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 Sasori wrote:
Can't speak for Space Marines, but nearly every single unit in the 9th edition Necrons got point adjustments from CA2020.

As in, the codex values were different from CA2020? If so then clearly I wasn't paying enough attention, my bad.

 catbarf wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Can't speak for Space Marines, but nearly every single unit in the 9th edition Necrons got point adjustments from CA2020.

As in, the codex values were different from CA2020? If so then clearly I wasn't paying enough attention, my bad.

yes, significantly so in many instances. I've edited my post to make it a bit more clear, I can see how my wording can be confusing.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
Uh huh. Suuuuuuuure they have.

This is where you can actually hear the Emperor's Children and World Eaters players roll their eyes.

Be careful what you whish for. Getting your own codex also means absolutely zero support and updates or any participation in any of the campaigns for over 3 years. Oh, and you lose halve your model range when the new edition comes around.

I feel literally zero sadness for DG. They’re really not in a bad spot even currently.

I DO actually feel bad for Tau. I was gonna say I feel bad for eldar but soup is a thing even if you don’t choose to partake.

Tau are straight up hot garbage that can literally not compete in 9th missions. We have no idea when they might get a new codex, and it’s looking like it won’t be soon.

Quasistellar wrote:
I feel literally zero sadness for DG. They’re really not in a bad spot even currently.

I DO actually feel bad for Tau. I was gonna say I feel bad for eldar but soup is a thing even if you don’t choose to partake.

Tau are straight up hot garbage that can literally not compete in 9th missions. We have no idea when they might get a new codex, and it’s looking like it won’t be soon.

I just have zero tau how to fix tau in 9th. Shooting armies of all types are not doing well in this edition.


That being said, DG have the oldest codex in 40K. Just for variety reasons they needed updating. They got their codex at the beginning of 8th.

 Jidmah wrote:

Bob Lorgar wrote:
Uh huh. Suuuuuuuure they have.

This is where you can actually hear the Emperor's Children and World Eaters players roll their eyes.

Be careful what you whish for. Getting your own codex also means absolutely zero support and updates or any participation in any of the campaigns for over 3 years. Oh, and you lose halve your model range when the new edition comes around.

Since we have exactly three and only three kits anymore (Lord of Battles, Kharn, and Berzerkers) and our only infantry kit is about 22 years old now, I think us World Eaters passed "absolutely zero support" a long, long, long time ago. I would kill for the "absolutely zero support" either the Death Guard or Thousand Sons have had. And the Emperor's Children are in an even worse state. As far as I'm concerned, no Death Guard player has any right to complain about anything at all for at least the next decade.

 Jidmah wrote:

Bob Lorgar wrote:
Uh huh. Suuuuuuuure they have.

This is where you can actually hear the Emperor's Children and World Eaters players roll their eyes.

Be careful what you whish for. Getting your own codex also means absolutely zero support and updates or any participation in any of the campaigns for over 3 years. Oh, and you lose halve your model range when the new edition comes around.

You act like that isn't a straight upgrade from how normal CSM are treated lol.

 Jidmah wrote:

Bob Lorgar wrote:
Uh huh. Suuuuuuuure they have.

This is where you can actually hear the Emperor's Children and World Eaters players roll their eyes.

Be careful what you whish for. Getting your own codex also means absolutely zero support and updates or any participation in any of the campaigns for over 3 years. Oh, and you lose halve your model range when the new edition comes around.

What an absurd statement. Good luck finding a DG player unhappy with their treatment over the last 3.5 years

Bob Lorgar wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Bob Lorgar wrote:
Uh huh. Suuuuuuuure they have.

This is where you can actually hear the Emperor's Children and World Eaters players roll their eyes.

Be careful what you whish for. Getting your own codex also means absolutely zero support and updates or any participation in any of the campaigns for over 3 years. Oh, and you lose halve your model range when the new edition comes around.

Since we have exactly three and only three kits anymore (Lord of Battles, Kharn, and Berzerkers) and our only infantry kit is about 22 years old now, I think us World Eaters passed "absolutely zero support" a long, long, long time ago. I would kill for the "absolutely zero support" either the Death Guard or Thousand Sons have had. And the Emperor's Children are in an even worse state. As far as I'm concerned, no Death Guard player has any right to complain about anything at all for at least the next decade.

Two codices, two campaign books, multiple new model releases and some updated models is not zero support, sorry.

Between the codex release in September 2017 and War of the Spider in June 2020 the only things DG received were bolter discipline and hateful assault.

Not to mention the hole notion of "DG don't deserve..." is just childish behavior.


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 Marshal Loss wrote:
What an absurd statement. Good luck finding a DG player unhappy with their treatment over the last 3.5 years

Yeah, how absurd.
Do you remember how happy DG players were when pox walkers were nerfed into the ground because of chaos soup?
Do you remember how happy DG players were to get absolutely nothing out of Vigilus despite being a major party in the conflict those books were describing?
Do you remember how happy DG players were when none of the Shadowspear units were made available to them, while all of the marine units were made available to every snowflake chapter?
Do you remember how happy DG players were when the only faction with less stratagems was assassins?

Yes, war of the spider was totally awesome, but it was released 1 month before the end of the edition, and up until then, getting rolled back into Codex:CSM and losing all their warlord traits, stratagems and psychic powers in exchange for getting the generic stuff would have been all upside to them.

 Jidmah wrote:
Yeah, how absurd.

Don't be so painfully obtuse. None of the points you listed come anywhere close to eclipsing what DG have received since being fleshed out as a book independent of vanilla CSM. Implying that EC or WE fans would lose anything of tangible value as a result of similar treatment is patently absurd.

Bob Lorgar wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/12/23/an-update-on-warhammer-releases-in-2021/

Nurgle, bless ’em, they have waited a long time…

Uh huh. Suuuuuuuure they have.

This is where you can actually hear the Emperor's Children and World Eaters players roll their eyes.

Strange, I don't recall those factions having a Codex release month announced, and then postponed for... reasons.

Oh, wait, they're still in the main CSM book, and enjoying the... well... "benefits" of such a position.

How're those Greater Possessed and Venomcrawlers doing for you, Bob?

That's fething hilarious. I own most of a DG army without even trying to collect it. GW literally giving away a full and expansive range of contemporary models almost for free. Can hardly get away from them. Quite right Jidmah, quite right. How can any World Eater player even think about comparing their releases to DG when they have this absolute beauty to base their army on?


You are correct Sir.We need more DG first and foremost, and only then should we start maybe thinking about possibly chucking WE collectors a bone (though in all honestly I think they have too much already and we should probably just delete the Berzerker kit rather than update it).

DG and WE support somewhat comparable. lol

Jidmah is probably right about World Eaters and Emperor's Children losing some things if they got their own codexes though. Although they would probably gain their own terminators, daemon engines and the like, they would also probably lose many of the "vanilla" CSM units. So probably no Havocs for World Eaters, and no Raptors (and possibly Warp Talons) for either, along with many of the Undivided daemon engines, just like Death Guard. It's up to World Eaters and Emperor's Children players whether or not that's a good trade off or not.

Personally, I hope we do see a return to the way gw handled the Legions in 3.5 and Traitor Legions, where everyone can't have everything, and get away from the bland grey paste gw has made the Legions for most of the game since the release of the horrid 4th edition CSM codex.

I do have to laugh at the idea that CSM got two codexes in 8th though. Calling C:CSM "2" a new codex is like calling a 97 Corolla with a new pair of fuzzy dice a new car. Gw actually telling CSM players who already owned the original 8th edition CSM codex not to buy it says it all....

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Jidmah is probably right about World Eaters and Emperor's Children losing some things if they got their own codexes though.

Of course. We all know that's going to happen when/if one or more of these factions is put into their own book. Doesn't make it any less absurd to say that EC or WE players should be "careful what they wish for" though. The downsides he lists as the price paid by the Death Guard for their vast model range + codex ("oh no, I wasn't in Vigilus!!11") sound perfectly reasonable to me. As an EC player I'd happily lose access to everything DG lost if that were the price for a dedicated model range + codex, and I cannot for the life of me imagine any EC or WE player anywhere who'd say "oh well I might lose my (insert unit here), I don't want to receive the DG treatment".

May be (just may be...) most of World Eaters and Emperor's Children players would like to have models
which are not decades old for their cult troops?

I know I do.

Not one plastic kit for regular Noise marines. (No the special edition one is not a squad)
The above kit for Khorne berserkers.

That sums up things pretty well for me.

I for one does not care about list options for competitive play this much,
I just do care about models I can use or not.

There are so much DG models out there I cannot remember them all.

Maybe it’s just me, but I much prefer the smaller unit roster in armies. Doing up a Death Guard army now, and it’s certainly a lot easier knowing what to get due to the smaller roster. Fast Attack is Myphitic Blight Haulers or Foetid Blight Drones, Heavy Support is Plagueburst Crawlers.
As opposed to my Primaris Blood Angels, where I have too many choices to try and stuff all the units I like in to my lists.

Maybe, we should keep this on topic and not make it a rant on how other chaos factions aren't treated as well as Death guard ?

Death guard gained things and lost them, other sub factions would be great to get their own books as well as new models to replace super dated ones.

That said, why are you all bashing on DG for that ? It isn't DG eating up all these release windows and keeping all the other chaos forces down. It's a little childish to spite DG for getting some attention just because your fav faction isn't it getting it when its hardly the fault of DG you don't get new models or even your own new book.

Unless I'm missing all of these numerous new kits that have been releasing for DG month on month since they dropped in early 8th till currently.

Death Guard lost WAY more than they gained.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Jidmah is probably right about World Eaters and Emperor's Children losing some things if they got their own codexes though.

Of course. We all know that's going to happen when/if one or more of these factions is put into their own book. Doesn't make it any less absurd to say that EC or WE players should be "careful what they wish for" though. The downsides he lists as the price paid by the Death Guard for their vast model range + codex ("oh no, I wasn't in Vigilus!!11") sound perfectly reasonable to me. As an EC player I'd happily lose access to everything DG lost if that were the price for a dedicated model range + codex, and I cannot for the life of me imagine any EC or WE player anywhere who'd say "oh well I might lose my (insert unit here), I don't want to receive the DG treatment".

Oh really? You must have missed all the pre-8th DG players rightfully complaining about essentially getting their entire army invalidated. If you are an EC/WE player right now, take a good look at you collection and then imagine how everything but the most basic CSM units (rhino, predators, helbrutes, chaos lords), your cult troops which you will want to re-buy anyways and d3 daemon engines will be illegal to play.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Jidmah is probably right about World Eaters and Emperor's Children losing some things if they got their own codexes though.

Of course. We all know that's going to happen when/if one or more of these factions is put into their own book. Doesn't make it any less absurd to say that EC or WE players should be "careful what they wish for" though. The downsides he lists as the price paid by the Death Guard for their vast model range + codex ("oh no, I wasn't in Vigilus!!11") sound perfectly reasonable to me. As an EC player I'd happily lose access to everything DG lost if that were the price for a dedicated model range + codex, and I cannot for the life of me imagine any EC or WE player anywhere who'd say "oh well I might lose my (insert unit here), I don't want to receive the DG treatment".

Oh really? You must have missed all the pre-8th DG players rightfully complaining about essentially getting their entire army invalidated. If you are an EC/WE player right now, take a good look at you collection and then imagine how everything but the most basic CSM units (rhino, predators, helbrutes, chaos lords), your cult troops which you will want to re-buy anyways and d3 daemon engines will be illegal to play.

I find that to be very hyperbolic. I've been playing DG since the end of 5th. I could play everything in 8th without a problem due to soup, it's harder in 9th due to CP costs but still not illegal. We even got Rapiers back as totally normal DG unit.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Death Guard lost WAY more than they gained.

Sorry, but even as one of the most cynical, anti-GW, bitter posters here that's just sounds silly even to me.

What exactly did they lose? Access to Bikers?

Becoming a standalone army ensures dedicated Death Guard releases and support well into the future, rather than just Chaos Space Marine units with +1 Toughness. They received a suite of uniquely DG-only characters, units and vehicles, as well as the accompanying rules and nevermind Morty.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Death Guard lost WAY more than they gained.

Hilarious.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Jidmah is probably right about World Eaters and Emperor's Children losing some things if they got their own codexes though.

Of course. We all know that's going to happen when/if one or more of these factions is put into their own book. Doesn't make it any less absurd to say that EC or WE players should be "careful what they wish for" though. The downsides he lists as the price paid by the Death Guard for their vast model range + codex ("oh no, I wasn't in Vigilus!!11") sound perfectly reasonable to me. As an EC player I'd happily lose access to everything DG lost if that were the price for a dedicated model range + codex, and I cannot for the life of me imagine any EC or WE player anywhere who'd say "oh well I might lose my (insert unit here), I don't want to receive the DG treatment".

Oh really? You must have missed all the pre-8th DG players rightfully complaining about essentially getting their entire army invalidated. If you are an EC/WE player right now, take a good look at you collection and then imagine how everything but the most basic CSM units (rhino, predators, helbrutes, chaos lords), your cult troops which you will want to re-buy anyways and d3 daemon engines will be illegal to play.

Yeah, really. Entire army invalidated? Don't be ridiculous. Many of the units (e.g. Bikers, Raptors, Warp Talons) weren't fluffy DG units to begin with; a bunch of tournament players moaning because they could no longer use T6 bikers isn't worth listening to. Those of us playing since 3rd edition are no strangers to such restrictions - or have you conveniently forgotten about that? Others (e.g. Terminators) were given direct replacements, and with a little converting could be made viable anyway. Sure, DG lost access to a few characters, Obliterators, and a handful of Daemon Engines. In exchange they gained access to a wider range of HQ choices than they lost access to, non-Nurgle SCs aside, and a range of Nurgle-specific daemon engines. Still want to use your old models? Play them as Purge in an allied detachment. Hell, more people have been playing Nurgle soup in tournaments than mono DG since 8th came out.

I'm not saying DG don't deserve attention, but the mental gymnastics attempting to say that DG players are somehow hard done by after all they have received since 8th dropped? Cry me a river.

"All they have received since 8th dropped"?

By all means, please do provide a list of everything they've gotten after the codex. Don't worry, it won't be much effort.

Just for the record, I said "be careful what you wish for", not "hope it doesn't happen". Go search this forum, many previous DG players clearly weren't happy about no longer being able to play their bikes, heldrakes, havocs(who even had sculpts), dinobots, vindicators, obliterators or warpsmiths. I'm fairly sure this would be the same for EC and WE players, especially when it comes to things like lord discordants, obliterators, havocs or possessed going away.

You also got the whole thing backwards. It's the EC and WE guys whining about how they have gotten nothing while DG were showered in greatness.
WE and EC got a lot new and good stuff over the course of 8th, more than almost every other army, but somehow all these new units, redone models, specialist detachments, relics, warlord traits, stratagems, daemon weapons, a battle box and BSF releases don't count because they aren't exclusive to their sub-faction.
So claiming that they have had it so much worse DG (who got exactly 0 things between codex and war of the spider), while benefiting from all the things CSM got plus the legion specific updates from faith and fury is nothing but hypocrisy.


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Sgt. Cortez wrote:
I find that to be very hyperbolic. I've been playing DG since the end of 5th. I could play everything in 8th without a problem due to soup, it's harder in 9th due to CP costs but still not illegal. We even got Rapiers back as totally normal DG unit.

Well, with the new codex, you will also be losing your unique DG army trait for playing your old units. This would be the same for every legion gaining their own codex.

 Jidmah wrote:
"All they have received since 8th dropped"?

By all means, please do provide a list of everything they've gotten after the codex. Don't worry, it won't be much effort.

You do know their full army release post-DI came after 8th dropped, right? Months after, in fact. I honestly can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse.

 Jidmah wrote:

You also got the whole thing backwards. It's the EC and WE guys whining about how they have gotten nothing while DG were showered in greatness.
WE and EC got a lot new and good stuff over the course of 8th, more than almost every other army, but somehow all these new units, redone models, specialist detachments, relics, warlord traits, stratagems, daemon weapons, a battle box and BSF releases don't count because they aren't exclusive to their sub-faction.
So claiming that they have had it so much worse DG (who got exactly 0 things between codex and war of the spider), while benefiting from all the things CSM got plus the legion specific updates from faith and fury is nothing but hypocrisy.

Ignoring the fact that I've only seen a single person on this thread complaining - hardly representative at all - you appear to be a tad confused. People want models. It's really that simple. EC and WE players can't enjoy their army's potential because they are stuck with either no kits whatsoever or a 20+ year old zerker kit. The F&F flavour was nice, certainly, although I'd also point out that it came over 2 years into 8th (late 2019) and not long before DG got WoTS (mid 2020, and likely only this late because of the pandemic). You're also glossing over how EC/WE getting new stratagems/warlord traits/relics simply puts them on par with DG in terms of content received, who already had these things in their own codex, and got further fleshed out in WoTS.

 Jidmah wrote:
So claiming that they have had it so much worse DG (who got exactly 0 things between codex and war of the spider), while benefiting from all the things CSM got plus the legion specific updates from faith and fury is nothing but hypocrisy.

Yes, saying that two subfactions with a single 20+ year old plastic troops choice between them are worse off than an army that got 20+ new plastic sets is hypocritical. The idea that DG being a part of the main CSM book would leave them in a better position is laughable.

I'll TLDR it for you to make it more manageable: EC & WE are far worse off than DG and you won't find a single player who wouldn't leap at the chance to receive the DG treatment, even if it means losing access to a few kits. DG players are not hard done by; pointing this out isn't a targeted attack on DG players. Hope this helps.

 Jidmah wrote:
Go search this forum, many previous DG players clearly weren't happy about no longer being able to play their bikes, heldrakes, havocs(who even had sculpts), dinobots, vindicators, obliterators or warpsmiths. I'm fairly sure this would be the same for EC and WE players, especially when it comes to things like lord discordants, obliterators, havocs or possessed going away.
.

People always have kneejerk reactions to major releases. It happens. Notice that no DG players (except yourself, apparently) bother even noting their inability to use bikes today. I'm sure there will be a handful of complainers if EC/WE lose access to some units, but the pros far outweigh the cons. Saying "be careful what you wish for" is as absurd now as it was when you originally posted it.

Anyway, per the post below, I'm not going to indulge your poorly-thought through contrarianism/victim complex any longer as it's irrelevant to the thread. Have a great Christmas.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Maybe, we should keep this on topic and not make it a rant on how other chaos factions aren't treated as well as Death guard ?

Death guard gained things and lost them, other sub factions would be great to get their own books as well as new models to replace super dated ones.

That said, why are you all bashing on DG for that ? It isn't DG eating up all these release windows and keeping all the other chaos forces down. It's a little childish to spite DG for getting some attention just because your fav faction isn't it getting it when its hardly the fault of DG you don't get new models or even your own new book.

Unless I'm missing all of these numerous new kits that have been releasing for DG month on month since they dropped in early 8th till currently.

I agree. Let's keep the rumor thread to Death Guard rumors and not pile on faction salt and spite here.

Come on guys keep your rants about your other factions not having enough love... and lets just agree on the basic concept that no matter what faction you collect you will always want more!
Point being this is a death guard thread for DG rants...

Right Im curious to see if the Plague marines will be the back bone of DG armies and not the drone spam or other similar heresy. I have a new unit this Christmas with the Space marines Heroes series3 and want to see how many points is that going to set me back. At this point not even concerned with optimal loadouts just the rule of cool for me please XD

My god Dakka loves an argument...

Abaddon303 wrote:
My god Dakka loves an argument...

Bitter rivalries between followers of the various chaos gods, with only mutual admiration for the amazing Abbadon model.

Seems legit, actually.

 Arbitrator wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Death Guard lost WAY more than they gained.

Sorry, but even as one of the most cynical, anti-GW, bitter posters here that's just sounds silly even to me.

What exactly did they lose? Access to Bikers?

Becoming a standalone army ensures dedicated Death Guard releases and support well into the future, rather than just Chaos Space Marine units with +1 Toughness. They received a suite of uniquely DG-only characters, units and vehicles, as well as the accompanying rules and nevermind Morty.

They lost their Raptors, Heldrakes, Obliterators, Havocs, Bikers, Mutilators, Chosen equivalent, Warpsmith, a new slew of units like the Greater Possessed, and FUN FACT TIME for you is they had all those things with the 7th Legion Codex.

Also most of those "DG Only" stuff are garbage with no purpose in game or are just worse versions of what already exist. Imagine the fact there are TWO separate characters that buff grenades, all for a fething gimmick! Oh, and and purpose for each of those Daemon engines were already held by the Forgefiend, Maulerfiend, and Heldrake, on top of the Drone already having a FW version to begin with.
The lengths people go to defend GW with separate codices for subfactions is pure masochism.


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 Marshal Loss wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Death Guard lost WAY more than they gained.

Hilarious.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Jidmah is probably right about World Eaters and Emperor's Children losing some things if they got their own codexes though.

Of course. We all know that's going to happen when/if one or more of these factions is put into their own book. Doesn't make it any less absurd to say that EC or WE players should be "careful what they wish for" though. The downsides he lists as the price paid by the Death Guard for their vast model range + codex ("oh no, I wasn't in Vigilus!!11") sound perfectly reasonable to me. As an EC player I'd happily lose access to everything DG lost if that were the price for a dedicated model range + codex, and I cannot for the life of me imagine any EC or WE player anywhere who'd say "oh well I might lose my (insert unit here), I don't want to receive the DG treatment".

Oh really? You must have missed all the pre-8th DG players rightfully complaining about essentially getting their entire army invalidated. If you are an EC/WE player right now, take a good look at you collection and then imagine how everything but the most basic CSM units (rhino, predators, helbrutes, chaos lords), your cult troops which you will want to re-buy anyways and d3 daemon engines will be illegal to play.

Yeah, really. Entire army invalidated? Don't be ridiculous. Many of the units (e.g. Bikers, Raptors, Warp Talons) weren't fluffy DG units to begin with; a bunch of tournament players moaning because they could no longer use T6 bikers isn't worth listening to. Those of us playing since 3rd edition are no strangers to such restrictions - or have you conveniently forgotten about that? Others (e.g. Terminators) were given direct replacements, and with a little converting could be made viable anyway. Sure, DG lost access to a few characters, Obliterators, and a handful of Daemon Engines. In exchange they gained access to a wider range of HQ choices than they lost access to, non-Nurgle SCs aside, and a range of Nurgle-specific daemon engines. Still want to use your old models? Play them as Purge in an allied detachment. Hell, more people have been playing Nurgle soup in tournaments than mono DG since 8th came out.

I'm not saying DG don't deserve attention, but the mental gymnastics attempting to say that DG players are somehow hard done by after all they have received since 8th dropped? Cry me a river.

Weren't fluffy in what sense? Mortarion hasn't done anything to lead the Death Guard for thousands of years, and you expect them to still say "Wow these Jump Packs are a no-no"?

Also wider range of HQ units? You mean the two Sorcerer models that act the same? Or the Terminator Lord that doesn't have the Lord aura unless you spend CP on it? Utterly pathetic.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Weren't fluffy in what sense? Mortarion hasn't done anything to lead the Death Guard for thousands of years, and you expect them to still say "Wow these Jump Packs are a no-no"?

Yeah, because the Legion shaped over the course of centuries by their Primarch in cultural/social/military terms - a father figure whom they literally worship as a preternatural saviour - is going to turn their back on his combat doctrine. Read Wraight's Lords of Silence for an illustration, or the short story Unification, which is probably an even better example. This is well-established lore - your regular tantrums over it don't make it any less true. DG not using e.g. jump or bike units is part of their theme.

In case you hadn't caught on, the 40k universe is a big place. Codexes (& rules in general) provide a snapshot which allow players to translate a theme onto the tabletop. Snapshots of this kind are always going to be approximations at best. Anybody who has ever read a 40k novel will inevitably spot characters or units that they can't 100% recreate on the tabletop. That has always been the case. I'm sure somewhere in 40k there are a few Death Guard Legionnaires struggling to get themselves off the ground with a jump pack. It's just not a trademark or typical DG unit, it doesn't fit the theme of the DG, and so isn't an option. I hope this thought brings you some comfort.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Also wider range of HQ units? You mean the two Sorcerer models that act the same? Or the Terminator Lord that doesn't have the Lord aura unless you spend CP on it?

I meant characters across both HQ & Elite slots, although I wasn't wrong re: HQ choices either. DG gained access to more characters than they lost. From the 6th/7th codex to 8th they lost Warpsmiths & Dark Apostles but gained Lords of Contagion + Malignant Plaguecasters + Noxious Blightbringers + Foul Blightspawns + Biologus Putrifiers + Plague Surgeons + Tallymen. Now in 9th we also get the Lord of Virulence. In case you were struggling, the number they gained is bigger than the number they lost.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Utterly pathetic.