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 AduroT wrote:
Tactical rocks do kind of annoy me. Captain Morgan poses are a dime a dozen. The ones I really hate are when the rock is specific scenery, like all the building rubble on the Indomitus Necrons. Don’t do that! It doesn’t match my basing. The worst offenders have to be the Eliminators kit though. Weird flat debris stuff they’re kneeling on. Not like cool poses, just kneeling. And it’s hard to remove simply because it’s not level, their feet and knees are all at weird angles not parallel with their bases. It was stupid and annoying.

I've always wondered if this kind of thing was in response to feedback about the special bits that would come with the starter sets for the editions to plug up the holes in the bases.

 AduroT wrote:
Tactical rocks do kind of annoy me. Captain Morgan poses are a dime a dozen. The ones I really hate are when the rock is specific scenery, like all the building rubble on the Indomitus Necrons. Don’t do that! It doesn’t match my basing. The worst offenders have to be the Eliminators kit though. Weird flat debris stuff they’re kneeling on. Not like cool poses, just kneeling. And it’s hard to remove simply because it’s not level, their feet and knees are all at weird angles not parallel with their bases. It was stupid and annoying.

Not to mention their poses are really terrible for actually sniping anyone.

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Phew. Maybe the advent calender will have been for a reason. At the very least, I imagine we'll see the whole seraphon underworld band and maybe the new zombies

 GaroRobe wrote:
Phew. Maybe the advent calender will have been for a reason. At the very least, I imagine we'll see the whole seraphon underworld band and maybe the new zombies

The word 'sneak peak' has me concerned.

If it's just the rest of the Slaanesh stuff and then the arm of a Rumour Engine I won't be happy, but knowing GW it'll probably be even less than that.

This is what we saw last year.

It might not be as grand as it was last year, but part of that very well might be that their studio painters are behind schedule thanks to things not being in their hands yet.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Phew. Maybe the advent calender will have been for a reason. At the very least, I imagine we'll see the whole seraphon underworld band and maybe the new zombies

...I won't be happy...

Yeah, there's a shocker.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Phew. Maybe the advent calender will have been for a reason. At the very least, I imagine we'll see the whole seraphon underworld band and maybe the new zombies

The Advent Calendar did have a reason. It was 24 days of Rumour Engine instead of one weekly as normal to give you even more bits and pieces to ponder in celebration of the holidays. In past years, we got Black Library Advent calendars. It was never presented as anything more than that. I just don't get why people keep on thinking it was more than what GW said it was.

 alextroy wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Phew. Maybe the advent calender will have been for a reason. At the very least, I imagine we'll see the whole seraphon underworld band and maybe the new zombies

The Advent Calendar did have a reason. It was 24 days of Rumour Engine instead of one weekly as normal to give you even more bits and pieces to ponder in celebration of the holidays. In past years, we got Black Library Advent calendars. It was never presented as anything more than that. I just don't get why people keep on thinking it was more than what GW said it was.

I mean, a lot of the rumor engines seemed linked. Multiple pics pointed to Echlisiarchy priests/Inquisition. And the only other time GW did a mass release of rumor engine pics was for Shadowspear/Chaos Space Marine release, which ended with them revealing everything. Some were linked to hedonites, which we knew would also be revealed more. And a couple are most likely linked to some new undeath faction. Given how most of the pics could fall into three or four categories, I feel like it's not unreasonable people expected more to be revealed (also half the reveal was stuff we already knew was coming. Lelith and the Palantine ).

Edit: Looks like they're revealing the store anniversary models this week. That should be cool

I keep seeing the same reoccurring pattern.

GW says they are doing X.
People assuming they will also do Y.
GW only does X.
People get upset that GW didn't do Y.

It's a bit madding.

 Overread wrote:

These are "real" motion poses and might well be the kind of thing sculptors are working with.

While this is true, and, I don't need reminded of this, one of my degrees was in animation, it doesn't convey movement and dynamism to the viewer. Which means it fails in it's intent.

I really feel the quality of GW's art has declined as, while they've sprouted lots of interesting detail, basics like posing and conveying the character of the mini have badly deteriorated. There are reasons for this, but... yeah.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Overread wrote:

These are "real" motion poses and might well be the kind of thing sculptors are working with.

While this is true, and, I don't need reminded of this, one of my degrees was in animation, it doesn't convey movement and dynamism to the viewer. Which means it fails in it's intent.

I really feel the quality of GW's art has declined as, while they've sprouted lots of interesting detail, basics like posing and conveying the character of the mini have badly deteriorated. There are reasons for this, but... yeah.

In an attempt to push it further, a lot of their designs have become complete dog gak. Like, what is this gun supposed to be? Why did anyone sign off on this concept?


I honestly think they peaked a number of years ago, and whilst some of their stuff reaches the heights they once hit consistently, mostly it just doesn't. This in regards to posing as well as a lot of other essential elements of good miniature design.

 Kanluwen wrote:
This is what we saw last year.

It might not be as grand as it was last year, but part of that very well might be that their studio painters are behind schedule thanks to things not being in their hands yet.

Another year.... another load of models balancing on 1 foot or leaping 1 footed from terrain.

The Sisters looked really good with solid poses.

This years Dark Eldar boss is surely just a self parody of themselves at GW. At least they have a sense of humour. Untextured hair, so long that 3 feet of it would trail behind you, with hooks in to snag on anything in the ground, leaping from a terrain piece on 1 foot. Sigh.

Every time a plastic ankle snaps, a miniature designer gets promoted to marketing.

I dunno, that massive hobbit foot looks like a pretty solid connection, actually...

 alextroy wrote:
It's a bit madding.

It's more maddening to see GW hype up big reveals only to show us things that they've already shown us or announced.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
It's a bit madding.

It's more maddening to see GW hype up big reveals only to show us things that they've already shown us or announced.

And yet at the same time do you expect them to do any different?

We on Dakka are a very keen and active community, I'd wager many active dakka users are checking the GW community site daily. So we do pick up on every bit of news; and rumour. GW reveal events are for all GW customers including those hwo might only view the website once a month for a purchase or such. Ergo lots of people who are not aware of the new things coming.

We also know that GW generally only thinks and markets a few months in advance - typically around 3 (though with Necromunda they've started branching out with some annual plans). So if you've already seen rumours and leaks and info from GW for a few months and that stuff still hasn't come out; then you know any formal dates or such for it will get announced at a reveal - even if its the same marketing photos going around again.

GW marketing are never going to go "You know this is just a modest reveal; really its not worth your time. I mean seriously you can go get a cuppa and watch something else if you like; we sort of showed you everything already barring the release date/month and that one other model we've not yet shown you.






In the end there is some onus on us to be mature and realise what marketing is and not get stupidly wound up about it every time. Because when the same people keep doing it it doesn't come off as a legitimate complaint but closer to a childish whine.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
It's a bit madding.

It's more maddening to see GW hype up big reveals only to show us things that they've already shown us or announced.

Let me get this straight. GW did us dirty on the Christmas Day Reveals because they showed us:

The Palatine: Seen before
Lelith Hesperax: Bits seen before, but we now have a full picture plus detail pictures
The Piety and Pain Box Set: That long ago rumor about a Sisters - Dark Elder starter is finally solved
Hedonites of Slaanesh Battletome: Assumed, but now officially announced
Slickblade Seekers: First I've heard or seen
Blissbarb Seekers: First I've heard or seen
Slaangor Fiendbloods: First I've heard or seen
Blissbarb Archers: First I've heard or seen

 alextroy wrote:
... First I've heard or seen...

They revealed those in the most recent Warcry book, weeks before the showed off all the models.

Lelith has been.......snacking...

I like the old Lelith model, I'll just go ahead and say that. This one looks..off to me. I like that it is plastic but..eh ? I'm not sure why they couldn't have brought back an old character with a redesign.

The box set I am in the middle about. Depends on how much they try and sell it for. If its reasonable enough, I'll bite, if not just doesn't make any sense to me to get it over the models I'd still need for both armies.

 alextroy wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
It's a bit madding.

It's more maddening to see GW hype up big reveals only to show us things that they've already shown us or announced.

Let me get this straight. GW did us dirty on the Christmas Day Reveals because they showed us:

The Palatine: Seen before
Lelith Hesperax: Bits seen before, but we now have a full picture plus detail pictures
The Piety and Pain Box Set: That long ago rumor about a Sisters - Dark Elder starter is finally solved
Hedonites of Slaanesh Battletome: Assumed, but now officially announced
Slickblade Seekers: First I've heard or seen
Blissbarb Seekers: First I've heard or seen
Slaangor Fiendbloods: First I've heard or seen
Blissbarb Archers: First I've heard or seen

we've already had headshots of the Slaanesh models in the week that the new warcry books came out

JWBS wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Overread wrote:

These are "real" motion poses and might well be the kind of thing sculptors are working with.

While this is true, and, I don't need reminded of this, one of my degrees was in animation, it doesn't convey movement and dynamism to the viewer. Which means it fails in it's intent.

I really feel the quality of GW's art has declined as, while they've sprouted lots of interesting detail, basics like posing and conveying the character of the mini have badly deteriorated. There are reasons for this, but... yeah.

In an attempt to push it further, a lot of their designs have become complete dog gak. Like, what is this gun supposed to be? Why did anyone sign off on this concept?


I honestly think they peaked a number of years ago, and whilst some of their stuff reaches the heights they once hit consistently, mostly it just doesn't. This in regards to posing as well as a lot of other essential elements of good miniature design.

Completely disagree - they've hit new highs in recent years. Since AOS there seems to have been a rejuvenation of creativity. With models like the above, centurions etc. they were at a bit of a creative lull. Compare the previous necron release to the new one - much more inspired.

There's been GSC, SoB, many AOS releases that are just incredible and unlike anything else. Of course there have been some misses in there.

GSC were cool, and AOS is mostly great (moomineth aside) but SoB were a fairly flat retread of the old stuff, but in plastic. "Incredible" is dramatically over-egging the pudding.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
... First I've heard or seen...

They revealed those in the most recent Warcry book, weeks before the showed off all the models.

Not the miniatures in full. The Warcry Battletome only showed a small picture of their face as part of their profiles. So stop making it sound like GW actually showed everything before for those - they didn't.


As for the people overhyping themselves for the previews and all the time assuming it will be BIG, it's just natural. We're used with the Warhammer Community hyping us all the time with a constant feed of information - even when it is small, there is not one day without an article showing us something Warhammer.

So when the information become less satisfying and more filling the gaps because the pandemic slows down everything, it shows.

TBH, I believe the way Social Medias work in general is shaping our brain to constantly crave for news on a shorter periode of time because of that daily feed. The solution may be to cut ourselves from that for a bit of time, and enjoy things when they really come. This "pre-order / hype for the future" culture is what is really maddening.

 alextroy wrote:
I keep seeing the same reoccurring pattern.

GW says they are doing X.
People assuming they will also do Y.
GW only does X.
People get upset that GW didn't do Y.

It's a bit madding.

Yes and no. When, as in some other cases, GW says some preview is going to be absolutely massive and then doesn't deliver by e.g. showing things we've seen before, that's GW saying they are doing X, people assuming they will do X, and GW instead doing Y.
When they, as sometimes also is the case, specifically say what to expect and then do exactly that, then some people set themselves up for disappointment by expecting differently - there have been system-specific previews like that this year for instance where people were still expecting something for other games that clearly weren't listed, or like how some folks here are still under the impression the WHFB revival will somehow arrive soon despite it clearly having been said to be years off.

Here, however, we have neither of those. We have GW previewing figures as an advent calendar in the run up to Christmas and having a Christmas Day reveal of something. Can't really blame people for assuming the two are linked. Would make sense, with it being an advent calendar. And in this case, GW neither said they were or weren't connected. It was only ever an assumption by some here, and not that strange an assumption at that.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
I like the old Lelith model, I'll just go ahead and say that. This one looks..off to me. I like that it is plastic but..eh ? I'm not sure why they couldn't have brought back an old character with a redesign.

Redoing a character in a faithful manner is, in my experience, not a simple matter. Even if the same sculptor does it, they might have acquired new ideas, methods and design standards in the meantime, and work with improved tools that let them do things differently. It can get worse if a different sculptor is put on the job who may bring a different perspective, if not an outright different outlook on a character.

Think of Fabius Bile for a moment. They completely redid his face even though the old one was sculpted well for the time and left its mark for twenty years. Yet somehow, someone was of the opinion that the face wasn't right and needed a complete change. What was the point of that? Who knows?

In my opinion GW simply doesn't have a manager that reins sculptors in and occasionally says "do this, but crisper". There's no consistent culture of consistency at GW, so we get a lot of redesigned models that hit or miss entirely on the basis of whether the sculptor "gets it".

I was saying they sure won't preview nothing from The Advent Calendar anytime soon for a good while

Sarouan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
... First I've heard or seen...

They revealed those in the most recent Warcry book, weeks before the showed off all the models.

Not the miniatures in full. The Warcry Battletome only showed a small picture of their face as part of their profiles. So stop making it sound like GW actually showed everything before for those - they didn't.


As for the people overhyping themselves for the previews and all the time assuming it will be BIG, it's just natural. We're used with the Warhammer Community hyping us all the time with a constant feed of information - even when it is small, there is not one day without an article showing us something Warhammer.

So when the information become less satisfying and more filling the gaps because the pandemic slows down everything, it shows.

TBH, I believe the way Social Medias work in general is shaping our brain to constantly crave for news on a shorter periode of time because of that daily feed. The solution may be to cut ourselves from that for a bit of time, and enjoy things when they really come. This "pre-order / hype for the future" culture is what is really maddening.

I can't agree more. GW gives full model previews of models we've only seen bits of and people complain they already seen them.

I guess the only think right GW can do is provide less previews so that people are disappointed with the few they get.

 jeff white wrote:
Every time a plastic ankle snaps, a miniature designer gets promoted to marketing.