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I remember when the land raider came out it was like the most awesome tank on the field. You just put the model on the table and cue mike jackson singing "You know I'm bad, i'm bad, i'm really really bad!"

Now I don't remember the last time i saw a LR in a betrep video.

It's all gone to repulsors, impulsors, this pulsor, that pulsor.

Does anyone still use land raiders in their SM armies? Just curious. It;'s been so long since i saw on in a video.

Land Raiders spent 7th on the shelf due to easy access to D-weapons, 8th on the shelf due to the "tag no more shooting!" problem and to being horrendously overpriced for most of it, and are probably going to spend 9th on the shelf due to damage inflation.

I still use them in 30k.

When you say came out do you men historic or locally?

I saw some LR in 5th. They where very though. One forge world variant was indestructible.

6th edition flyers where better as you only hit them on a 6.

Come 8th edition and knights are the meta. All armies try to kill a knight with shooting. A landraider dies to that. In 9th I expect a lot of the same.

Each time I start thinking about LR transporting a unit of paladins or termintors, I get this idea that I could just get an extra unit of them instead of the land raider and get more bang for my buck. But maybe someone has a way to use them very efficiently.

I'll be getting one eventually for my firstborn blood angels. My primaris chapter would take one if they could fit inside. I dislike that you can get terminators inside a land raider but not intercessors. Feels bad.

I prefer the heavy track look for Imperial forces over anti-grav.

I still use them but I don't mind being seen as dumb for using old stuff.

I mean look how much they cost now ?!?! Using a land raider shows you are a man of true taste. More than one means you are the don juan of 40k.

As already mentioned, the problem is that for some reason they're not compatible with primaris dudes.

Personally, I love land raiders and fully intend to buy one for my / my son's burgeoning Salamanders army. Along with a squad of terminators to stick in it.

I stopped having a use for them after they lost the assault vehicle rule. that was... what 8th edition?

I use one occasionally!

It may not count as it's also half baneblade, covered in scrap armour, and I use it as a killtank...

I've got Land Raiders in the following forces;
1st Co/Deathwing,
Mentor Legion,
Iron Warriors
Should the day come when I pull these out of storage of course I'll field their LRs!

I'm currently running Necrons, SW, & the occasional SoB list. Two of them can't access LRs, & it won't fit the theme of my SWs....

I'm having good success with a DG Landraider full of Deathshrouds with DR and 5++ bell relic behind it.

Not tournament material, but definitely a better investment of those points than Mortarion.

I do, but I admit I don't have any primaris models and I'll never buy any of those, I'll only stick my my 5th-7th SW collection of models as long as I can. I also admit that I don't play SW vs imperium and I know that LRs are pretty bad against other SM.

LR crusader was a staple in my 8th lists, now it doesn't see the table everytime but it's still a decent way to carry 15 Blood Claws and mulch infantries offs objectives. I've always considered the crusader as the only LR with some purpose, at least for my army.

Sadly it's the Stormwolf/Stormfang gunship that has been shelved, the +110 points price hike was insane. LRs at least kept their 8th points cost, going up just by 10ish points I think.

Crispy78 wrote:
As already mentioned, the problem is that for some reason they're not compatible with primaris dudes.

Personally, I love land raiders and fully intend to buy one for my / my son's burgeoning Salamanders army. Along with a squad of terminators to stick in it.

For SW that is not nesaseraly a problem. Blood claws are mean in the charge. And grey hunters are good enough to compare with ingressors. Vs assualt ingressors they are a bit worse, but they have shooting to compensate. Wolf guards are always good, but 2 points for a jump pack is better.

I use one for my Iron Warriors in crusade.

It desperately just needs T9 in my personal opinion. No invuln or extra wounds. just T9.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Using a land raider shows you are a man of true taste. More than one means you are the don juan of 40k.

More like the Don Quixote...

Played a tournament a while back (say 2 or so months). There where a few land raiders there.

GW gave their design space to other units as they rushed more models out the door the drive sales. Shame as land raiders and rhinos are iconic.

 Matt Swain wrote:
I remember when the land raider came out it was like the most awesome tank on the field. You just put the model on the table and cue mike jackson singing "You know I'm bad, i'm bad, i'm really really bad!"

Now I don't remember the last time i saw a LR in a betrep video.

It's all gone to repulsors, impulsors, this pulsor, that pulsor.

Does anyone still use land raiders in their SM armies? Just curious. It;'s been so long since i saw on in a video.

Land Raiders haven't been good for like 4 editions now.
[Also, the Repulsor isn't that good now either they have similar problems though the repulsor less so]

That said, I've got a redeemer in my Grey Knights army for killing marine targets.


The land raider has several problems.
Its poorly armed for its size and cost, after all a Predator for half the price [which is already overcosted] can carry the same number of lascannon shots [and actually had more in other editions, so you don't usually want to take the land raider as a tank-tank.
Its transport shtick is terminators, but terminators natively deep strike so they transport themselves, and a rhino or pod can taxi anything else either better [pod] or cheaper [rhino]

And really those two problems are why it was bad in 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th and is still bad in 9th. Its never been well armed because its primarily a transport but with terminators haveing native deep strike there's no need for in to transport anything.

8e gave it a massive boost in firepower, effectively doubling it, but also stripped away a lot of its toughness [along with other formerly AV14 vehicle like the Leman Russ], but that doesn't change the basic mathematics that its a transport with nothing to transport and the guns of a tank worth half its price.



The repulsor has the same problem of being poorly armed for how expensive it is, but it can at least succeed as a transport because primaris don't transport themselves like terminators do [until every sm chapter got outflank or deep strike as a stratagem].


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As for how to fix it, you can't, because its armament is so unextraordinary its basically always going to be a more expensive predator / devastator squad.

While translating av14 t14 to t8 was dumb, and while av14 vehicles should have been like t10 or t9 and vehicle armor saves are implemented so poorly that they might as well not be a thing, moving the land raider up won't help it, because it just doesn't have firepower.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
As for how to fix it, you can't, because its armament is so unextraordinary its basically always going to be a more expensive predator / devastator squad.

The obvious solution is to replace its bog-standard twin-lascannons with "Land Raider Heavy Lascannon Arrays" with much better damage output but without needing to change the model at all.

I've used them in my WE at the tail end of 8th. Put 2 in for funzies. It was mediocre at best. Haven't played them in 9th yet.

It still has the same problem as it did in previous editions, wanting to do too many things at the same time.

As an assault transport, it's neither particularly fast, nor does it have the ability to allow units to deploy after the vehicle moves first. It's toughness isn't terrible but for what it costs you'll have every multi-melta gunning for you and have it destroyed before you can get your unit inside where it wants to be.

As fire support, its guns aren't bad but it's not cost-efficient enough or have enough rate of fire for it to do anything that other units don't do already.

It's the classic issue of a "jack of all trades" unit that costs too much for what it can do in other roles, and if it did cost too little it would invalidate the specialists in the army.

I use mine! granted, I've only played one game of 9th edition so far with my Space Marines.

It's still damned tough. I like to drive it into the middle of the table with an assault unit in it, to hold the Centre of the board. Worked well enough in my last game (kept my unit alive, and held the middle of the table for a couple of turns)

 Matt Swain wrote:
I remember when the land raider came out it was like the most awesome tank on the field. You just put the model on the table and cue mike jackson singing "You know I'm bad, i'm bad, i'm really really bad!"

Now I don't remember the last time i saw a LR in a betrep video.

It's all gone to repulsors, impulsors, this pulsor, that pulsor.

Does anyone still use land raiders in their SM armies? Just curious. It;'s been so long since i saw on in a video.

Well tabletop titans are having literally right now as I write space wolves vs CWE tanksgiving special. Wolves have at least one land raider.

Duskweaver wrote:

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Using a land raider shows you are a man of true taste. More than one means you are the don juan of 40k.

More like the Don Quixote...

Nah, Sancho Panza instead

Duskweaver wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
As for how to fix it, you can't, because its armament is so unextraordinary its basically always going to be a more expensive predator / devastator squad.

The obvious solution is to replace its bog-standard twin-lascannons with "Land Raider Heavy Lascannon Arrays" with much better damage output but without needing to change the model at all.

this would work.


I haven't used one in 9th but that is due to not playing my Salamanders yet. Otherwise, my helios is often on the field when the 18th hits the table.

Land Raiders are always fun to use. Fight me IRL.

 Duskweaver wrote:

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Using a land raider shows you are a man of true taste. More than one means you are the don juan of 40k.

More like the Don Quixote...

40k already has one of those.

I would buy and use them since they look so cool and I love big tanks, but yeah they are objectively bad. Not "this unit doesn't see play in tournaments so it must be terrible" but really even in casual play it just pays way too much for what it does. The firepower of a predator for twice the cost without twice the durability, questionable transport for units that can already DS. I'm just not seeing it and that's a shame, because I love the model.

Racerguy180 wrote:
Nah, Sancho Panza instead

Now I want to name my one and only Land Raider 'Sancho Panzer'.

 Duskweaver wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
Nah, Sancho Panza instead

Now I want to name my one and only Land Raider 'Sancho Panzer'.

I can get behind this!

My old spikey Land Raider hasn't seen much use for a while, but my Achilles was a lot of fun in 7th and it looks like it'll be fun again with the changes to its rules. Can't wait to load it up with some combi-plasma Chosen and go melt some Loyalist Scum.