I won't be doing a breakdown of the SM sheets to compare for an obvious reason, but my gut feeling is they won't be missing forgeworld like DG miss Leviathans, Deredeos, Decimators or Dread Claw Drop Pods.

Anybody have any idea when point costs for units will be available?

Leviathan is supposed to be official on the 26th of June so I'm guessing some time around then?

Friday.

And 24.6.

Pouring one out for all my beautifully converted Blightkings/Death Guard possessed :(

https://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/#warhammer-40000

Looks like our anti tank options are MBHs, HellBrutes, Defilers, Predators, and Land Raiders.

Defilers look really strong so I imagine they'll be expensive to field.

MBHs are probably going to be more expensive also I imagine

Can you fire all your pistols? Wondering what the point of 2 Plagespurt gauntlets are on the Deathshroud Champ.

Yes. All non-pistols or all pistols.

Is GW going to release a new DG Hellbrute model?

Or is the one that appears on their datasheet just the chaos one available already?

 Darkmatter wrote:
Is GW going to release a new DG Hellbrute model?

Or is the one that appears on their datasheet just the chaos one available already?

It's the current one. The multi part kit.

I know there is gonna be a 10th edition topic soon, but what should I do with my 2nd Lord if Contagion nowadays?

Thinking maybe a Lord/Sorcerer with fist and enhanced blade giving a pseudo 2 profile attack weapon for him.