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 LordofHats wrote:
Riri is god's perfect idiot

I think you know that position is already taken.

I really enjoyed that.

Flawed heroes, flawed villains. Everyone in just a bit too deep. None of them necessarily making anything any better.

Definitely strands there I want followed up on.

I found it kind of meh. Parker is a bit by the numbers, but Joe leaves a really good impression. Unfortunately that doesn't do me much good because I really dislike the protagonist. Also...

I think the ending helps somewhat redeem the show. It was enjoyable enough, but mainly in spite of the main character, for all the reasons already mentioned. Parker's gang are entertaining and interesting without being written as in any way "the good guys". Zeke has a better character arc than Riri and Parker himself is well written. It's just Riri that annoys me, which is a problem when she's the main character.

 Geifer wrote:
I found it kind of meh. Parker is a bit by the numbers, but Joe leaves a really good impression. Unfortunately that doesn't do me much good because I really dislike the protagonist. Also...

Spoiler:

...the whole business where the suit is both super expensive and thrown together from junk found in the scrapyard just doesn't go together. Plus the complete absence of any investigation into the suit wearing criminal by the authorities. The whole things feels jarring.

That is a really good point.

There are many hits to verisimilitude.

Ultimately while I don't like Riri, she's not boring.

Boring is the worst thing anything in a story can be. If nothing else, I find she is an interesting point of discussion about character and narrative etc etc, which might only appeal to me specifically but ultimately Ironheart sets up a situation more than it tries to resolve anything. But who knows if/when we'll ever get a resolution to the characters and their circumstances.

To the decision at the end;



Ultimately, it's some of the framing around the show that lets it down. If the show had just bothered to ground Riri's turn to criminality, I think most of my issues with her would be resolved. If the show bothered to be realistic about the financial angle, most of my issues would be resolved. It's really just the frame around the show and how streets of Chicago always seem to be conveniently empty. I was in Chicago recently. The streets in parts can be pretty empty but not totally empty. The core of the show I think is actually pretty smart in trying to slap a mess in front of you ans asking you to think something about it, but then the plate around the meal is just full of cracks and distracting.