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Iracundus wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
Yeah that is definitely one thing about Slaanesh I don't get: the lobster claws. Why out of all the things is that something that is always included?

Because it from the beginning was present, as a means to show Slaanesh and Slaanesh worshippers as having alien tastes beyond normal conventional ideas of beauty and desirability and with the claws' deadliness a nod towards sado-masochism.

Eh, that part I get, but why is it always a crab claw. Anyway, I do realize the real answer is "it's been there from the beginning", but still I think it odd that they keep putting it in more than the daemonettes.

Wouldn't mind seeing some different kind of body mods. Like some things with huge disgusting ears so they can hear everything. I just feel there should be more emphasis on sensory organs.

The herald of slaanesh is the type of thing that really nails slaanesh to me. It's horrific. I wish the herald playing the harp had something other than a crab claw -- what about more fingers sewn on to be able to hit more (discortand) chords? I personally would never collect body modding slaanesh stuff, as that sort of thing gives me the heebee jeebies, but I just think it's a little underused, while the crab claw is done to death. It honestly feels more Tzeench than Slaanesh.

Not a fan of the model to be honest... theres so much going on and all looks so boring to build and paint. Concept wise is not something that appeals to me and would rather see a crude version of it used for ogres armies instead.

Its one of those cases of a bundle of ideas stuck together to see if it creates some cool concept but instead its just a bunch of ideas and nothing else.

As for the lore debate well claws, pincers, extra pair of boobs, whips, sadomaso clothes and piercings are sexual and that was the majority of the ideas presented so yeah you may want to turn around decades of this but it will still be there.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Not a fan of the model to be honest... theres so much going on and all looks so boring to build and paint. Concept wise is not something that appeals to me and would rather see a crude version of it used for ogres armies instead.

Its one of those cases of a bundle of ideas stuck together to see if it creates some cool concept but instead its just a bunch of ideas and nothing else.

I'd definitely agree with the 'bundle of ideas stuck together' description.

The issue for me is that the guy is called the "Lord of Gluttony", yet he's bit fat and that's about it. Not only that, but he's so deformed in other ways and there's so much unnecessary crap and clutter on the model, that his being overweight at all is practically lost amongst everything else.

Especially with Slaanesh being the god of excess, would it not make more sense for the Lord of Gluttony to be excessively obese? I mean, if you're going to make an entire diorama model, why not make the guy so fat that he can't even walk on his own?

It is by far the most "Warmahordes" mini GW have ever done.

Quasistellar wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
Yeah that is definitely one thing about Slaanesh I don't get: the lobster claws. Why out of all the things is that something that is always included?

Because it from the beginning was present, as a means to show Slaanesh and Slaanesh worshippers as having alien tastes beyond normal conventional ideas of beauty and desirability and with the claws' deadliness a nod towards sado-masochism.

Eh, that part I get, but why is it always a crab claw. Anyway, I do realize the real answer is "it's been there from the beginning", but still I think it odd that they keep putting it in more than the daemonettes.

Wouldn't mind seeing some different kind of body mods. Like some things with huge disgusting ears so they can hear everything. I just feel there should be more emphasis on sensory organs.

The herald of slaanesh is the type of thing that really nails slaanesh to me. It's horrific. I wish the herald playing the harp had something other than a crab claw -- what about more fingers sewn on to be able to hit more (discortand) chords? I personally would never collect body modding slaanesh stuff, as that sort of thing gives me the heebee jeebies, but I just think it's a little underused, while the crab claw is done to death. It honestly feels more Tzeench than Slaanesh.

The claws are just a creative short hand to unify the models across the Slaanesh range. Tzeentch has the eyes and flames motif. Nurgle has the rotting zombies, and single eye and single horn look. Khorne has the blood and skulls, generic demon look.

If you look at most of the Slaanesh art, their models tend to have all black on black eyes. That has been written as the pupls of their eyes being expanded to take in as much light as possible.

Iracundus wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
Yeah that is definitely one thing about Slaanesh I don't get: the lobster claws. Why out of all the things is that something that is always included?

Because it from the beginning was present, as a means to show Slaanesh and Slaanesh worshippers as having alien tastes beyond normal conventional ideas of beauty and desirability and with the claws' deadliness a nod towards sado-masochism.

S&M and 'deadliness' don't actually sit well together. It really should be something that prolongs the experience, not cuts it short. Quick and easy is missing the point.

 vipoid wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Not a fan of the model to be honest... theres so much going on and all looks so boring to build and paint. Concept wise is not something that appeals to me and would rather see a crude version of it used for ogres armies instead.

Its one of those cases of a bundle of ideas stuck together to see if it creates some cool concept but instead its just a bunch of ideas and nothing else.

I'd definitely agree with the 'bundle of ideas stuck together' description.

The issue for me is that the guy is called the "Lord of Gluttony", yet he's bit fat and that's about it. Not only that, but he's so deformed in other ways and there's so much unnecessary crap and clutter on the model, that his being overweight at all is practically lost amongst everything else.

Especially with Slaanesh being the god of excess, would it not make more sense for the Lord of Gluttony to be excessively obese? I mean, if you're going to make an entire diorama model, why not make the guy so fat that he can't even walk on his own?

Greasus with Slaanesh-greeble, essentially?

Honest question; do you think the idea (Adipose Rex) behind this model was executed better by Dominar Rasheth?

Funnily enough, I was thinking of precisely that model when I commented.

It's showing it's age a little at this point, but conceptually, yes; I think it conveys the same theme a hell of a lot better.

Honestly, I think the most important thing is that the Dominar Rasheth model is so much more focussed. There's so much unnecessary clutter on the Lord of Gluttony model that the theme is practically lost.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Was Slaanesh every just the god(dess) of lust and sex? People make memes about it, because that's funny.

The problem is the memes tend to overwhelm and everyone just assumes that Slaanesh = Chaos God of Sex. This simply isn't true. As was mentioned above, Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess.

I have a somewhat unique perspective about this aspect of 40K, given that I worked on an entire book on this very subject, and to this day the 4Chan level of discourse about "LOL! Slaanesh is all about sex!" still pisses me off.

Woah, you worked on Tome of Excess? I loved that book, you did a good job with it! I still read it, even today!

 vipoid wrote:
Funnily enough, I was thinking of precisely that model when I commented.

It's showing it's age a little at this point, but conceptually, yes; I think it conveys the same theme a hell of a lot better.

Honestly, I think the most important thing is that the Dominar Rasheth model is so much more focussed. There's so much unnecessary clutter on the Lord of Gluttony model that the theme is practically lost.

There's so much stuff that it's excessive, yet somehow the theme is lost?

 vipoid wrote:
Funnily enough, I was thinking of precisely that model when I commented.

It's showing it's age a little at this point, but conceptually, yes; I think it conveys the same theme a hell of a lot better.

Honestly, I think the most important thing is that the Dominar Rasheth model is so much more focussed. There's so much unnecessary clutter on the Lord of Gluttony model that the theme is practically lost.

I think another issue might simply be that Glutos is too small; not just that he isn't fat enough, but that he's so close in size to the other characters that he kind of blends into the background of the model.

Compare him to Katakros:



You can't deny that Big K is the centerpiece of his diorama, but I can't really say the same for Fatboy here.

shinros wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Was Slaanesh every just the god(dess) of lust and sex? People make memes about it, because that's funny.

The problem is the memes tend to overwhelm and everyone just assumes that Slaanesh = Chaos God of Sex. This simply isn't true. As was mentioned above, Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess.

I have a somewhat unique perspective about this aspect of 40K, given that I worked on an entire book on this very subject, and to this day the 4Chan level of discourse about "LOL! Slaanesh is all about sex!" still pisses me off.

Woah, you worked on Tome of Excess? I loved that book, you did a good job with it! I still read it, even today!

Yes the typesetting was indeed adequate.

So we're nearly at the stage where we just push dinner plate sized diaoramas around the table at each other?

And many GW fans say KoW multibasing is stupid. Sheesh.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It is by far the most "Warmahordes" mini GW have ever done.

Nah, scylla still takes the cake

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It is by far the most "Warmahordes" mini GW have ever done.

I wish you hadn't said that.

Still, it's one of the less awkward "diorama" characters.

As I noted in my earlier post - the roots of Slaanesh are in pleasure and in excess. It's a mix of the two. So the glutton is eating to excess, but in a pleasured way not simply mindless excess. Chances are he favours succulent morsels rather than simply a vast banquets.
As someone else said he is indeed closer to the Baron Harkonan (as envisioned in the origianl film) than, say, Pearl from Blade

 zend wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Funnily enough, I was thinking of precisely that model when I commented.

It's showing it's age a little at this point, but conceptually, yes; I think it conveys the same theme a hell of a lot better.

Honestly, I think the most important thing is that the Dominar Rasheth model is so much more focussed. There's so much unnecessary clutter on the Lord of Gluttony model that the theme is practically lost.

There's so much stuff that it's excessive, yet somehow the theme is lost?

And if he was the Lord of Excess instead of the Lord of Gluttony you might have a point.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Was Slaanesh every just the god(dess) of lust and sex? People make memes about it, because that's funny.

The problem is the memes tend to overwhelm and everyone just assumes that Slaanesh = Chaos God of Sex. This simply isn't true. As was mentioned above, Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess.

I have a somewhat unique perspective about this aspect of 40K, given that I worked on an entire book on this very subject, and to this day the 4Chan level of discourse about "LOL! Slaanesh is all about sex!" still pisses me off.

HBMC, considering some of the stuff you got *wrong* about 40k Lore in some of your work, I wouldn't turn to THAT as an appeal to authority.

While Slaanesh is not 'just' about sex, the fact that we've reached the other end of the spectrum now, and are pretending that it's not about sex AT ALL is just as incorrect.

Hence, Sex, Drugs, *and* Rock&Roll.

Memes about DOOOOMRIDER aside (and there's a character to bring back!) this underlines again what I'm talking about. The Prince of Pleasure has become the Prince of Something or Other in the minds of many 40k fans.

I could see them bringing back Doomrider. He'd be a fun anniversary model, though they've never made one that large before.

Still, going back to the "Prince of Pleasure" aspect, I think the range more or less hits the mark. Glutus is indulging himself with all the finest foods that his army can find. A lot of the character models have hooks and barbs in their skin since Slaanesh warriors finding pain pleasurable has been a thing forever (best example would be the Emperor's Children CSM from the story "The Master's bidding," who would impale his tongue on his armor so that every time he moved his head, it would rip. Oh and he covered himself in mites that would constantly bite him.)

Glutus has a bong, the new armored guys and gals all have fancy bottles of liquid, and a few models have weird censers, which I imagine have perfume like smoke to cloud the heads of enemies and maybe cause them to hallucinate.

As for the sensual side, the underworld team and the archers are pretty suggestive. Belly-dancers with bows, basically.

If any Chaos army doesn't fit their theme, I'd say Tzeentch is furthest from his army, visually. Acolytes are all super buff instead of spindly (yeah, they're supposed to change their shape, but still), pink horrors don't look like they're changing shape constantly (the old Juan Diaz models are so much better imo), etc.

I agree with Garo, So... when it comes to the sex aspect are we all just ignoring the Blissbarb archers? Because it's far more useful to your argument? Also I think sex is the first thing a common slaanesh follower will burn out from.

What I like about the Slaanesh release is that it explores a wide range, the sensuality/sex within the Blissbarb archers, Martial Perfection in the Myrmdesh and those who fall to pure excess in all forms again aka the Symbaresh. The mounted models more or less are Blissbarb Archers who have essentially grown out of their old pursuits.

You then got extreme vanity in Sigvald and now we have a gluttony lord.

Slaanesh is the god of pleasure and excess, the two go hand in hand. Excess with out pleasure is a nonsense, the whole point of the excess is pleasure and the epitome of pleasure has always been the climax, the orgasm. It’s the peak moment and that is what slaanesh so lowers have always sought. Be it pain or excess noise or violence it’s all about pleasure, taken to excess, pleasure at all costs.

The new models have a nod to that, the Lord of glutton eaten the finest foods what ever they are isn’t about eating anything to excess but eating the most pleasurable things to excess.

The model is dripping in detail and all slaanesh models should be. There is no less is more.

So much of what the chaos gods are and represent now is missed by too many folk. They are manifestations of emotions. Slaanesh is the manifestation of pleasure, that selfish urge to attain that pleasurable release and the point of ecstasy. Sexual is the natural conclusion of any pleasure seeking because that point of climax is the goal, it’s the ultimate, any pleasure that great can only be likened to sexual pleasure.

Andykp wrote:
Slaanesh is the god of pleasure and excess, the two go hand in hand. Excess with out pleasure is a nonsense, the whole point of the excess is pleasure and the epitome of pleasure has always been the climax, the orgasm. It’s the peak moment and that is what slaanesh so lowers have always sought. Be it pain or excess noise or violence it’s all about pleasure, taken to excess, pleasure at all costs.

The new models have a nod to that, the Lord of glutton eaten the finest foods what ever they are isn’t about eating anything to excess but eating the most pleasurable things to excess.

The model is dripping in detail and all slaanesh models should be. There is no less is more.

So much of what the chaos gods are and represent now is missed by too many folk. They are manifestations of emotions. Slaanesh is the manifestation of pleasure, that selfish urge to attain that pleasurable release and the point of ecstasy. Sexual is the natural conclusion of any pleasure seeking because that point of climax is the goal, it’s the ultimate, any pleasure that great can only be likened to sexual pleasure.

Nailed it with this post. I agree whole-heartily.

shinros wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Slaanesh is the god of pleasure and excess, the two go hand in hand. Excess with out pleasure is a nonsense, the whole point of the excess is pleasure and the epitome of pleasure has always been the climax, the orgasm. It’s the peak moment and that is what slaanesh so lowers have always sought. Be it pain or excess noise or violence it’s all about pleasure, taken to excess, pleasure at all costs.

The new models have a nod to that, the Lord of glutton eaten the finest foods what ever they are isn’t about eating anything to excess but eating the most pleasurable things to excess.

The model is dripping in detail and all slaanesh models should be. There is no less is more.

So much of what the chaos gods are and represent now is missed by too many folk. They are manifestations of emotions. Slaanesh is the manifestation of pleasure, that selfish urge to attain that pleasurable release and the point of ecstasy. Sexual is the natural conclusion of any pleasure seeking because that point of climax is the goal, it’s the ultimate, any pleasure that great can only be likened to sexual pleasure.

Cheers. Not sure it wouldn’t come across as wine fuelled drivel.

Nailed it with this post. I agree whole-heartily.

Voss wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
Yeah that is definitely one thing about Slaanesh I don't get: the lobster claws. Why out of all the things is that something that is always included?

Because it from the beginning was present, as a means to show Slaanesh and Slaanesh worshippers as having alien tastes beyond normal conventional ideas of beauty and desirability and with the claws' deadliness a nod towards sado-masochism.

S&M and 'deadliness' don't actually sit well together. It really should be something that prolongs the experience, not cuts it short. Quick and easy is missing the point.

Slaanesh's "thing" seems to fall into 2 broad themes IMO:
1) There is the toying with the prey and prolonging the agony.
2) There is giving them such an extreme experience they die quickly but they have an unforgettable experience and orgasmic death (or so the Slaanesh worshipper might want for themselves. A normal person might simply view it as an agonizing albeit quick death).

That is why for example some Slaanesh worshippers in the BL fiction look forward to their deaths as supposedly the ecstatic culmination of their existence, even though logically one could argue that if they stayed alive they could have more experiences.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I wish you hadn't said that.

Because... ?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Still, it's one of the less awkward "diorama" characters.

Because it exists as a single enclosed entity. The other diorama characters are all walking in a setting. In this case they're all riding on the same massive vehicle. Makes it more cohesive.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I wish you hadn't said that.

Because... ?

You kinda ruined it for me, just likethose things ruined Warmahordes...

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I wish you hadn't said that.

Because... ?

You kinda ruined it for me, just likethose things ruined Warmahordes...

Premium prices and delivering subpar casting and materials is what ruined for me. The big fellas could be ignored if you don't fancy them I guess.
Same reason I totally did not buy any finecasts.

the debate on slaanesh is very interesting

But nobody wants to speculate on these images of undeads and the witch hunters what it could be?

New heroquest? new armies? warcry bands?

I need to know!

Vampire hunters and vampire faction rumours been circulating for ages. Might be those for aos at last

zamerion wrote:
the debate on slaanesh is very interesting

But nobody wants to speculate on these images of undeads and the witch hunters what it could be?

New heroquest? new armies? warcry bands?

I need to know!

I think the problem is those debates started before December and were fuelled through the whole of the advent period with debate. People are burned out on guessing now and just want the answers before they get too far down the rabbithole of speculation.