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 Overread wrote:
We all knew that not every Xenos was going to get the full works rebuild that Necrons got in terms of new model support. If anything DE aren't in that bad a spot model wise compared to, say, Craftworld Eldar who sorely need a big Necron sized update.

It's a shame DE don't seem to be getting many if any new toys to play with, but a working Codex means getting to use the toys you do have and getting to use them in new ways and perhaps even refocus your army in a new direction and buy some models you don't yet own (or buy more of them for a theme).


Plus don't forget GW is today far more open to drip feeding out models as well as a big releases. DE might not get anything new now, but in a few months they might get some drip fed out new models to pick up.

They have a thing for releasing new models which dont exist with codex rules. The fact that the codex is dropping seems a strong indicator they have no interestin in any models anytime soon.

Could be wrong...


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Sunny Side Up wrote:

Either/Or wrote:
It’s really extra sleaze to announce the dark eldar book and campaign book with extra dark eldar rules at the same preview! All the new rules should just be in the codex.

Well, they started down that train with Marine supplements, getting, say, Space Wolves players to buy two books, instead of one. So why not make everybody buy two books would be the obvious question the sales guys would be asking

Yep..

Sigvald looks...OK. I would love to try get both models, new and old, and try to fiddle with them: give the new Sigvald his older, non daemonic head. The pose is also rather meh. And the base looks too large for such a delicate model.

Necromunda is pure bs. "Let's give everyone units that are hot headed and can, in one way or another, fly" Derp.The other ones look quite derp as well. In fact, I think that the first wave of the new Necromunda is (was?) miles better than the new one.

LOTR Treebeard looks amazing. But hey, what else can you expect when you get managers who are actually passionate about the game and actually show up playing it, not just hiring a random intern who does something over his lunch break.

And 40k... I don't even want to get involved into it, but the whole idea of "this supplement will have rules for Dark Eldar" and "hey, we are also releasing a Dark Eldar codex" with not a single mention about whether Codex will have the supplement's rules included is just a dick move beyond everything.

 TalonZahn wrote:
I'm just glad the test model (Sigvald) for the Resurrection of Sanguinius looks good.

Should be an interesting 2021.

Please no. Don't even joke about that. Whatever integrity the remaining creators of 40k have left will be chucked out the window if they do that.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Either/Or wrote:
It’s really extra sleaze to announce the dark eldar book and campaign book with extra dark eldar rules at the same preview! All the new rules should just be in the codex.

Well, they started down that train with Marine supplements, getting, say, Space Wolves players to buy two books, instead of one. So why not make everybody buy two books would be the obvious question the sales guys would be asking

All those Marines need to be in a singular codex. Y'all wanted extra rules, and you got your wish.

 CragHack wrote:

And 40k... I don't even want to get involved into it, but the whole idea of "this supplement will have rules for Dark Eldar" and "hey, we are also releasing a Dark Eldar codex" with not a single mention about whether Codex will have the supplement's rules included is just a dick move beyond everything.

Um, yeah. That's a good one. By the looks of it, every faction will [strike]get[/strike] need at least 2 books. It's like that for Space Wolves and Dark, and apparently for everyone else too.

Regarding the new Dark Angel codex they mentioned inducting units into the deathwing. Hopefully this means we can have actual deathwing heavy intercessors for those wanting to only use new models. The Space marine heroes 2 terminators fit with primaris size models but there is no model among them with a standard Sgt load out to be able to easily make enbigend terminators.

Those are a few great looking models, like the Slaanesh stuff, LOVE the Chaos warband. Those are some seriously good looking Chaos Warriors. But unfortunately I don´t collect AoS, so I´m left with getting to buy a Vigilus style campaign book before I even know what will be in my new Codex. That´s a dirty money grab and I won´t be getting it, this soured me on the Crusade book too so I´ll skip that one as well.

Those new Van Saar Hoverboard guys just look extremely silly and uninspired at the same time. Generic poses with a miniature that doesn't really have any stand-out features, stuck on a huge comical hoverboard. There are so many serious and more interesting directions they could have gone with for them, even something that was more like actual wings like the old Yeld Spyrer used to have combined with the insect-like theme would have been good. Even turning the hoverboard into a sort of flying exosuit would have been interesting.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Nice to see all the additional stuff in the background of the preview, as it means the Slaanesh release will actually be pretty substantial and not just a hero and one new kit.

I hope so. Maybe be there will be another kit that makes two different models: Bellydancer-fighter and Mortal Archers, to mimic the Underworlds release.

And then Slaangors. We need those. It'd be fun if they were the "big" minis, mirroring the one from Underwords in that they're kind of like Blight Knights or those need Tree people. Or Wraithguard sized, if you want to put it in the context of 40k. In other words, not just another Beastmen kit.

Yeah....I would love a light infantry kit that could use bows/glaives like the Underworlds band. Slaangors look to be pretty big if those are indeed what are pictured in that screenshot from the video (which it appears is very, very likely). I definitely agree that they need to be bigger to differentiate them from another beastmen kit, and it looks like they will be! I'm pretty excited to see what the full mortal army looks like after we get the whole thing revealed.

Four hoverboards is just too much imo. I can get on board (ha) with one or two, especially if there were something extra added instead of just a ganger on a board (maybe a ganger with a lance, or some other sort of weaponry that necessitates a mobile platform), but four hoverboarders in a gang of less than a dozen people is ott imo.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
There are so many serious and more interesting directions they could have gone with for them, even something that was more like actual wings like the old Yeld Spyrer used to have combined with the insect-like theme would have been good.

Except there already is a (currently lacking a model) Van Saar character with that exact loadout. It's being presumably saved for him, and the Spyrers I'd guess.

Christmas is saved there's officially nothing to buy

Nice models though.

I'd also like to point out what a hilariously cheesy-lametastic name for a planet "Metalica" is.

 Esmer wrote:
I'd also like to point out what a hilariously cheesy-lametastic name for a planet "Metalica" is.

Only if you connect it with the 90's metal band, rather than the Latin.

 Esmer wrote:

 CragHack wrote:

And 40k... I don't even want to get involved into it, but the whole idea of "this supplement will have rules for Dark Eldar" and "hey, we are also releasing a Dark Eldar codex" with not a single mention about whether Codex will have the supplement's rules included is just a dick move beyond everything.

Um, yeah. That's a good one. By the looks of it, every faction will [strike]get[/strike] need at least 2 books. It's like that for Space Wolves and Dark, and apparently for everyone else too.

Well my necrons are just fine with 1

 Esmer wrote:
I'd also like to point out what a hilariously cheesy-lametastic name for a planet "Metalica" is.

It's been around a long time.

It's not unique to GW either. Similar naming conventions exist elsewhere. When Bon Jovina invaded Metallicand (or was it the other way around?), it was a very messy war.

 Esmer wrote:
I'd also like to point out what a hilariously cheesy-lametastic name for a planet "Metalica" is.

Metalica has been a planet in the 40k galaxy for as long as 40k has been a thing.

Just don't go looking for Wazzdakka's base of operations, or the planet where Murderfang was found.

Well I must admit, I am massively disappointed but also unsurprised.

They have released 2 codexes and are already releasing bloody supplements to the game with "extra rules". More bulk to the game, more overpriced books and more extra little rules to consider - at a premium cost.

I swear half the time I think GW prefers the idea of being a book shop rather than a mini manufacturer.

It was often said that books are loss-leaders in wargaming but I am starting to wonder if GW moving printing to china didnt turn them into actual cash-cows seeing how many supplement books we've been seeing. Maybe it's just cheaper and easier than producing new models? No like they spend that much on playtesting any of it...

Man, Van Saar feels like it's deeply fething with the technology lore of 40k to sell models.

Kinda like Primaris!

I don't see anything in the article - did they say on the stream when these two controversial books are due to be released?

And at least we now know it's going to be DE as the first Xenos book of 2021 - that's a starting point.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Well, they started down that train with Marine supplements, getting, say, Space Wolves players to buy two books, instead of one. So why not make everybody buy two books would be the obvious question the sales guys would be asking

All those Marines need to be in a singular codex. Y'all wanted extra rules, and you got your wish.

No, Slayer, what BA/DA/DW/SW players would probably have preferred is what they've had for (in three cases at least) a good 20+ years now, aside from a minor diversion in early 3rd - their own full Codex, not a supplement to the general SM book.

 TalonZahn wrote:
I'm just glad the test model (Sigvald) for the Resurrection of Sanguinius looks good.

Should be an interesting 2021.

They are going to bring back sanguine? That would be a nice plastic set.

I hope there's a fulgrim plastic set. I need a large snake lower torso to try and build a Shaktari for d&d...

Morathi is too slender...

Sf

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
Man, Van Saar feels like it's deeply fething with the technology lore of 40k to sell models.

Kinda like Primaris!

Not with these. Hoverboards go back to the beginning of 40k (though they looked more like surfboards in RT)
The energy shields, plasma weapons are a bit gratuitous, but that's been true of a LOT of stuff in new necromunda.

Cronch wrote:
It was often said that books are loss-leaders in wargaming but I am starting to wonder if GW moving printing to china didnt turn them into actual cash-cows seeing how many supplement books we've been seeing. Maybe it's just cheaper and easier than producing new models? No like they spend that much on playtesting any of it...

Necron and SM codex were printed in Britain. Whatever reason, they've shifted printing back. (At least temporarily)

Cronch wrote:
It was often said that books are loss-leaders in wargaming but I am starting to wonder if GW moving printing to china didnt turn them into actual cash-cows seeing how many supplement books we've been seeing. Maybe it's just cheaper and easier than producing new models? No like they spend that much on playtesting any of it...

My Marine & Necron codex were printed in the UK (according to the back).

It would be really nice if they could of shown some new Dark Eldar models.

Grotesques are long overdue an update.
Nobody can actually make a squad out of that one old resin/metal model.

Seems to me that the supplement is to tie in with the new "Lt" minis for various factions plus whatever new Marine models come out with it.

Remember that Vigilus-style Specialist Detachments are no longer tournament legal and were not going to be published in the army books.

Would not be shocked if that's what is present in the campaign book.

Absolutely in love with the new Sigvald model. His face wasn't beautiful enough on the old model imo, but this new one is perfection! I hope we get some more male heads that are beautiful rather than butch, this really shows GW are capable of it.

Love the new Slaanesh units, hate the twinsouls heads. I wish they just had normal faces or demonic faces rather than looking like a weird version of those angry sylvaneth (can't remember the name off the top of my head). I'll probably just give them the helmets, or swap them out for daemonette or sisters of slaughter heads.

On the whole the overall look is great and I cant wait to see what the other things in the background are!

Hopefully we'll get to see the new Lelith model soon.

 dan2026 wrote:
It would be really nice if they could of shown some new Dark Eldar models.

Grotesques are long overdue an update.
Nobody can actually make a squad out of that one old resin/metal model.

Better not to expect more than the sc that was　previewed. Codexes don't always bring lots of models. Most are 1 or none.

tneva82 wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
It would be really nice if they could of shown some new Dark Eldar models.

Grotesques are long overdue an update.
Nobody can actually make a squad out of that one old resin/metal model.

Better not to expect more than the sc that was　previewed. Codexes don't always bring lots of models. Most are 1 or none.

Apart from the fact, historically; that is completely untrue...

8th was an exception, of get every codex out the door. Rush, rush! Traditional codex releases are big "event" type affairs with new models galore. AoS still does it this way, 40k did it that way prior to 8th. Nothing says that won't change as much of the groundwork is done.