Dudeface wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
The writing on the wall is the fact that they have released an entirely new line of space marine models. Why would they continue to produce two competing sets of the same army forever?

because they continue to make money off both sets?

But do you think it is indefinitely sustainable?

 catbarf wrote:
Here's my thinking.

1. Release a brand-new Space Marine line with new unit designs, new sculpts, and stats that are The Way Marines Were Always Meant To Be(tm), but conceptually distinct and can augment current armies.

2. Flesh out this new Space Marine line such that it has equivalents or role-equivalents to everything in the old line that intends to be carried forward, while releasing no new units whatsoever for the old line. This is an ongoing process, through #5.

3. Advance all the well-known named characters to be part of this new Marine concept, with no continued rules support for their equivalents in the old line.

4. Upgrade the models in the old line to now have The Way Marines Were Always Meant To Be(tm) stats, narrowing the rules gap between the two. The difference, rules-wise, now comes down to equipment and organization.

(You Are Here)

5. Gradually increase the number of weapon options available to the new Marine line, providing some approximation of the flexibility of the old Marine line, as well as corresponding counterparts. At this point, fielding old Marines as new Marines becomes a viable option.

6. Release a new codex that only contains the new Marines. Release rules for the old Marines as non-tournament-legal Legends. Provide an official guide for how old Marines can be counted as new Marines for tournament purposes- at this point most units have direct equivalents, some can be shuffled around (maybe pluck the heavy weapons out to become their own squad), and only a few have no new counterparts.

Dudeface wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
The writing on the wall is the fact that they have released an entirely new line of space marine models. Why would they continue to produce two competing sets of the same army forever?

because they continue to make money off both sets?

But do you think it is indefinitely sustainable?

Voss wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
The writing on the wall is the fact that they have released an entirely new line of space marine models. Why would they continue to produce two competing sets of the same army forever?

because they continue to make money off both sets?

But do you think it is indefinitely sustainable?

What, selling multiple marine armies? Uh... Yeah.
As long as the game lasts, anyway. They've been doing exactly that since the very first codex of second edition. Slightly longer if you count chaos marines.

Plus grey knights were added to the multiplicity of marine armies along the way, and the next three months are basically a monument to how successful selling multiple marine armies is as a sustainable strategy.

Slipstream wrote:
Maybe we also need to consider the outside world? The cluster that is Brexit will radically alter everything for everybody. Retailers are now saying that the daily shop will come with a huge rise in pricing after January if we leave the EU without any trade deals. If you add in mass unemployment because of that and covid, it is looking a bit bleak for 2021.

We're well aware how much GW loves a price rise, usually in June. If there is a no deal I'd expect one much quicker.
The problem they've got is that their prices are way beyond 'premium', so what happens? Well, they did raise prices at the peak of the first outbreak...

I'd keep ahold of all armies I owned, you might need them, as their entry level price point might crash the game very soon. If I was in charge of GW, the last thing I'd do is stop producing 1st born marines, I can see something like primaris intercessors hitting the £40 mark next year.

You never know, GW may have reached their peak, not because of their pricing more like a vicious one two of Brexit and covid. 2021 is going to be a tough year.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Where did the Blood Angel Tactical Squad go?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Then wouldn't it be "Temp Unavailable". It's just... gone.

Then again, it may be re-released when the BAs get their book. But it's weird to remove it completely.

 Type40 wrote:
I played first born v.s. primaris today actually. First born won by a landslide, the versatility was too good comparatively.

I wonder if this is other peoples experience too ?
But with the new rules and 2w FB I think they don't need any extra rules... maybe a special strat would be nice for em, but they are running well IMO.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Then wouldn't it be "Temp Unavailable". It's just... gone.

Then again, it may be re-released when the BAs get their book. But it's weird to remove it completely.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So they're not available anywhere, and have been expunged from the website as a separate item. An GW just announced "Combat Patrols" as a replacement for Start Collecting! boxes.

I'm sure this is just a giant coincidence.

Brother Castor wrote:
I shan't hold my breath about firstborn marines getting squatted. During 8th everyone said they wouldn't be in SM codex 2.0. Then they said they won't be in 9th. Now apparently they won't be in 10th. Maybe. Maybe not.

All I know is that if GW do squat them I won't be replacing my entire army with Primaris. I'll either just use legends rules or retire them and focus on my other army.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I get that you are implying the SC BAngels box and associated tactical kit is out of stock because they are going to replace it with one of these newfangled 'Combat Patrols' but I think to reasonably assume that the Blood Angels supplement would have to be releas- nevermind.

 Nitro Zeus wrote:

Brother Castor wrote:
I shan't hold my breath about firstborn marines getting squatted. During 8th everyone said they wouldn't be in SM codex 2.0. Then they said they won't be in 9th. Now apparently they won't be in 10th. Maybe. Maybe not.

All I know is that if GW do squat them I won't be replacing my entire army with Primaris. I'll either just use legends rules or retire them and focus on my other army.

This is the most kneejerky place on the internet and even here I didn't see people saying that old marines would be gone by 2.0 or by 9th. In fact 2.0 came out of nowhere and there was no real speculation at all about what 2.0 was going to be, just better SM rules. I don't have an opinion here I'm interested to see what GW do, I find them to be quite unpredictable, but you my friend are most definitely making gak up.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
He’s not wrong. As soon as Primaris were announced people on this very forum were saying exactly as this poster says. Then amended to “gone by 9th” even before 9th was announced. Then the hymn sheet changed to “they won’t be in 10th”, then this Codex dropped allowing GW to have its cake and eat it, and no-one has a clue anymore!

I find it amusing that the line of reasoning for first born being squatted is "the writing is on the walls", with no actual writing or information to go off of. Then when challenged, the defense is "just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't".

 Type40 wrote:
I played first born v.s. primaris today actually. First born won by a landslide, the versatility was too good comparatively.

I wonder if this is other peoples experience too ?
But with the new rules and 2w FB I think they don't need any extra rules... maybe a special strat would be nice for em, but they are running well IMO.