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It's pretty strange, we have fluff that indicates that there are plenty of them who are Bad Moonz, etc, but this is disallowed. Was this changed at some point?

While they start off as part of a Clan, they quickly become mercenary Freebooterz to earn more teef.

Flash Gitz are orks who are so ostentatious with their kit and obnoxious with their attitude that they get run out by their own clan, whatever it might have been at one point. Freebooterz provide a way for them to get more shinies and more dakka, and are generally the only orks who'll put up with them (since a lot of them are also flash gitz)

Why they can't be hired by other factions is more of a mystery.
Of course, narratively, but a box and play as your desires.

Flanderisation?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Flanderisation?

Probably the best explanation so far.

Because GW probably thought that they could have been overpowered with the Shoot Twice stratagem from Bad Moons. Flash Gitz can already fire twice on a 6+. With Showing Off Flasg Gitz would have fair odds to fire three times in the same turn.

So they decided to lock them into a single clan, Freebooterz. But in order to keep selling the models they also needed to make them available to all ork players, hence the "Guns for Hire" thing.

 Blackie wrote:
Because GW probably thought that they could have been overpowered with the Shoot Twice stratagem from Bad Moons. Flash Gitz can already fire twice on a 6+. With Showing Off Flasg Gitz would have fair odds to fire three times in the same turn.

So they decided to lock them into a single clan, Freebooterz. But in order to keep selling the models they also needed to make them available to all ork players, hence the "Guns for Hire" thing.

Oh no, an Ork shooting three times.... How OP.

Orky Clans aren’t so much a birthright type thing, as a personal preference.

If you prefer to give the enemy a good taste of Boot Leather, you’ll gravitate toward Goff.

If your Teef grow ded quick, Bad Moons.

So in a sense, Freebooterz are a Clan unto themselves.

ccs wrote:


Oh no, an Ork shooting three times.... How OP.

An ork shooting three times with an anti marine weapon. The horror!!!

he'd reliably hit once...

nuff said

Three times, actually. Flash gits are heavy 3.

Not Online!!! wrote:
he'd reliably hit once...

nuff said

Well, they're Heavy 3 with BS4+. Leader is BS3+ (actually BS4+ and +1 to Hit), a couple of models can re-roll a failed shot thanks to ammo runts, and they all have exploding 6s as Dakkadakkadakka still works on them. Oh, and if they were Bad Moons they could even re-roll 1s.

A unit of 10 with Bad Moons trait, firing 3 times is 90 S6 AP-2 Damage2 BS4+ shots (9 with BS3+ actually), with lots of re-rolls and extra generated shots. For 308 points (that was the cost of the unit when the codex dropped), 2 CPs and some luck rolling that 6 for firing the third time.

So actually Bad Moons Flash Gitz firing 3 times could definitely ruin the marine player's day.

Because Flash Gitz with exploding 6s in melee would be absolutely OP.

 Blackie wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
he'd reliably hit once...

nuff said

Well, they're Heavy 3 with BS4+. Leader is BS3+ (actually BS4+ and +1 to Hit), a couple of models can re-roll a failed shot thanks to ammo runts, and they all have exploding 6s as Dakkadakkadakka still works on them. Oh, and if they were Bad Moons they could even re-roll 1s.

A unit of 10 with Bad Moons trait, firing 3 times is 90 S6 AP-2 Damage2 BS4+ shots (9 with BS3+ actually), with lots of re-rolls and extra generated shots. For 308 points (that was the cost of the unit when the codex dropped), 2 CPs and some luck rolling that 6 for firing the third time.

So actually Bad Moons Flash Gitz firing 3 times could definitely ruin the marine player's day.

Doing the math, Bad Moon Flash Gitz firing two times alone at BS4 (didn't even factor in the ammo runt) on average kills 19 Intercessors, or 380 points of Marines. Against Gravis armour it kills nine.

 Blackie wrote:
Because GW probably thought that they could have been overpowered with the Shoot Twice stratagem from Bad Moons. Flash Gitz can already fire twice on a 6+.

I doubt that ever entered their minds.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Blackie wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
he'd reliably hit once...

nuff said

Well, they're Heavy 3 with BS4+. Leader is BS3+ (actually BS4+ and +1 to Hit), a couple of models can re-roll a failed shot thanks to ammo runts, and they all have exploding 6s as Dakkadakkadakka still works on them. Oh, and if they were Bad Moons they could even re-roll 1s.

A unit of 10 with Bad Moons trait, firing 3 times is 90 S6 AP-2 Damage2 BS4+ shots (9 with BS3+ actually), with lots of re-rolls and extra generated shots. For 308 points (that was the cost of the unit when the codex dropped), 2 CPs and some luck rolling that 6 for firing the third time.

So actually Bad Moons Flash Gitz firing 3 times could definitely ruin the marine player's day.

Doing the math, Bad Moon Flash Gitz firing two times alone at BS4 (didn't even factor in the ammo runt) on average kills 19 Intercessors, or 380 points of Marines. Against Gravis armour it kills nine.

Heavy 3, S6, AP-2, D2, right?

Each Flash Git (at BS4+) kills 7/9ths of a MEQ in one round of fire. So 14/9 in two.
Still, to kill 19 Intercessors without any defensive buffs, you'd need 73-74 shots, or 13 Flash Gits. I thought they only came in squads of 10.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Blackie wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
he'd reliably hit once...

nuff said

Well, they're Heavy 3 with BS4+. Leader is BS3+ (actually BS4+ and +1 to Hit), a couple of models can re-roll a failed shot thanks to ammo runts, and they all have exploding 6s as Dakkadakkadakka still works on them. Oh, and if they were Bad Moons they could even re-roll 1s.

A unit of 10 with Bad Moons trait, firing 3 times is 90 S6 AP-2 Damage2 BS4+ shots (9 with BS3+ actually), with lots of re-rolls and extra generated shots. For 308 points (that was the cost of the unit when the codex dropped), 2 CPs and some luck rolling that 6 for firing the third time.

So actually Bad Moons Flash Gitz firing 3 times could definitely ruin the marine player's day.

Doing the math, Bad Moon Flash Gitz firing two times alone at BS4 (didn't even factor in the ammo runt) on average kills 19 Intercessors, or 380 points of Marines. Against Gravis armour it kills nine.

That's fine. As a Marine & Necron player I'm pretty sure I can muster enough firepower to kill far more of them than that.

Considering the associated pricetags for flashgitz and marine targets...
Btw how much is a flashgit nowadays?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Orky Clans aren’t so much a birthright type thing, as a personal preference.

There's pretty strong implications that such personal preferences are gene-coded into them.

Anyway, it seems to me that Bad Moonz and Deathskulls would make a lot of sense to have Flash Gitz, and this was true in the past. Guess they just decided to make life less fun for ork players, what else is new.

ccs wrote:


That's fine. As a Marine & Necron player I'm pretty sure I can muster enough firepower to kill far more of them than that.

Definitely. But we're talking about a codex released over 2 years ago, even before the 8th SM codex 2.0. Back then a combo with such shooty Flash Gitz could have really been overpowered, especially if we consider that it's mostly an anti marine shenanigan.




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 Void__Dragon wrote:


Doing the math, Bad Moon Flash Gitz firing two times alone at BS4 (didn't even factor in the ammo runt) on average kills 19 Intercessors, or 380 points of Marines. Against Gravis armour it kills nine.

19 Intercessors or 19 primaris models, including more expensive ones like Hellblasters. Maybe even a couple of squads and a couple of characters which is more than 380 points.

Hecaton wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Orky Clans aren’t so much a birthright type thing, as a personal preference.

There's pretty strong implications that such personal preferences are gene-coded into them.

Anyway, it seems to me that Bad Moonz and Deathskulls would make a lot of sense to have Flash Gitz, and this was true in the past. Guess they just decided to make life less fun for ork players, what else is new.

That’s true - but a Goff could spawn Yoofs of any clan. So it’s not a caste system (Goffs only beget Goffs).

It’s also possible Flashgitz are another expression of Oddboyz.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Considering the associated pricetags for flashgitz and marine targets...
Btw how much is a flashgit nowadays?

32, making them a great unit for too many points. They got an unexpectedly high points hike with 9th, but nothing a few point drops can't fix. Probably should be somewhere around 25.

 Jidmah wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Considering the associated pricetags for flashgitz and marine targets...
Btw how much is a flashgit nowadays?

32, making them a great unit for too many points. They got an unexpectedly high points hike with 9th, but nothing a few point drops can't fix. Probably should be somewhere around 25.

Ah so my brain wasn't quite as wierd about remembering that the price is positively ridicoulus for what an Flashgit was..
shame, i allways liked em.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Flanderisation?

I googled that and thanks ! I learned a new word today. Flash gits not being able to be bad moons, reroll ones (without the Flashiest Boss Around) or shoot twice with the strat (i never get that "6" to shoot again :( ) just shows you the consequences for having a bad attitude and not being a klan player. Boo ! You get locked in freebooter klan ! I so hate that trait, it messes with your target priority because you try to get that +1 to hit so badly at times. I have hated every single attempt to make the freebooter trait work. May that trait die a fiery death with our next codex !
If next codex my 27 flash gits (cost me a fortune and so much time painting them !!) are still locked in that absolutely horrible klan trait, then by gork and mork I swear they will all go ebay (nerd rage !)

This is from the 4th edition codex. When they new models were release along with then next codex in 7th, they were ret-conned into being mercenaries:

From the 'current' Codex -

Many Flash Gitz are from the Bad Moons Clan, and the two factions always enjoy a good brag over barrels of the finest fungus rum that teef can buy.

So Bad Moons can 'evolve' into Freebooter Flash Gitz.

evolve in ork society terms means getting kicked out by one bigger then you
Because you were an even more insufferable git then the clan full of insufferable gits .

Allbeit wouldn't non Badmoon freebotas that didn't get kicked out of the bad moons be able to join bad moons?

 Blackie wrote:

ccs wrote:


That's fine. As a Marine & Necron player I'm pretty sure I can muster enough firepower to kill far more of them than that.

Definitely. But we're talking about a codex released over 2 years ago, even before the 8th SM codex 2.0. Back then a combo with such shooty Flash Gitz could have really been overpowered, especially if we consider that it's mostly an anti marine shenanigan.

And two years ago I could kill them in droves. The only thing different today is that I have more options of how to do it.

"mostly an anti marine shenanigan"? Well, if you could throw that many dice & kill that # of marines (Primaris)? Then it'll work on anyone softer....

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Flanderisation?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Flanderization