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Indeed, we shouldn’t see a lockdown like that again.
Too much of the countries infastructure shut down as well, making it difficult financially to recover etc.
They want to close as little as possible, and have said per second lockdown, that you must work from home where possible.
I’d say as factory workers cannot work from home, then production could continue.
But we shall see I guess

It's already happening. As I say, I've been monitoring the shops I use and the products in my basket have been steadily flipping from "In stock" to "available on back order", and just like last time, they remain in the latter category. This also applies to the shops I don't use, I checked a lot of them this evening.

https://www.firestormgames.co.uk/space-marines---primaris-inceptors
https://store.ontabletop.com/product/space-marines-primaris-inceptors/
https://alchemistsworkshops.com/product/space-marine-primaris-inceptors/
https://www.goblingaming.co.uk/products/space-marines-primaris-inceptors
https://elementgames.co.uk/games-workshop/warhammer-40k/blood-angels/space-marines-primaris-inceptors
https://thelootroom.com/product/space-marines-primaris-inceptors/

There's more, but you get the idea. It's safe to ignore the due by date in these situations too btw, that's what I found last time anyway, so where it says "Here next week", nah, almost definitely not. I mean, I suppose there could be a worldwide shortage of Inceptors hitting precisely now (the guy that turns the Inceptor printing machine is off sick or something), but that doesn't explain all the other products. This is undeniably due to the current restrictions, and they're about to get worse. Yes, not technically full lockdown, but the effect will be the same, mark my words, there's going to be a shortage of everything soon, you'll see doubters, you'll see

I’m not talking about what they’ll produce and when etc though.
Just pointing out it isn’t the same as March.

Though to the point, it won’t be *as bad* because there won’t be a point where ‘nothing’ is getting made like last time.
But that doesn’t mean they are at full production capacity of course.
(In that, If last time 60% of stuff went out of stock, this time it might only be 30-40%.)

So I'm saying it'll be effectively the same, and you're saying it will be different, but with the same effects, only you think a bit less. I find the evidence you've presented less than compelling tbh Danny (I can present more to support my argument if you want, eg I can add a load retailers to the list of shops that don't have that sku, or just do the same with one of the many other products I planned on buying this month but now expect to wait 3-4 months for, due to those products also being OOS everywhere). Anyway. Same as March, imo.

I didn’t think it was an evidence giving debate to be honest.
Just pointing out that production will continue which is a big difference. Compared to 4 months of no production or however long it was on the first one.
I wasn’t trying to change your mind, just stating my thoughts.

Yeah I know you aren't trying to change my mind and I'm not trying to portray this little chat to something grander. Still though, I have to shrug a bit when I say "This thing going to happen", you say "No not rly though" and I say "Look, here it is happening" and you repeat "Still no".

I gotta say, from here it looks like a near total lock down going into action. Unless I'm missing a meaningful distinction this time, there was a soft lock down for a few weeks this seems like a more serious one, will be nice when this crap is gone for at least awhile.

Danny76 wrote:
I didn’t think it was an evidence giving debate to be honest.
Just pointing out that production will continue which is a big difference. Compared to 4 months of no production or however long it was on the first one.
I wasn’t trying to change your mind, just stating my thoughts.

Last time it was bit short of 2 month. Started early april, production　kicked in end of may.


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JWBS wrote:
It's already happening. As I say, I've been monitoring the shops I use and the products in my basket have been steadily flipping from "In stock" to "available on back order", and just like last time, they remain in the latter category. This also applies to the shops I don't use, I checked a lot of them this evening.

https://www.firestormgames.co.uk/space-marines---primaris-inceptors
https://store.ontabletop.com/product/space-marines-primaris-inceptors/
https://alchemistsworkshops.com/product/space-marine-primaris-inceptors/
https://www.goblingaming.co.uk/products/space-marines-primaris-inceptors
https://elementgames.co.uk/games-workshop/warhammer-40k/blood-angels/space-marines-primaris-inceptors
https://thelootroom.com/product/space-marines-primaris-inceptors/

There's more, but you get the idea. It's safe to ignore the due by date in these situations too btw, that's what I found last time anyway, so where it says "Here next week", nah, almost definitely not. I mean, I suppose there could be a worldwide shortage of Inceptors hitting precisely now (the guy that turns the Inceptor printing machine is off sick or something), but that doesn't explain all the other products. This is undeniably due to the current restrictions, and they're about to get worse. Yes, not technically full lockdown, but the effect will be the same, mark my words, there's going to be a shortage of everything soon, you'll see doubters, you'll see

Guess you have missed all the "out of stock" through　last year. Items being out of stock for long period was what marked whole 2020. Archaon been out of stock for a month now for example(as bare minimum. Don't know when it went. Just when　i first　looked).

Some items being out of stock doesn't mean it's due　to lockdown. Actually lockdown that started yesterday logically wouldn't affect past now would it?

Gw orders have soared up making already strugling stock situation bad. Nor do they switch fast what cast and do small print runs. Casting order is changed in order and lots of castings done at once(which takes time)

They should have started 9 with index codexes like they did with 8th. This way all armies started on the same page. Now we have a few new codexes with a lot of old codexes who still use supplements of 2+ years ago...
Which bothers me.

Well we did just have Christmas - I'd honestly be more surprised if stuff wasn't out of stock right now even if GW was running fully with no lockdowns.

Stuff out of stock now isn't due to the lockdown that went into force recently, its due to the massive shopping spree we do every year around Christmas.

 Overread wrote:
Well we did just have Christmas - I'd honestly be more surprised if stuff wasn't out of stock right now even if GW was running fully with no lockdowns.

Stuff out of stock now isn't due to the lockdown that went into force recently, its due to the massive shopping spree we do every year around Christmas.

Indeed. Happens this every January. That massive dearth of GW product, every January, without fail. The old "No stock January" that GW is known for. Just look back on this very forum. Every January, the newbies asking "Why can't I buy GW stuff" and us Grogs gruffly explaining that ole GW "Dry Jan". Don't believe me? Go look - Jan 2019, 2018, 2017. Always the same!

Krull wrote:
They should have started 9 with index codexes like they did with 8th. This way all armies started on the same page. Now we have a few new codexes with a lot of old codexes who still use supplements of 2+ years ago...
Which bothers me.

That would increase gap between new codexes and indexes. No stratagems, traits etc until codex comes. Xenos/chaos would be screwed atm vs marines and necrons.


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JWBS wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Well we did just have Christmas - I'd honestly be more surprised if stuff wasn't out of stock right now even if GW was running fully with no lockdowns.

Stuff out of stock now isn't due to the lockdown that went into force recently, its due to the massive shopping spree we do every year around Christmas.

Indeed. Happens this every January. That massive dearth of GW product, every January, without fail. The old "No stock January" that GW is known for. Just look back on this very forum. Every January, the newbies asking "Why can't I buy GW stuff" and us Grogs gruffly explaining that ole GW "Dry Jan". Don't believe me? Go look - Jan 2019, 2018, 2017. Always the same!

It's been "why can't i buy x" all 2020.

tneva82 wrote:


It's been "why can't i buy x" all 2020.

Do you honestly need this explained to you again? I've seen it spelled out for you on several occasions, most recently in the xmas bundle thread, the reasons for the stock shortages and product release delays in this particular year, I'm really having difficulty understanding what's so difficult for you to understand about it.

tneva82 wrote:

Krull wrote:
They should have started 9 with index codexes like they did with 8th. This way all armies started on the same page. Now we have a few new codexes with a lot of old codexes who still use supplements of 2+ years ago...
Which bothers me.

That would increase gap between new codexes and indexes. No stratagems, traits etc until codex comes. Xenos/chaos would be screwed atm vs marines and necrons.

why should the Index be without those?

just because GW failed with the Index once does not mean they do it again

I mean this is Nu-GW, they now learn from mistakes

Krull wrote:
They should have started 9 with index codexes like they did with 8th. This way all armies started on the same page. Now we have a few new codexes with a lot of old codexes who still use supplements of 2+ years ago...
Which bothers me.

Force everyone to replace their Codices with a temp get-you-by book, and then buy a new Codex anyway?

The change from 8th to 9th wasn't a paradigm shift like 2nd to 3rd, or 7th to 8th. It did not require Indices.

 kodos wrote:
I mean this is Nu-GW, they now learn from mistakes

I have to assume you're being facetious.

I’d take an accelerated Codex release schedule over Get You By rules any day. Especially when the existing Codex range is now, by extension, already Get You By.

Though that does remind me, I need to Chuck out my older books. Barring the Necron one, as the new Codex doesn’t really do unit background (I’m kinda upset about that. Terribly 3rd Ed, when baby was thrown out with the bath water)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 kodos wrote:
I mean this is Nu-GW, they now learn from mistakes

I have to assume you're being facetious.

well, GW missed the chance to update the profiles for the armies to 8th and now we have to wait for the 9th edi Codex to get them
a 9th edi Index with 2 Wounds for all Marines and similar changes would have been the best way to run the game

At this point it doesn't really matter. There is no serious gaming going on pretty much anywhere, and this looks to be the case all over. 9th is basically in a holding pattern with people mostly just building/painting/hypothesizing, a slow codex release means nothing. The big return from this is that we may at least have a delay on 10th edition by a year.
9th has been out since what? July? and yet all we have are marines and necrons, and the marines are only half released (slightly more) with more kits to come. And we still have more marines coming (although one is dirty marines), before we hit that next Xenos book. So it's safe to say that 9th is just going to hang out as a non game until at least March. That's fine with me.
GW may alter there release schedule accordingly, who knows, but they will need to release a codex for Chaos sooner rather than later or the community will be seriously pissed.

a slow Codex release/rules update now means very much

as this the point were people have time building up their armies, painting, getting stuff done to be ready to play as soon as the situation changes

but people putting now their half done armies on the shelf because they don't know what to do with them until the new rules are out and search for motivation to paint anything at all (instead of trying to be ready to play)

this was the big change to get digital rules updates out, bring stuff on the same level or release free updates for armies to give a hint what is goind to happen with them

"it will take years until you are going to enjoy your army, but why don't you buy some Space Marines now to play" does not work if there is no possibility to play

I'm not sure what constitutes "serious gaming", but a lot of people play at home rather than at a store or convention, and can still do plenty of gaming.

In the UK at least household mixing is more or less completely banned, so the only people playing at home are those of us lucky enough to have spouses and/or kids to bully into playing with us. I don't think people in that situation are really crying out for new codex books are they?

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
I'm not sure what constitutes "serious gaming", but a lot of people play at home rather than at a store or convention, and can still do plenty of gaming.

there are better games to be played at home with family members than 40k

and meeting people from other households is restricted/banned in most of Europe at the moment

Huh, I guess I forgot that some people live in places where you can be banned from going to someone else's house. How are they enforcing that?

And there have always been better games to play anywhere than 40k. But people evidently want to play it anyway.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Huh, I guess I forgot that some people live in places where you can be banned from going to someone else's house. How are they enforcing that?

They said “That horrible virus is still around and a lot of people are dying from it, please don’t go to other households as you may endanger yourself or others” and we said “fair enough.”

Despite the slow(er) codex release, people are obviously still buying, building and painting in their droves. People are using lockdowns to spend time on their hobby, that doesn’t have to be (And pretty much isn’t) gaming.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:

And there have always been better games to play anywhere than 40k. But people evidently want to play it anyway.

the onme big reason why people are playing 40k and not something else is that everyone else plays it and you can get pick up games very easily

but if you cannot get pick up games at all, why should people play with old-Codex Tau VS new-Codex Marines bother with house rules, or try to get their wife/kids into the game etc.
if the main reason to play 40k does not exist any more, and GW does not care to update rules for the stuff you have, there is no reason not to play other games or use other rules for your models (I have seen more people using OPR rules in hte last 2 months than in the last years)

Totally. There's even other GW games I'd play more readily than more 9th ed 40k. If I do want my 40k itch scratched it's Grimdark Future (formerly one-page 40k) all the way now.

Besides lock down gets you stuck at home with your toys so yes people will potentially paint more not less.
Tackling the legendary pile of precious things is now a possibility.

Gaming is secondary or even irrelevant to many and so are new rules.
Although I would think that now is the prime time for companies to flood us with single payer games, adventures etc.

The 2021 lock down is not going away anytime soon by the looks of it, so yeah delays or outofstock is normality.
Kudos to GW for branching out to twitch and other virtual platforms to engage with community.

Hobbies are awesome helping with the mental stability so they are vital today more than ever.

HOW they enforce household lockdown?... they shouldn't need to enforce anything if you are a responsible person.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
I'm not sure what constitutes "serious gaming", but a lot of people play at home rather than at a store or convention, and can still do plenty of gaming.

We're in the middle of a pandemic, and realistically you shouldn't be gaming with anyone unless they live with you, or you happen to live in New Zealand.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
I'm not sure what constitutes "serious gaming", but a lot of people play at home rather than at a store or convention, and can still do plenty of gaming.

We're in the middle of a pandemic, and realistically you shouldn't be gaming with anyone unless they live with you, or you happen to live in New Zealand.

Well, a lot of people probably don't care what you think they should or shouldn't do.

In any case, even if people aren't playing games, and are just building and painting armies, they still probably wouldn't mind updated rules, so they they can plan what to build toward, and possibly be motivated by the exciting new background.

Well, a lot of people probably don't care what you think they should or shouldn't do.

Yes, that's clear from the 20M cases and the 354,000+ deaths so far here in the US. But by all means, feel free to keep playing games of toy soldiers with people if it makes you feel better.