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As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

Don't worry, GW, we didn't want any of our HQs, units, or wargear back. Clearly giving SoB the Dreadknight equivalent absolutely no one was asking for is far more important.

Xenos wise I'd be content if Dark Eldar, Tyranids and Tau didn't get big updates this edition. Necrons didn't "need" the update they got but they got a freaking good one that's brought almost everything barring the heroes and old C'tan into modern plastics.

Craftworld Eldar need the update most of all the factions; when even their core infantry are almost first generation plastics and such and when a huge part of their theme (aspect warriors) are still running around in finecast and even metal.

Let this edition be Craftworld and Necron; Tau, DE and Tyranids can have a drip-feed edition of one or two new models here and there.


And if a "new army" appears let it be Tau allies - ergo likely a kroot core with lots of xenos varied allies built around it.



Heck redoing most of the Craftworld would at least let GW's new pet Yinnari do something.

Assuming that DE are coming before DA that is.

But yes, GW seem to relish in the "here are kits you don't need or didn't ask for", while completely ignoring Aeldari needs at the most basic level. Marines at this point are at a ridiculous level (don't see too many people dying to field the bunker or servo turret), and sisters have a great new range. The dead horse can no longer be beaten any flatter than it already is.

The sister walker looks awful. Maybe if you used the helmeted head and cut the sister's arms off so it just looked like a bot instead, then maybe it would look okay?

 BertBert wrote:
Between the sisterbot and the Vampires/Cursed City one really has to wonder why there is such a massive gap in design quality.

GW these days isn't great at coming up with new concepts. The Vampire counts aren't a new concept, just throw some cool armour on a cool pose and it's all good.

I think part of what makes the Vampires look good is they don't have overly complicated poses like a lot of modern GW figures. They're not bounding off terrain or doing some weird gymnastics, they're just standing there like badasses.

Yeah GW sucks at new canoptek walkes and hexmark destroyers and trilegged destroyers.


I do admit some of the new primaris machines are bit questionable (looking at you go-kart and "Alien loader scout mech); but I think the SoB stuff is solid.

I think there's just some kits people gush over en-mass and others where there is variation in the market. One big element is how many SoB players are keen for the model rather than those of us who are simply on the side-lines as it were and not committed SoB players (and ergo won't be buying the model even if it was pure awesome incarnate).

I also think its always best to reserve final judgement until the model is out in the wild and people have actually seen it in person. Sometimes you have to see and hold and work with a model to really decide if you like it or not. Sometimes even just a different paint scheme can turn some people from loathing a model to loving it.



Though at least GW always gives us photos of actual models - too many firms today give out only 3D renderings with limited photos which makes it hard to even judge the scale of detailing and final quality.

Only thing I’m not massively keen on with the Nundam is the heavy bolter’s ammo hopper.

Just looks too chunky.

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The sister walker looks awful. Maybe if you used the helmeted head and cut the sister's arms off so it just looked like a bot instead, then maybe it would look okay?

 BertBert wrote:
Between the sisterbot and the Vampires/Cursed City one really has to wonder why there is such a massive gap in design quality.

GW these days isn't great at coming up with new concepts. The Vampire counts aren't a new concept, just throw some cool armour on a cool pose and it's all good.

I don't know. GW has made some cool things recently. The Fox elemental is cool, but the kangaroo riders and Moontain aren't. The new undead guy from Quest is really awesome, unless you consider it just an undead with fancy gear. The new Crypteks are all really cool. But like some people have said, AOS is getting all the really creative stuff and 40k is getting whatever the paragon suit is

 Dysartes wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

Nothing for DA isn't surprising. That's when we'll finally see the extraneous marine releases finished- the stormspeeder and eradicator box are all that's left now? HI and Captain are stuffed into the kill team box, and preorder for bladeguard is the 30th.

DE just looks like its an unfortunate, intentional miss. Even just a couple things to replace finecast (mandrakes, grotesques, beasts) would have gone a long way to show GW has some interest in supporting the eldar lines at all.

At this point they really need to make Craftworlds the big 40k release of 2021. So much of that range is gakked.

The sister exosuit is actually what I'd consider "perfect" for an imperial look. It's got the gothic trims, it's clearly hi-tech in places, but it's high-tech applied by barbarians essentially. I do enjoy some of the primarines looks, but they are a bit too...sensible to fit imperial philosophy.

The Sisters exosuit feels like such a waste of development time, when so many cool things in that army don’t have plastic kits yet. I’d honestly rather be getting a kit for crusaders or death cult assassins.

Voss wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

Nothing for DA isn't surprising. That's when we'll finally see the extraneous marine releases finished- the stormspeeder and eradicator box are all that's left now? HI and Captain are stuffed into the kill team box, and preorder for bladeguard is the 30th.

DE just looks like its an unfortunate, intentional miss. Even just a couple things to replace finecast (mandrakes, grotesques, beasts) would have gone a long way to show GW has some interest in supporting the eldar lines at all.

At this point they really need to make Craftworlds the big 40k release of 2021. So much of that range is gakked.

As a loooong time Craftworlds player. I think it’s just time we all accept that it’s never getting updated. I mean they redid practically the whole Necron line and CWE are still saddled with kits older than dirt. With the massive insult that was Blood of the Phoenix GW showed that they do not, have not, and will not ever refresh that line. More than likely the new Banshees and Jain Zar were just some old kits they had sitting around for years and just needed to dump out, there’s no way you can convince me they’re working on anything Eldar related.

At this point my guess is that they are trying to figure out what to do with Craftworlds. I believe Ynnari was the original plan but that has probably changed due various factors.

Yinnari I think came from the same manager/team as Primaris.

Primaris were likely just going to be the revamped new space marine sculpts; add a few extra units and we're done like before. Only somoene came up with the idea to make them a separate force within the army instead. Which is why so many of their original models and new ones are basically revamped space marine model designs. Heck the new Primaris this week is a new landspeeder.

Yinnari is the same kind of idea; though instead of releasing a new army its all about taking two Xenos armies and making a 3rd from the combined models. GW doesn't have to release much more than one or two models and the rest come from the existing model lines. However no one reminded them that the vast majority of Craftworld are super old models and many key models (like aspects) were all unpopular finecast and even some metal.

So it sort of hit a brick wall. Perhaps their plan was to formally merge the two and dump old models and keep newer ones - don't revamp the guardians say that craftworlders died out and were replaced with DE warriors etc...


Regardless Craftworld are standing out as being really behind the times right now and that holds Yinnari back as well.

I think there's a snowball effect at work. A range like Sisters or Primaris already looks in good shape so it already has a bunch of players or collectors and so new kits have a guaranteed audience. A range like Craftworld Eldar in particular needs so much work to bring it up to date - never mind to expand it - that just putting out two or three new kits in a single won't be enough. There isn't enough of an audience to buy it. What they have to do instead is set up a wholescale Death Guard or Necrons scale release and put out a swathe of stuff in one go. That takes a lot of design and production resources. I'm sure they will do it eventually.

Personally I don't mind the Nunwalker. I think the one holding the mace looks the best. But then I like (and have) the Dreadknight also. The only thing I don't like about the Nunwalker is that when that leg showed up on as a preview image I had really hoped it was for some sort of heavy Skitarri for the Ad Mech.

 Dysartes wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

It Is that way round yeah.
But I never expected anything for DA except the remaining marine kits.

I would see Ynnari was a test to see how popular they are and how much work they should put into it

and for a full re-design of the range (as new plastic kits for most models)
it would be 4-5 years after the Ynnari sales proofed to be worth it

soviet13 wrote:
I think there's a snowball effect at work. A range like Sisters or Primaris already looks in good shape so it already has a bunch of players or collectors and so new kits have a guaranteed audience.

Sisters only just had a full range revamp - almost the entire range - early last year. They got then what Craftworld basically needs as well. Sisters were really old too and most were still in metal even the infantry options. Right now Sisters are rocking a fully modern army where only a few units are left in finecast and there's a huge amount in plastic.

 Overread wrote:
Yinnari I think came from the same manager/team as Primaris.

Primaris were likely just going to be the revamped new space marine sculpts; add a few extra units and we're done like before. Only somoene came up with the idea to make them a separate force within the army instead. Which is why so many of their original models and new ones are basically revamped space marine model designs. Heck the new Primaris this week is a new landspeeder.

Yinnari is the same kind of idea; though instead of releasing a new army its all about taking two Xenos armies and making a 3rd from the combined models. GW doesn't have to release much more than one or two models and the rest come from the existing model lines. However no one reminded them that the vast majority of Craftworld are super old models and many key models (like aspects) were all unpopular finecast and even some metal.

So it sort of hit a brick wall. Perhaps their plan was to formally merge the two and dump old models and keep newer ones - don't revamp the guardians say that craftworlders died out and were replaced with DE warriors etc...


Regardless Craftworld are standing out as being really behind the times right now and that holds Yinnari back as well.

The original idea I am willing to bet on(and I have posted before) is that the intention was to make three separate Aeldari forces.

- Wraith Aeldari. Remember all the Iyanden supplements and the wraithknight, wraith flyer, wraithguard with 4 different options? I am willing to bet the intention was to make a very distinct faction that was the undead Aeldari.
- Covens. They also got a supplement and we got the Wrack kit that had bits to make your vehicles using wrack bits.
- Ynnari. The rest. The ones who do not believe in body modifications(Covens) or don't want to be wraiths(Wraith Aeldari) as it starves their new deity.

Then management changed and plans changed and we have this weird leftovers from this original idea.

That's my guess.

 Dysartes wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

Yes. Indeed da preorder next saturday

tneva82 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

Yes. Indeed da preorder next saturday

And psychomancer. Wooo!

We've finally caught up to... October's codexes.
Well, whenever Kill team comes out.

DA, I think, have the absolute worst Combat Patrol yet. I realize these are the multi-part kits, but the mini-starter version of Know No Fear was a better deal for these marines.

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

Yes. Indeed da preorder next saturday

And psychomancer. Wooo!

We've finally caught up to... October's codexes.
Well, whenever Kill team comes out.

DA, I think, have the absolute worst Combat Patrol yet. I realize these are the multi-part kits, but the mini-starter version of Know No Fear was a better deal for these marines.

No, deathwatch has the worst box set.

This is a great box for a starting DA player. Plasma Inceptors, plasma dread, chaplain and intercessors. Goes a long way.

Based on what we know about how GWs design studio operates, 99% probability that the entirety of the plastic redesigns for Craftworlds, and probably quite a bit of new kits as well, have already been sculpted, some of them have probably gone through the engineering process, and are just waiting to have molds cut and plastics produced. Its a question of when, not if.

Hopefully with DA being on preorder next weekend it’ll only be 4 weeks until we can get hold of the new Drukhari book. I mean heaven forbid we couldn’t let a xenos release squeeze ahead of yet more power armour!

 bullyboy wrote:

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

Yes. Indeed da preorder next saturday

And psychomancer. Wooo!

We've finally caught up to... October's codexes.
Well, whenever Kill team comes out.

DA, I think, have the absolute worst Combat Patrol yet. I realize these are the multi-part kits, but the mini-starter version of Know No Fear was a better deal for these marines.

No, deathwatch has the worst box set.

This is a great box for a starting DA player. Plasma Inceptors, plasma dread, chaplain and intercessors. Goes a long way.

Hmm. It has better stuff than the other boxes, but less stuff also. There seems to be 5 infantry models missing

The Sister-suit feels like it would have been more at home with the Knights than the Sisters. Bit of a missed opportunity there, I'd say.

 bullyboy wrote:

No, deathwatch has the worst box set.

This is a great box for a starting DA player. Plasma Inceptors, plasma dread, chaplain and intercessors. Goes a long way.

Legitimately baffled. DW and BA are the only two I'd even consider buying.

Plasma inceptors are basically anti-synergy to the DA chapter tactic, and are expensive suicide squads.
There are tons of primaris chaplains at this point, 5 intercessors are basically filler (with much cheaper sources) and you're not getting enough of a discount on the redemptor dread through this box.

Voss wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

No, deathwatch has the worst box set.

This is a great box for a starting DA player. Plasma Inceptors, plasma dread, chaplain and intercessors. Goes a long way.

Legitimately baffled. DW and BA are the only two I'd even consider buying.

Plasma inceptors are basically anti-synergy to the DA chapter tactic, and are expensive suicide squads.
There are tons of primaris chaplains at this point, 5 intercessors are basically filler (with much cheaper sources) and you're not getting enough of a discount on the redemptor dread through this box.

You aren't considering the potential stratagems for the dark angel inceptors, especially if they get weapons of the dark age or a version of it.

We also don't know the full dark angel super doctrine as of yet, could be plasma based (probably not). Wait for the rules before making hyperbole judgements on box sets.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

No, deathwatch has the worst box set.

This is a great box for a starting DA player. Plasma Inceptors, plasma dread, chaplain and intercessors. Goes a long way.

Legitimately baffled. DW and BA are the only two I'd even consider buying.

Plasma inceptors are basically anti-synergy to the DA chapter tactic, and are expensive suicide squads.
There are tons of primaris chaplains at this point, 5 intercessors are basically filler (with much cheaper sources) and you're not getting enough of a discount on the redemptor dread through this box.

You aren't considering the potential stratagems for the dark angel inceptors, especially if they get weapons of the dark age or a version of it.

We also don't know the full dark angel super doctrine as of yet, could be plasma based (probably not). Wait for the rules before making hyperbole judgements on box sets.

Wasn't aware the DA supplement would change the price of the redemptor, change the availablity of several starter boxes full of intercessors, or reduce the number of primaris chaplain releases.

 Eldarsif wrote:
At this point my guess is that they are trying to figure out what to do with Craftworlds. I believe Ynnari was the original plan but that has probably changed due various factors.

Including that dark eldar and CWE do not belong on the same side of the table, ever...