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 jeff white wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Flanderisation?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Flanderization

I believe he’s aware what it means, given he was using it as his explanation for Flash Gitz’ status quo.

 Jidmah wrote:


This is from the 4th edition codex. When they new models were release along with then next codex in 7th, they were ret-conned into being mercenaries:

7th is a match for their original introduction in the appropriately named Freebooterz book

Hecaton wrote:
It's pretty strange, we have fluff that indicates that there are plenty of them who are Bad Moonz, etc, but this is disallowed. Was this changed at some point?

Why are they Kulture locked? Simple, GW sucks

In reality its because GW didn't want anyone running Bad Moonz Flash Gitz. Shoot twice and exploding 5s would make them a relatively OP unit in 8th. 10 of them would net you 30 shots hitting on 5s because there is no way they were in range turn 1. So you will get 10 hits, which explode and give you another 3.3 hits, you also reroll 1s so another 1.66 hits which also explode and give you another .33 hits. All told with 1 volley you are likely hitting 15ish times. This will result in 10 wounds and 6.66 unsaved wounds for 6.66 dead Marines. You then immediately have a 1/6 chance to shoot again at the closest target, failing that you can use the shoot twice strat to than kill another 6.66 Marines. I didn't factor in the BS3 "Kaptin" nor the reroll to hits from ammo runts.

So why are they kulture locked? because GW didn't want Orkz to have access to a unit that could theoretically, reliably kill a lot of SM's very quickly. Fluff wise it makes zero sense. But I've stopped trying to use silly things like fluff and common sense when dealing with GW

SemperMortis wrote:

Hecaton wrote:
It's pretty strange, we have fluff that indicates that there are plenty of them who are Bad Moonz, etc, but this is disallowed. Was this changed at some point?

Why are they Kulture locked? Simple, GW sucks

In reality its because GW didn't want anyone running Bad Moonz Flash Gitz. Shoot twice and exploding 5s would make them a relatively OP unit in 8th. 10 of them would net you 30 shots hitting on 5s because there is no way they were in range turn 1. So you will get 10 hits, which explode and give you another 3.3 hits, you also reroll 1s so another 1.66 hits which also explode and give you another .33 hits. All told with 1 volley you are likely hitting 15ish times. This will result in 10 wounds and 6.66 unsaved wounds for 6.66 dead Marines. You then immediately have a 1/6 chance to shoot again at the closest target, failing that you can use the shoot twice strat to than kill another 6.66 Marines. I didn't factor in the BS3 "Kaptin" nor the reroll to hits from ammo runts.

So why are they kulture locked? because GW didn't want Orkz to have access to a unit that could theoretically, reliably kill a lot of SM's very quickly. Fluff wise it makes zero sense. But I've stopped trying to use silly things like fluff and common sense when dealing with GW

And let me guess, when they make their 9e codex they'll forget their reasoning and keep them locked into Freebooterz forever. Because if you want options, pick Astartes.

I'm fairly sure that their reasoning was "pirate hats = freebootas".

 jeff white wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Flanderisation?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Flanderization

Yeah I was offering that suggestion as to why Flash Gitz are how they are. A lot of Ork things are due to Flanderisation, like Ork shooting.

Flash Gitz were originally Freebooterz, though. Allowing them to have a clan (and tying them thematically to the Bad Moons) was itself a retcon (in 4th edition IIRC), which has now been retconned back. So I don't know why people are complaining...

Aren't bad moons the race of ork that grow their teeth the fastest, and by virtue of which it would make sense for them to have the most big guns and big armour? majority of them being bad moons makes a lot of sense.

 Jidmah wrote:
I'm fairly sure that their reasoning was "pirate hats = freebootas".

I was going to make a joke about the power of the pirate hat, but I agree, I think it is as simple as that to why.

My Bad Moons kill team is led by a Flash Git Kaptain (Kap'n Krumpch). I always found it a little funny that my Leader wasn't actually part of the Kultur of the rest of the team. Was easy enough to work around by adding an ammo grot to hang around him. The Kaptain was still a linchpin to my Ork kill team despite that because he was the only one shooting things not just needing a 6 to hit.

 Duskweaver wrote:
Flash Gitz were originally Freebooterz, though.

That was in an era where clans were more like professions, and freely mixed within an army, rather than an entire army needing to come from one clan. All your Shoota Boyz were Bad Moons, all your Stormboyz were Goffs, all your Kommandos were Snakebites, and so on. In the modern context of clans marking army affiliation it's a bit weirder to have Flash Gitz be solely available as Freebooterz.

If you really hit the WayBack machine, Freebooter Pirates became Flash Gitz only if Kaptin Badrukk was in the army. He could convert one unit of Freebooter pirates to Flash Gitz. Increased WS and BS, and they could take wargear cards.Back when Jervis Johnson wrote the codex (1994).

That definitively qualifies as cool trivia