Hounds of Mokai rules speculation!

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**Denegaar**

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Thousand Sons get DttfE, and not even on just one unit.

My point wasn't trying to compare factions... even if I think that SW wins most of the time.

I was trying to say that if SW got the Hounds to counter TS, I think that the rules are pretty overkill. In a world that TS vs SW is a fair fight, adding this unit to the (already winning, IMO) side is just too much.

That's why I believe it's not a "lore" decision but a "sales" decision.

**the_scotsman**

BrianDavion wrote:
Breton wrote:
Ice_can wrote:

Plus +1 to hit roll againt psychers +1 in CC because space puppies, WS3+ on a D6+2 1+2=3 really is that so difficult?

Max of final +1 or -1 to hit. The only way they can use a second +1 is if there's a corresponding -1. They will never hit on a 1+. And that second +1 only applies on charge turns. That isn't difficuilt. But it it is honest. And that's difficult for you.

good catch, and reivers can't take thunderhammers so the rule'd only come into play if the psyker cast some sort of "-1 to hit me in combat" spell.

still I suppose if the combat stretches past 1 round that special rule might be relevant

You know, a -1 to hit spell, like magnus has and basically always casts on himself.

That'd be wild.

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Sunny Side Up wrote:

Thousand Sons get DttfE, and not even on just one unit.

I find that mostly gets balanced by my entire army being W1 while his entire army is W2 for basically the same cost.

That tends to make a difference.

Weird how GW decided it was so urgent that no space wolf player has to ever play with a W1 marine that they instantly FAQ'ed all the unique units to get them redesigned immediately, AND they decided they needed to get the very first codex slot after the marine codex, but it wasn't urgent at all for any chaos army to get their redesign to W2.

**Dai**

Denegaar wrote:
Neophyte2012 wrote:
I think this is the unit for Space Wolves to counter their nemisis - Thousand Sons. Not only their pseudo "shadow of the warp" ability make TS harder to cast powers, but also the +1dmg against psyker units will nullify the "all is dust" rule for TS marines and Terminators.

I feel like it would be a dick to take 3 units of these against TS in a "non competitive" game.

The Thousand Sons don't need stupidly strong counters like this one to lose vs them. And I don't think the Thousand Sons are going to get an Aura that reduces charge distances or number of attacks in melee to counter their nemesis, the Space Wolves.

There's dicks in every faction, but the problem is not the customer, is the company.

GW was not selling Reivers because of their rules and now every SW player is going to buy a box of these just in case they play vs a Psyker army (and I'm pretty sure SW is one of the most played SM chapters) because they are pretty good at their job. GW doing GW things and abusing the customers. In my opinion, everyone should be sad about releases like this one.

So Jes Goodwin was lying when he said a while back that Reavers are one of their best sellers? I mean it is possible that someone just thought that this was a cool idea that would sell well. Not everything has to be a nefarious plot. Add to that there are plenty and I mean plenty of people who buy models just because they think they look cool/want to paint them just as there are plenty who buy them just for their rules.

**the_scotsman**

Dai wrote:
Denegaar wrote:
Neophyte2012 wrote:
I think this is the unit for Space Wolves to counter their nemisis - Thousand Sons. Not only their pseudo "shadow of the warp" ability make TS harder to cast powers, but also the +1dmg against psyker units will nullify the "all is dust" rule for TS marines and Terminators.

I feel like it would be a dick to take 3 units of these against TS in a "non competitive" game.

The Thousand Sons don't need stupidly strong counters like this one to lose vs them. And I don't think the Thousand Sons are going to get an Aura that reduces charge distances or number of attacks in melee to counter their nemesis, the Space Wolves.

There's dicks in every faction, but the problem is not the customer, is the company.

GW was not selling Reivers because of their rules and now every SW player is going to buy a box of these just in case they play vs a Psyker army (and I'm pretty sure SW is one of the most played SM chapters) because they are pretty good at their job. GW doing GW things and abusing the customers. In my opinion, everyone should be sad about releases like this one.

So Jes Goodwin was lying when he said a while back that Reavers are one of their best sellers?

Clearly he meant Reavers not Reivers. Those are two different units.

**Dai**

the_scotsman wrote:
Dai wrote:
Denegaar wrote:
Neophyte2012 wrote:
I think this is the unit for Space Wolves to counter their nemisis - Thousand Sons. Not only their pseudo "shadow of the warp" ability make TS harder to cast powers, but also the +1dmg against psyker units will nullify the "all is dust" rule for TS marines and Terminators.

I feel like it would be a dick to take 3 units of these against TS in a "non competitive" game.

The Thousand Sons don't need stupidly strong counters like this one to lose vs them. And I don't think the Thousand Sons are going to get an Aura that reduces charge distances or number of attacks in melee to counter their nemesis, the Space Wolves.

There's dicks in every faction, but the problem is not the customer, is the company.

GW was not selling Reivers because of their rules and now every SW player is going to buy a box of these just in case they play vs a Psyker army (and I'm pretty sure SW is one of the most played SM chapters) because they are pretty good at their job. GW doing GW things and abusing the customers. In my opinion, everyone should be sad about releases like this one.

So Jes Goodwin was lying when he said a while back that Reavers are one of their best sellers?

Clearly he meant Reavers not Reivers. Those are two different units.

Sorry for the typo, he was certainly talking about the Primaris skull dudes though.

**a_typical_hero**

I really don't know what all this fuss is about.

Since we already established in threads some months ago that taking any sort of psyker is non viable due to Abhor the Witch secondary, this unit is dead on arrival.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Such an important task that they're armed with just combat knives. What a fething waste of a unit entry. GW should be embarrassed legit for publishing these rules.

**Justyn**

Such an important task that they're armed with just combat knives. What a fething waste of a unit entry. GW should be embarrassed legit for publishing these rules.

"Wolf Priest Ranek, did you find something to occupy those useless Primaris Reivers?".

"Why yes Lord Logan. I told them they had the most important mission. To sneak around behind enemy lines and assassinate their Psykers. Gave them a few Runic Charms and some stolen Psy-bolt ammo and sent them on their way."

"Brilliant I say, Brilliant. Now lets get on with planning the actual mission."

**Slayer-Fan123**

Justyn wrote:
Such an important task that they're armed with just combat knives. What a fething waste of a unit entry. GW should be embarrassed legit for publishing these rules.

"Wolf Priest Ranek, did you find something to occupy those useless Primaris Reivers?".

"Why yes Lord Logan. I told them they had the most important mission. To sneak around behind enemy lines and assassinate their Psykers. Gave them a few Runic Charms and some stolen Psy-bolt ammo and sent them on their way."

"Brilliant I say, Brilliant. Now lets get on with planning the actual mission."

I legit think the only reason to do this is to rid the warehouses of Reiver models.

**BrianDavion**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Justyn wrote:
Such an important task that they're armed with just combat knives. What a fething waste of a unit entry. GW should be embarrassed legit for publishing these rules.

"Wolf Priest Ranek, did you find something to occupy those useless Primaris Reivers?".

"Why yes Lord Logan. I told them they had the most important mission. To sneak around behind enemy lines and assassinate their Psykers. Gave them a few Runic Charms and some stolen Psy-bolt ammo and sent them on their way."

"Brilliant I say, Brilliant. Now lets get on with planning the actual mission."

I legit think the only reason to do this is to rid the warehouses of Reiver models.

nah space wolves running around with reivers has been a thing in GW's mind for awhile. the space marine kill team... space wolf reivers (in fact they where called the hounds of Mokai) and the white dwarf that came out with saga of the beast also talked about the cult of mokai and reivers.