Blood Angels Combat Patrol Box

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**BrianDavion**

Super Ready wrote:
Incursors don't get the extra chainsword attack that Assault Intercessors do, nor their 'fight twice' strat, and they're also miles behind almost every other combat unit the Codex unit has to offer (the exceptions being Reavers - ugh - and Assault Marines without jump packs - double ugh). So no - I don't agree that Incursors are a core assault unit for the Chapter. Also... splitting hairs here I know, considering they're both "new" units, but... they just don't seem as iconic for Blood Angels as the Assault Intercessors would, either.

I'd still argue for a Chaplain in the box over a Librarian as they're just as important to the BA fluff-wise, and they usually work better for us on the table. I do see your point there, I'm just not convinced.

The Death Company Intercessors... that one, I'll give you, that's a good point. Though considering we know the studio army has them painted already, and standard Intercessors fulfils the second Troops requirement, it's arguable that wasn't the intent here.

assault intercessors are simply too new (if they are avaliable when the BA CP is they';ll be a brand new box) so it makes sense they're not in the box, I agree it'd be nice if they where but I can see the reason.

Also Incursors aren't the best CC unit I agree, but they're definatly a solid "hybrid" unit.

**JWBS**

Nah, as someone that is currently painting up some Death Company, I'd say you really need the extra paraphernalia to make them proper DC. Just giving them the paint scheme doesn't really cut it (for me at least, others may disagree).

**Tiberius501**

For my DC Intercessors, I’m gonna be using Assault Intercessors, DC shoulder pads and Reiver skull masks (without the helmet, just the skull masks). I think that should make decent looking DC. (Hopefully)

But anyway, the box isn’t too bad for us. My only disappointment is Aggressors instead of Inceptors and no Assault Intercessors, though I understand why they aren’t in there.

**Super Ready**

BrianDavion wrote:
assault intercessors are simply too new (if they are avaliable when the BA CP is they';ll be a brand new box) so it makes sense they're not in the box, I agree it'd be nice if they where but I can see the reason.
Also Incursors aren't the best CC unit I agree, but they're definatly a solid "hybrid" unit.

That seems like a much fairer assessment. ...still, I'm not about to rush out and buy a box.

**BrianDavion**

JWBS wrote:
Nah, as someone that is currently painting up some Death Company, I'd say you really need the extra paraphernalia to make them proper DC. Just giving them the paint scheme doesn't really cut it (for me at least, others may disagree).

Maybe but right now we're in the early stages of primaris, I'd not be suprised if EVENTUALLY death company intercessors, hounds of Mokai and vetern intercessors all got a unique kit down the line

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Do they plan to make a "Combat patrol" for each chapter when all the chapters shares the same primaris miniature? Each box can be used for each chapter!"

**BrianDavion**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Do they plan to make a "Combat patrol" for each chapter when all the chapters shares the same primaris miniature? Each box can be used for each chapter!"

I mean if it means space marines have 8 discount boxes I'm ok with this!

in all seriousness though it'll proably be just the 4 chapters getting a supplement and then GW'll take stock from there, it's worth noting that of the 3 boxes we know of, both the SW and BA box conveniantly includes a kit that can be repurposed as a specialist unit.

**beast_gts**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Do they plan to make a "Combat patrol" for each chapter when all the chapters shares the same primaris miniature? Each box can be used for each chapter!"

It looks like they're replacing the Start Collecting boxes with them - both the Deathwatch and Primaris Space Wolves ones have gone from the store.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

BrianDavion wrote:
I mean if it means space marines have 8 discount boxes I'm ok with this!

Of course you are ok with Space Marines having 8 discount boxes, when other armies have none.

**Not Online!!!**

well gw need to somehow SHIFT reiveerrrrrm sorry hounds of morkai...

**BrianDavion**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I mean if it means space marines have 8 discount boxes I'm ok with this!

Of course you are ok with Space Marines having 8 discount boxes, when other armies have none.

of course you immediatly see this as some sort of "denial to other armies"

it must be tiresome carrying all that envy around. Might wanna drop it.

**Dudeface**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I mean if it means space marines have 8 discount boxes I'm ok with this!

Of course you are ok with Space Marines having 8 discount boxes, when other armies have none.

I supposed all those start collecting boxes for other factions are something I imagined. Right?

**BrianDavion**

Dudeface wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I mean if it means space marines have 8 discount boxes I'm ok with this!

Of course you are ok with Space Marines having 8 discount boxes, when other armies have none.

I supposed all those start collecting boxes for other factions are something I imagined. Right?

these are combat patrol boxes after all, it's hardly a zero sum game. it doesn't get any ahrder for GW to shove some Orks in a box because they've shoved some intercessors in a box.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Dudeface wrote:
I supposed all those start collecting boxes for other factions are something I imagined. Right?

I didn't say no other factions had any. I said some other factions had none. Show me the Start Collecting Sisters of Battle box, for instance.

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BrianDavion wrote:
it must be tiresome carrying all that envy around.

Yeah I sure would love it if GW removed the need for it!

**JWBS**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
I supposed all those start collecting boxes for other factions are something I imagined. Right?

I didn't say no other factions had any. I said some other factions had none. Show me the Start Collecting Sisters of Battle box, for instance.

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BrianDavion wrote:
it must be tiresome carrying all that envy around.

Yeah I sure would love it if GW removed the need for it!

You aren't crying loud enough, GW can't hear you.

**Irbis**

Why GW keeps pushing Aggressors? You'd really think BA would prefer Inceptors. ETB box killed sales that much?

Please observe rule 1

**Agamemnon2**

Anyone expecting GW to consistently give a tuppenny cuddle about any non-Marine factions at this point is just setting themselves for disappointment. It does happen - Necrons are evidence of this - but it's so rare and inconsistent that you might as well not bother.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Irbis wrote:
You should buy glasses because other armies have 30+ start collecting sets which are vastly better deal than the garbage patrol boxes.

Where is the Sisters of Battle 30+ Start Collecting sets that are vastly better deal than the garbage patrol boxes?

**Super Ready**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Where is the Sisters of Battle 30+ Start Collecting sets that are vastly better deal than the garbage patrol boxes?

Only one example, for an army that only had its refresh a year ago, meaning GW are probably still keen to get people buying the boxes at full price. It's not exactly evidence of "Marine favouritism", if anything it would be evidence of Sisters discrimination.
Do you have any other examples?

**Sunny Side Up**

Well, we've seen the new Sisters Palatine model

Spoiler:

Seems almost a given she'll be in either a Christmas bundle or, more probably, a "Combat Patrol" released with a new Sisters Codex.

**Not Online!!!**

Super Ready wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Where is the Sisters of Battle 30+ Start Collecting sets that are vastly better deal than the garbage patrol boxes?

Only one example, for an army that only had its refresh a year ago, meaning GW are probably still keen to get people buying the boxes at full price. It's not exactly evidence of "Marine favouritism", if anything it would be evidence of Sisters discrimination.
Do you have any other examples?

no other faction beyond SM + colours have more then 1 box. that was oxayotls point. allbeit you COULD argue that CSM with DG, TS and CSM are just as much one faction. however they don't share one dex unlike the now consolidated SM, depends upon your counting off Supplements.

Still neither Orks nor Tyranids, etc have more then 1 box for a subaction.

**JWBS**

They've only had a consolidated book for six minutes though, so what's even the point of saying that aside from discrediting you and your argument as disingenuous?

/also - Guard has two.

**Not Online!!!**

JWBS wrote:
They've only had a consolidated book for six minutes though, so what's even the point of saying that aside from discrediting you and your argument as disingenuous?

GW lists ALL of these under one , their wholly own, category. which would , technically, qualify for asking the question IF there should've been one baseline box instead.

**JWBS**

So a technicality of categorisation? Ok.

**Not Online!!!**

JWBS wrote:
So a technicality of categorisation? Ok.

like i said, depends upon you counting and GW.
Never stated it was my opinion.

Frankly i think the Combat patrol boxes are a step backwards, for all custommers, so that isn't a release i'd be happy with and it is a developpment that will expand further, which is a step back for all factions. (the old SC's were easier to buy multiple for expanding allready existing options, this is a box that you buy once and then are pretty done for usefullness. some SC's also kinda suffered from this soo yeah, still the pricepoint is probably intended that players are more likely to weigh up oppurtunity cost and buy full release other boxes instead of multiple discount boxes, meaning more £$CHF for GW.)

Sm just , as allways, get the first of these new buissness models thrown at.

**Sunny Side Up**

Not Online!!! wrote:
JWBS wrote:
They've only had a consolidated book for six minutes though, so what's even the point of saying that aside from discrediting you and your argument as disingenuous?

GW lists ALL of these under one , their wholly own, category. which would , technically, qualify for asking the question IF there should've been one baseline box instead.

They are still separate books though.

Why should a book not qualify for a box to go with it, just because it says "Codex Supplement" instead of "Codex" on the cover?

If anything, you probably need a deeper/more committed pool of customers for a (sub-)faction to sell "Codex + Codex Supplement (+ Starter box)" than to sell "Codex (+ Starter box)", as the entry barrier is higher.

**Not Online!!!**

or, you are deciding on cashing in on the factions that get's picked up the fastest and expand the requirements for more miliking of that custommer base..

whatever it is, i don't think these new combat patroll boxes are an improvement out of a custommer perspective AND retail.

**JWBS**

Personally I don't think the new boxes are such terrible value, having already had my fill of the old SC boxes I'm looking forward to the new variation of discounts provided by CP boxes (whether they are worse value or not is debatable). I do think they're looking slightly worse for new players though, and I also suspect that GW's booming success over the past few years has been tied to their higher-than-usual value offerings for new customers / people starting new games and armies, so I do question the move a bit. I don't think these particular boxes are the most egregious thing they've ever done, so in a way it's kind of funny seeing the vitriol (does anyone remember when you couldn't get a discount on literally anything they sold, like, ever? Is that just me that remembers this??). I do have to look sideways at their obvious price creep over the last year nonetheless.

**spiralingcadaver**

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Why should a book not qualify for a box to go with it, just because it says "Codex Supplement" instead of "Codex" on the cover?

Because they're the same models? Currently other than the SW character, I believe all of the previewed marine forces are 100% legal with any chapter.

HQ + big thing + troops could cover all of these armies, could be made universal. The only chapter-specific parts are their lazy little upgrade sprues.

**Dudeface**

spiralingcadaver wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Why should a book not qualify for a box to go with it, just because it says "Codex Supplement" instead of "Codex" on the cover?
Because they're the same models? Currently other than the SW character, I believe all of the previewed marine forces are 100% legal with any chapter.

HQ + big thing + troops could cover all of these armies, could be made universal. The only chapter-specific parts are their lazy little upgrade sprues.

These aren't aimed at people with big existing armies, they're aimed at people starting a force for the first time. Going into the store saying "I like blood angels, I want to start playing at a small points level, I'll buy that combat patrol box".

Boom, the buy a book, they get models with parts for their book, they have a starting force that is different from someone who did the same with the space wolves book.

It's really not some evil, lazy horrid marketing scheme, it makes sense. People aren't able to see this because they're so used to being an experienced hobbyist trying to milk value out of start up products.