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Given he is effectively Guilliman's 2IC (& is the regent of the entire Imperium Nihilus), Dante should *definitely* get the Supreme Commander keyword.

 Stormonu wrote:
Supreme Commander?

Sounds like a job for Creed.

Very true....but he's also kind of dead (or is he?). As much as I love the badassery of Creed I would love to see a new Warmaster type guard commander rise up that is new. Maybe Fleetmaster Cassandra VanLeskus since she singlehandedly got Fleet Tertius off the ground through sheer force of will and had it ready to stop a chaos invasion of the Sol System before the other fleets of the indomitus crusade had a chance to even get started (although she is a fleet officer....). Or you could have Warmaster Macaroth or any other notable Generals like Drusus or Isaia Bendikt. Theres got to be a ton of great choices out there who could really get a cool start. Ideally I would love to see some sort of special command tank with the commander standing and pointing forward with their power sword.

Additionally, this would be an amazing opportunity for them to make a new "primary" guard regiment to replace the dwindling Cadians.

mrFickle wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Are you holding out for a hero, mrFickle?

Just someone who can do this presentation for me

I am.

But he's gotta be strong
And he's gotta be fast
And he's gotta be larger than life.

(That's right, when someone misses an 80's pop culture reference, you can always count on me to pick it up)

Custodes could get Valdor back.

He was actually just about equal to a primarch in combat power. he just didnt have as much latent psychic potential or as good a memory as the actual primarchs. Might have been a small bit less durable too.

 generalchaos34 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Stormonu wrote:
Supreme Commander?

Sounds like a job for Creed.

Very true....but he's also kind of dead (or is he?). As much as I love the badassery of Creed I would love to see a new Warmaster type guard commander rise up that is new. Maybe Fleetmaster Cassandra VanLeskus since she singlehandedly got Fleet Tertius off the ground through sheer force of will and had it ready to stop a chaos invasion of the Sol System before the other fleets of the indomitus crusade had a chance to even get started (although she is a fleet officer....). Or you could have Warmaster Macaroth or any other notable Generals like Drusus or Isaia Bendikt. Theres got to be a ton of great choices out there who could really get a cool start. Ideally I would love to see some sort of special command tank with the commander standing and pointing forward with their power sword.

Additionally, this would be an amazing opportunity for them to make a new "primary" guard regiment to replace the dwindling Cadians.

The fluff has always had a large number of non-Cadian units using Cadian gear.

 Ghaz wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Stormonu wrote:
Supreme Commander?

Sounds like a job for Creed.

Very true....but he's also kind of dead (or is he?). As much as I love the badassery of Creed I would love to see a new Warmaster type guard commander rise up that is new. Maybe Fleetmaster Cassandra VanLeskus since she singlehandedly got Fleet Tertius off the ground through sheer force of will and had it ready to stop a chaos invasion of the Sol System before the other fleets of the indomitus crusade had a chance to even get started (although she is a fleet officer....). Or you could have Warmaster Macaroth or any other notable Generals like Drusus or Isaia Bendikt. Theres got to be a ton of great choices out there who could really get a cool start. Ideally I would love to see some sort of special command tank with the commander standing and pointing forward with their power sword.

Additionally, this would be an amazing opportunity for them to make a new "primary" guard regiment to replace the dwindling Cadians.

The fluff has always had a large number of non-Cadian units using Cadian gear.

bUt I dOn'T LiKe CaDiAnS!!1!!

Macaroth's dead anyways. Been dead for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

The biggest and best thing we can hope for right now is that Guilliman gets a bee in his bonnet and reorganizes the Imperial Army to be a thing. Specialist Regiments like Catachans, Tallarn, etc could be represented better that way as actual dedicated unit types specializing in terrain/cover setups.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Stormonu wrote:
Supreme Commander?

Sounds like a job for Creed.

Very true....but he's also kind of dead (or is he?). As much as I love the badassery of Creed I would love to see a new Warmaster type guard commander rise up that is new. Maybe Fleetmaster Cassandra VanLeskus since she singlehandedly got Fleet Tertius off the ground through sheer force of will and had it ready to stop a chaos invasion of the Sol System before the other fleets of the indomitus crusade had a chance to even get started (although she is a fleet officer....). Or you could have Warmaster Macaroth or any other notable Generals like Drusus or Isaia Bendikt. Theres got to be a ton of great choices out there who could really get a cool start. Ideally I would love to see some sort of special command tank with the commander standing and pointing forward with their power sword.

Additionally, this would be an amazing opportunity for them to make a new "primary" guard regiment to replace the dwindling Cadians.

The fluff has always had a large number of non-Cadian units using Cadian gear.

bUt I dOn'T LiKe CaDiAnS!!1!!

Macaroth's dead anyways. Been dead for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

The biggest and best thing we can hope for right now is that Guilliman gets a bee in his bonnet and reorganizes the Imperial Army to be a thing. Specialist Regiments like Catachans, Tallarn, etc could be represented better that way as actual dedicated unit types specializing in terrain/cover setups.

reorginizing the guard into the army would be impossiable, they'd have to be able to stand down long eneugh to impliment the changes

BrianDavion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Stormonu wrote:
Supreme Commander?

Sounds like a job for Creed.

Very true....but he's also kind of dead (or is he?). As much as I love the badassery of Creed I would love to see a new Warmaster type guard commander rise up that is new. Maybe Fleetmaster Cassandra VanLeskus since she singlehandedly got Fleet Tertius off the ground through sheer force of will and had it ready to stop a chaos invasion of the Sol System before the other fleets of the indomitus crusade had a chance to even get started (although she is a fleet officer....). Or you could have Warmaster Macaroth or any other notable Generals like Drusus or Isaia Bendikt. Theres got to be a ton of great choices out there who could really get a cool start. Ideally I would love to see some sort of special command tank with the commander standing and pointing forward with their power sword.

Additionally, this would be an amazing opportunity for them to make a new "primary" guard regiment to replace the dwindling Cadians.

The fluff has always had a large number of non-Cadian units using Cadian gear.

bUt I dOn'T LiKe CaDiAnS!!1!!

Macaroth's dead anyways. Been dead for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

The biggest and best thing we can hope for right now is that Guilliman gets a bee in his bonnet and reorganizes the Imperial Army to be a thing. Specialist Regiments like Catachans, Tallarn, etc could be represented better that way as actual dedicated unit types specializing in terrain/cover setups.

reorginizing the guard into the army would be impossiable, they'd have to be able to stand down long eneugh to impliment the changes

Or take generations worth of phasing out the old Imperial Guard Regiments and phasing in the new Imperial Army.

Also don't know how you'd leave the Characters from each regiment like Straken, Harker, and Creed.

Arcanis161 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Stormonu wrote:
Supreme Commander?

Sounds like a job for Creed.

Very true....but he's also kind of dead (or is he?). As much as I love the badassery of Creed I would love to see a new Warmaster type guard commander rise up that is new. Maybe Fleetmaster Cassandra VanLeskus since she singlehandedly got Fleet Tertius off the ground through sheer force of will and had it ready to stop a chaos invasion of the Sol System before the other fleets of the indomitus crusade had a chance to even get started (although she is a fleet officer....). Or you could have Warmaster Macaroth or any other notable Generals like Drusus or Isaia Bendikt. Theres got to be a ton of great choices out there who could really get a cool start. Ideally I would love to see some sort of special command tank with the commander standing and pointing forward with their power sword.

Additionally, this would be an amazing opportunity for them to make a new "primary" guard regiment to replace the dwindling Cadians.

The fluff has always had a large number of non-Cadian units using Cadian gear.

bUt I dOn'T LiKe CaDiAnS!!1!!

Macaroth's dead anyways. Been dead for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

The biggest and best thing we can hope for right now is that Guilliman gets a bee in his bonnet and reorganizes the Imperial Army to be a thing. Specialist Regiments like Catachans, Tallarn, etc could be represented better that way as actual dedicated unit types specializing in terrain/cover setups.

reorginizing the guard into the army would be impossiable, they'd have to be able to stand down long eneugh to impliment the changes

Or take generations worth of phasing out the old Imperial Guard Regiments and phasing in the new Imperial Army.

Also don't know how you'd leave the Characters from each regiment like Straken, Harker, and Creed.

A lot of those care are pretty old. If I was going to COMPLETELY re-do Guard.. I'd just say "yeah they died" support the rules for a time until eventally moving them to legends and do something new for guard chars.

I'd make guard go back to platoons. 3 10 man units with a platoon commander for 150pts. can have 3 special guns and/or 3 heavy weapons. 3 seargents and the platoon commander can take plasma pistols and/or melee weapons.

None of the 3 squads can be more than 8" from the other 2 squads and casualties can be pulled from any of the squads.

Takes up 1 troop slot. You'd have to take 3 chimera's if you take any though, and they would also have to remain within 8" of each other.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Stormonu wrote:
Supreme Commander?

Sounds like a job for Creed.

Very true....but he's also kind of dead (or is he?). As much as I love the badassery of Creed I would love to see a new Warmaster type guard commander rise up that is new. Maybe Fleetmaster Cassandra VanLeskus since she singlehandedly got Fleet Tertius off the ground through sheer force of will and had it ready to stop a chaos invasion of the Sol System before the other fleets of the indomitus crusade had a chance to even get started (although she is a fleet officer....). Or you could have Warmaster Macaroth or any other notable Generals like Drusus or Isaia Bendikt. Theres got to be a ton of great choices out there who could really get a cool start. Ideally I would love to see some sort of special command tank with the commander standing and pointing forward with their power sword.

Additionally, this would be an amazing opportunity for them to make a new "primary" guard regiment to replace the dwindling Cadians.

The fluff has always had a large number of non-Cadian units using Cadian gear.

bUt I dOn'T LiKe CaDiAnS!!1!!

Macaroth's dead anyways. Been dead for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

The biggest and best thing we can hope for right now is that Guilliman gets a bee in his bonnet and reorganizes the Imperial Army to be a thing. Specialist Regiments like Catachans, Tallarn, etc could be represented better that way as actual dedicated unit types specializing in terrain/cover setups.

reorginizing the guard into the army would be impossiable, they'd have to be able to stand down long eneugh to impliment the changes

That's... not how the Imperium would do that.
If (somehow) convinced of the need to do it, the Imperium would start with newly raised regiments, and simply 'wear out' the existing regiments through attrition and casualties.

Which works just as well for GW. They could avoid invalidating armies and give people shiny new toys to buy.

Rahdok wrote:
If i had to guess the only factions that can't/won't get one that is soley for them is Adeptus Custodes, Grey Knights and Sisters. The only thing Custodes could get that would make sense would be Big E himself as that will never happen unless its some Avatar of big E then idk what they could do as they only really have like 6 named characters? Grey Knights ALREADY have their big guy and he's just a Hero (Kaldor Draigo) they could get 1 other dude but he's in no way a "Supreme Commander". And Sisters are essentially just women in armor , as they already have Celestine (an little immortal being thats died 100 times already) then i dont see what else.

Do Custodes and GK have subfactions? That’s one of the things suspected behind this. A cross sub-faction HQ Supreme Commander that doesn’t break Doctrine/Sept/etc, or LOW for the -Primarch who need a slot. The other Marine subfactions are likely to be left out, but expect 10th to make all the named Chapter Masters Supreme Commanders without the faction crossing to make up for the “missing” character slot. Expect GW to forget not all chapters have a named CM, or that some might want to DIY their CM or entire chapter so it won’t be supported outside of nameds.

Sisters will probably get Celestine.

Poor GSC

 Blndmage wrote:
Poor GSC

Swarm Lord and Old One Eye maybe. Or a new named Patriarch who can fit in Nids too.

Breton wrote:

Rahdok wrote:
If i had to guess the only factions that can't/won't get one that is soley for them is Adeptus Custodes, Grey Knights and Sisters. The only thing Custodes could get that would make sense would be Big E himself as that will never happen unless its some Avatar of big E then idk what they could do as they only really have like 6 named characters? Grey Knights ALREADY have their big guy and he's just a Hero (Kaldor Draigo) they could get 1 other dude but he's in no way a "Supreme Commander". And Sisters are essentially just women in armor , as they already have Celestine (an little immortal being thats died 100 times already) then i dont see what else.

Do Custodes and GK have subfactions? That’s one of the things suspected behind this. A cross sub-faction HQ Supreme Commander that doesn’t break Doctrine/Sept/etc, or LOW for the -Primarch who need a slot. The other Marine subfactions are likely to be left out, but expect 10th to make all the named Chapter Masters Supreme Commanders without the faction crossing to make up for the “missing” character slot. Expect GW to forget not all chapters have a named CM, or that some might want to DIY their CM or entire chapter so it won’t be supported outside of nameds.

Sisters will probably get Celestine.

Celestine makes some sense yeah, and yeah I don't expect custodes or GKs to get anything. nor will space marines get any other supreme commanders until/unless more primarchs return.

BrianDavion wrote:

Breton wrote:

Rahdok wrote:
If i had to guess the only factions that can't/won't get one that is soley for them is Adeptus Custodes, Grey Knights and Sisters. The only thing Custodes could get that would make sense would be Big E himself as that will never happen unless its some Avatar of big E then idk what they could do as they only really have like 6 named characters? Grey Knights ALREADY have their big guy and he's just a Hero (Kaldor Draigo) they could get 1 other dude but he's in no way a "Supreme Commander". And Sisters are essentially just women in armor , as they already have Celestine (an little immortal being thats died 100 times already) then i dont see what else.

Do Custodes and GK have subfactions? That’s one of the things suspected behind this. A cross sub-faction HQ Supreme Commander that doesn’t break Doctrine/Sept/etc, or LOW for the -Primarch who need a slot. The other Marine subfactions are likely to be left out, but expect 10th to make all the named Chapter Masters Supreme Commanders without the faction crossing to make up for the “missing” character slot. Expect GW to forget not all chapters have a named CM, or that some might want to DIY their CM or entire chapter so it won’t be supported outside of nameds.

Sisters will probably get Celestine.

Celestine makes some sense yeah, and yeah I don't expect custodes or GKs to get anything. nor will space marines get any other supreme commanders until/unless more primarchs return.

In 9th, unless we get supplement 9.5’s. I still think named Chapter Masters get Supreme Commander so non Guilliman chapters get the bonus character/HQ slot.

Breton wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Breton wrote:

Rahdok wrote:
If i had to guess the only factions that can't/won't get one that is soley for them is Adeptus Custodes, Grey Knights and Sisters. The only thing Custodes could get that would make sense would be Big E himself as that will never happen unless its some Avatar of big E then idk what they could do as they only really have like 6 named characters? Grey Knights ALREADY have their big guy and he's just a Hero (Kaldor Draigo) they could get 1 other dude but he's in no way a "Supreme Commander". And Sisters are essentially just women in armor , as they already have Celestine (an little immortal being thats died 100 times already) then i dont see what else.

Do Custodes and GK have subfactions? That’s one of the things suspected behind this. A cross sub-faction HQ Supreme Commander that doesn’t break Doctrine/Sept/etc, or LOW for the -Primarch who need a slot. The other Marine subfactions are likely to be left out, but expect 10th to make all the named Chapter Masters Supreme Commanders without the faction crossing to make up for the “missing” character slot. Expect GW to forget not all chapters have a named CM, or that some might want to DIY their CM or entire chapter so it won’t be supported outside of nameds.

Sisters will probably get Celestine.

Celestine makes some sense yeah, and yeah I don't expect custodes or GKs to get anything. nor will space marines get any other supreme commanders until/unless more primarchs return.

In 9th, unless we get supplement 9.5’s. I still think named Chapter Masters get Supreme Commander so non Guilliman chapters get the bonus character/HQ slot.

don't bet on it

Swarmlord should be the Tyranid one

BrianDavion wrote:

Breton wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Breton wrote:

Rahdok wrote:
If i had to guess the only factions that can't/won't get one that is soley for them is Adeptus Custodes, Grey Knights and Sisters. The only thing Custodes could get that would make sense would be Big E himself as that will never happen unless its some Avatar of big E then idk what they could do as they only really have like 6 named characters? Grey Knights ALREADY have their big guy and he's just a Hero (Kaldor Draigo) they could get 1 other dude but he's in no way a "Supreme Commander". And Sisters are essentially just women in armor , as they already have Celestine (an little immortal being thats died 100 times already) then i dont see what else.

Do Custodes and GK have subfactions? That’s one of the things suspected behind this. A cross sub-faction HQ Supreme Commander that doesn’t break Doctrine/Sept/etc, or LOW for the -Primarch who need a slot. The other Marine subfactions are likely to be left out, but expect 10th to make all the named Chapter Masters Supreme Commanders without the faction crossing to make up for the “missing” character slot. Expect GW to forget not all chapters have a named CM, or that some might want to DIY their CM or entire chapter so it won’t be supported outside of nameds.

Sisters will probably get Celestine.

Celestine makes some sense yeah, and yeah I don't expect custodes or GKs to get anything. nor will space marines get any other supreme commanders until/unless more primarchs return.

In 9th, unless we get supplement 9.5’s. I still think named Chapter Masters get Supreme Commander so non Guilliman chapters get the bonus character/HQ slot.

don't bet on it

Not any time soon, my original guess was 10th edition. But it occured to me we could see a halfway wave two of new supplements.

Breton wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Breton wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Breton wrote:

Rahdok wrote:
If i had to guess the only factions that can't/won't get one that is soley for them is Adeptus Custodes, Grey Knights and Sisters. The only thing Custodes could get that would make sense would be Big E himself as that will never happen unless its some Avatar of big E then idk what they could do as they only really have like 6 named characters? Grey Knights ALREADY have their big guy and he's just a Hero (Kaldor Draigo) they could get 1 other dude but he's in no way a "Supreme Commander". And Sisters are essentially just women in armor , as they already have Celestine (an little immortal being thats died 100 times already) then i dont see what else.

Do Custodes and GK have subfactions? That’s one of the things suspected behind this. A cross sub-faction HQ Supreme Commander that doesn’t break Doctrine/Sept/etc, or LOW for the -Primarch who need a slot. The other Marine subfactions are likely to be left out, but expect 10th to make all the named Chapter Masters Supreme Commanders without the faction crossing to make up for the “missing” character slot. Expect GW to forget not all chapters have a named CM, or that some might want to DIY their CM or entire chapter so it won’t be supported outside of nameds.

Sisters will probably get Celestine.

Celestine makes some sense yeah, and yeah I don't expect custodes or GKs to get anything. nor will space marines get any other supreme commanders until/unless more primarchs return.

In 9th, unless we get supplement 9.5’s. I still think named Chapter Masters get Supreme Commander so non Guilliman chapters get the bonus character/HQ slot.

don't bet on it

Not any time soon, my original guess was 10th edition. But it occured to me we could see a halfway wave two of new supplements.

yet again, don't bet on it. If I was a betting man GW'll rewrite the supreme command detachment again for 10th.

sanguine40k wrote:
Given he is effectively Guilliman's 2IC (& is the regent of the entire Imperium Nihilus), Dante should *definitely* get the Supreme Commander keyword.

I really don't see Dante commanding an imperial force without a host of blood angels being present though, which kind of is the point of these supreme commanders. Thrakka, Shadowsun or Szarekh are pretty likely to command an army with not a single other member of their respective sub-faction being present.

I think they'll either go one of two ways.

Either each army will get one, in which case, most people have been listing the likes - Named chapter masters, Eldrad, Trajan, Mortarion, Magnus, Farsight, Fabius, Creed, Vect - who doesn't exist as a playable character any longer - Forgeworld Greater Daemons, Celestine, Cawl etc.

Or, it will be a case of requiring status enough to do something like regularly command or unite an species or 'super faction' (for want of a better term), in which case I think there will be far less. In fact, I would think - Yvraine (with a buff), Abaddon, Guilliman, Swarmlord, Silent King, Tau Special Ethereal I Can't Remember the Name of and Ghazgull. WHetehr they should all be comparable power on the table top or not is a different debate; I don't think they need to be so long as the point efficiency is fair.

I prefer the latter of the two but it will really depend on the mechanic they're trying to introduce via the key word.

Well, Mortarion, Magnus and Guilliman probably won't be getting the Supreme Commander keyword.

They already have the Primarch / Daemon Primarch keyword which has the same function.

 Dysartes wrote:
Are you holding out for a hero, mrFickle?

Well played Sir.

Now I have that song stuck in my head for the day!

mrFickle wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Are you holding out for a hero, mrFickle?

Just someone who can do this presentation for me

What kind of hero are you waiting for?
I guess he's got to be strong, and he's got to be fast and he got to be fresh from the fight!

I think some people are confusing what an actual supreme commander is and the SUPREME COMMANDER keyword.

Dante may be the supreme commander of the Blood Angels, but he doesn't need the SUPREME COMMANDER keyword because he is never going to lead a force of Iron Hands.

It is just like the CORE keyword. Space Marine Captains are a core part of a Space Marine force, but they don't get the CORE keyword because of its function in the rules of the game. Just because a character is a supreme commander of their faction/sept/chapter/regiment or whatever it may be doesn't necessarily mean they need the SUPREME COMMANDER keyword for rules purposes.

True about Dante.

That said, I doubt they made the keyword for one miniature only. There is design space GW presumably wants to use.

Perhaps Aun'Va with a new, pimped-up model-on-massive-flying-Tau-throne can lead any Tau force (or he could come with a caveat that Farsight stuff cannot be included). Perhaps the Swarmlord won't get it, but GW has a new Junior-Dominatrix-unit or something along those lines in the making.

GW clearly likes to throw out big models like the Silent King, so presumably there'll be more.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
True about Dante.

That said, I doubt they made the keyword for one miniature only. There is design space GW presumably wants to use.

Perhaps Aun'Va with a new, pimped-up model-on-massive-flying-Tau-throne can lead any Tau force (or he could come with a caveat that Farsight stuff cannot be included). Perhaps the Swarmlord won't get it, but GW has a new Junior-Dominatrix-unit or something along those lines in the making.

GW clearly likes to throw out big models like the Silent King, so presumably there'll be more.

I definitely think there will be more from both existing characters and new characters. I think Shadowsun will probably be the T'au one because she already has a special rule where she can be with any Sept and not break their bonuses which is essentially what the SUPREME COMMANDER keyword is all about.

I believe we will see a lot of overlap with the new "centerpiece" models and this new keyword this edition.

Mud Turkey 13 wrote:I think some people are confusing what an actual supreme commander is and the SUPREME COMMANDER keyword.

Dante may be the supreme commander of the Blood Angels, but he doesn't need the SUPREME COMMANDER keyword because he is never going to lead a force of Iron Hands.

It is just like the CORE keyword. Space Marine Captains are a core part of a Space Marine force, but they don't get the CORE keyword because of its function in the rules of the game. Just because a character is a supreme commander of their faction/sept/chapter/regiment or whatever it may be doesn't necessarily mean they need the SUPREME COMMANDER keyword for rules purposes.

So by that vein, there's literally no point to them existing at all since Primarchs like Magnus and Mortarion can't really do anything with non-TS/DG forces.

The function of Supreme Commander isn't to lead 'a force of Iron Hands'. It's to let you take a character without it messing with your main FOC.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Perhaps Aun'Va with a new, pimped-up model-on-massive-flying-Tau-throne can lead any Tau force (or he could come with a caveat that Farsight stuff cannot be included). Perhaps the Swarmlord won't get it, but GW has a new Junior-Dominatrix-unit or something along those lines in the making.

GW clearly likes to throw out big models like the Silent King, so presumably there'll be more.

I highly doubt it would be Aun'Va for the Tau, given the events of the Damocles books(Kau'yon and Mont'ka). More likely than not it would be Shadowsun and Farsight.

I see no reason why Dante couldn't lead a force of non-Blood Angels - it might seem unlikely that he'll lead them directly on the battlefield, but it's certainly not unheard of for him to command them, even at individual battle level.
Remember that he had ultimate command of all the Marine Chapters at the 3rd War for Armageddon, because the other Chapter Masters recognised he'd do a great job. I'm sure they wouldn't be averse to him saying "I need a few of your squads here, just a little up the road from where my boys are dropping."
And that's just other Marine Chapters - your average Guard Colonel would probably get a Commissar bullet through the head just for refusing a request from Dante.