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Voss wrote:

DanielFM wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

DanielFM wrote:
Is it me, or is leaving Heavy Intercessors for the KT release a real dick move by GW?

Those will push sales and probably clear the initial run of these boxes. FOMO and the push to have the 'latest thing' will drive a lot of sales.

The only things that might push sales down is if the price is way too high, or if people find they can't ditch the flayed ones (which is quite possible, since the codex has so many other melee units now)

I meant sales of the (far) future stand alone Heavy Intercessors box, not the KT one.
When they are released people will already have plenty from KT and they aren't must take.

Voss wrote:

Its just really strange that they designed four different types of launcher for this one kit, then shrugged and went... nah. Just bodge two missiles on there, its fine.
The even-more-meltier multimelta is just as odd from a rules perspective. Lets just randomly throw another new profile in the book for this one vehicle. The model designers really felt it needed that extra shot, so into the _five and half_ solid pages of weapon profiles it goes.

That's primaris marine design ethos weapon profiles for weapon profile god.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

 Chimaera wrote:
Thx for info JWBS.

Anyone know if there will be any DA specific models included in release?

It appears not. I kind of thought they would put either Lazarus (since he can also be built as a generic DA captain) or the DA Lieutenant in the Combat Patrol box, but they chose to put a Chappy in instead.

Thought they would have at least done Azrael, couple of others also begging for resculpt.

Anyone think the Lion will be arriving anytime soon? With Bobby hitting the scene the Lion seems a very reasonable choice for the next returning Primarch.

I don't know, I used to think they'd add another loyalist Big Man but it feels like they just don't give much of a crap anymore. They've had a long time to plop another one down. That said now that I've said that they may announce one just to make me a liar, so maybe you'll all be in luck soon.

 Chimaera wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:

 Chimaera wrote:
Thx for info JWBS.

Anyone know if there will be any DA specific models included in release?

It appears not. I kind of thought they would put either Lazarus (since he can also be built as a generic DA captain) or the DA Lieutenant in the Combat Patrol box, but they chose to put a Chappy in instead.

Thought they would have at least done Azrael, couple of others also begging for resculpt.

Anyone think the Lion will be arriving anytime soon? With Bobby hitting the scene the Lion seems a very reasonable choice for the next returning Primarch.

Yeah I don't understand why they made a brand new character for Lazarus rather than updating one of the ancient character models like they did with Mephiston, Tigurius, & Khan. Most of them are from the original Angels of Death codex in 2E.

"Buried deep inside the last bedrock of old Caliban is the greatest of all the Dark Angels’ secrets. Hidden in the innermost chamber that is unreachable by all save the cryptic Watchers in the Dark, Lion El’Jonson slumbers. His wounds long healed, he awaits a time when he is most needed, when the clarion call of battle summons him to once more lead his sons to defend the Imperium of Mankind."

The Lion will come eventually, although now we're almost certainly looking at 10E or later. I wonder if they're waiting to make a big themed release around Dark Angels versus Fallen Chaos Marines, perhaps as a campaign box or edition starter set.

I'm glad we finally have a date for the Storm Speeder, the only 40K vehicle capable of removing its users' eardrums. Some days I still feel compelled to get one so I can convert the guy in the gunner seat into a Noise Marine.

Erradicators 40e
storm speeder 55e
bladeguards 40e

psico necro 25e

 xttz wrote:

 Chimaera wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:

 Chimaera wrote:
Thx for info JWBS.

Anyone know if there will be any DA specific models included in release?

It appears not. I kind of thought they would put either Lazarus (since he can also be built as a generic DA captain) or the DA Lieutenant in the Combat Patrol box, but they chose to put a Chappy in instead.

Thought they would have at least done Azrael, couple of others also begging for resculpt.

Anyone think the Lion will be arriving anytime soon? With Bobby hitting the scene the Lion seems a very reasonable choice for the next returning Primarch.

Yeah I don't understand why they made a brand new character for Lazarus rather than updating one of the ancient character models like they did with Mephiston, Tigurius, & Khan. Most of them are from the original Angels of Death codex in 2E.

"Buried deep inside the last bedrock of old Caliban is the greatest of all the Dark Angels’ secrets. Hidden in the innermost chamber that is unreachable by all save the cryptic Watchers in the Dark, Lion El’Jonson slumbers. His wounds long healed, he awaits a time when he is most needed, when the clarion call of battle summons him to once more lead his sons to defend the Imperium of Mankind."

The Lion will come eventually, although now we're almost certainly looking at 10E or later. I wonder if they're waiting to make a big themed release around Dark Angels versus Fallen Chaos Marines, perhaps as a campaign box or edition starter set.

I don't think the Fallen or actually DA's are a big enough faction to make a dedicated box edition (again - Dark Vengeance). I also think GW has learnt it's lesson finally by no longer going down the route of chapter specific box sets, not including Death watch and other niche chapters or super popular ones like SW. However, the advantage they do have now is they can just include transfers or upgrade sets if they do really want a chapter specific box set without invalidating many players that would just want the generic models for their own chapter factions.

I think the Lion will come after the third daemon primarch, and potentially with Russ. I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if it was in the fashion of Bobby G's release where it was more of a release for all imperium factions in a Triumvirate style set as opposed to being released as a purely DA/SW release.

Speculation anyway. I'm still holding out that the DA's may get a specific primaris unit of some sort like BA and SW, be it an outrider squad with ravening upgrade sprue, or bladeguards with DA sprue and a custom datasheet - Bladeguard monster hunters, or outrider knights etc. My theory for the Deathwing Strike master will actually be some form of bladeguard lieutenant. We shall see.

 xttz wrote:
Yeah I don't understand why they made a brand new character for Lazarus rather than updating one of the ancient character models like they did with Mephiston, Tigurius, & Khan. Most of them are from the original Angels of Death codex in 2E.

"Buried deep inside the last bedrock of old Caliban is the greatest of all the Dark Angels’ secrets. Hidden in the innermost chamber that is unreachable by all save the cryptic Watchers in the Dark, Lion El’Jonson slumbers. His wounds long healed, he awaits a time when he is most needed, when the clarion call of battle summons him to once more lead his sons to defend the Imperium of Mankind."

The Lion will come eventually, although now we're almost certainly looking at 10E or later. I wonder if they're waiting to make a big themed release around Dark Angels versus Fallen Chaos Marines, perhaps as a campaign box or edition starter set.

My own theory is that GW intended Lazarus to be the basis for a primaris-scale Azrael conversion, for players who wanted that option. He has the same basic kit (sword, custom rifle, winged helmet) and the usual DA robes and iconography. From their perspective, that may take the urgency out of replacing Az himself.

I'm sure we'll get an Azrael resculpt eventually, but at this point probably not until the next codex.

I agree with you on the Lion - they're saving him for something big, but who knows what.

Isengrim wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Yeah I don't understand why they made a brand new character for Lazarus rather than updating one of the ancient character models like they did with Mephiston, Tigurius, & Khan. Most of them are from the original Angels of Death codex in 2E.

"Buried deep inside the last bedrock of old Caliban is the greatest of all the Dark Angels’ secrets. Hidden in the innermost chamber that is unreachable by all save the cryptic Watchers in the Dark, Lion El’Jonson slumbers. His wounds long healed, he awaits a time when he is most needed, when the clarion call of battle summons him to once more lead his sons to defend the Imperium of Mankind."

The Lion will come eventually, although now we're almost certainly looking at 10E or later. I wonder if they're waiting to make a big themed release around Dark Angels versus Fallen Chaos Marines, perhaps as a campaign box or edition starter set.

My own theory is that GW intended Lazarus to be the basis for a primaris-scale Azrael conversion, for players who wanted that option. He has the same basic kit (sword, custom rifle, winged helmet) and the usual DA robes and iconography. From their perspective, that may take the urgency out of replacing Az himself.

I'm sure we'll get an Azrael resculpt eventually, but at this point probably not until the next codex.

I agree with you on the Lion - they're saving him for something big, but who knows what.

Not quite the right gun for AZ, his lions wrath combi weapon is fairly iconic to him, just as much as the sword of secrets or lion helm. However, I do think you may be partially right, in the sense that he may have started out as an AZ re-sculpt and then was changed to Lazarus for some reason.

Master Balthazar from the Dark Vengeance set was blatantly an Azrael resculpt that was changed for some reason.

zamerion wrote:
Erradicators 40e
storm speeder 55e
bladeguards 40e

psico necro 25e

Pretty much as expected. In GBP this will be:

Bladeguard / Eradicators £30
Storm Speeder £40

Necron dude £20

 xttz wrote:

zamerion wrote:
Erradicators 40e
storm speeder 55e
bladeguards 40e

psico necro 25e

Pretty much as expected. In GBP this will be:

Bladeguard / Eradicators £30
Storm Speeder £40

Necron dude £20

£31.50, £42 and £21 from the price list I’ve seen.

First preview of the week

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/25/discover-new-dark-angels-rules-and-relics-to-dominate-close-combat/

They seem pretty obnoxious.

Enter the Nope Angels. No matter what you are trying to do, they refuse to let it happen

And all of a sudden, Mortarion with all his nerfing auras is not so bad...



Probably far easier said than done tbh though.

I feel like warhammer is entering another bloated and overwhelming era of obnoxiousness.

It needs to reign in quite a bit and chill the hell out haha. If you’re not instantly obliterating something, you’re stopping it from doing anything it wants to.

If 9th continues like this I may need to take a break and focus on Legion for a while.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
And all of a sudden, Mortarion with all his nerfing auras is not so bad...



Probably far easier said than done tbh though.

so it is vox scream, except it's a psy power, has more reach, has a cheaper pricetag, has no CP cost and actively screws over auras like the new DG stuff but also GSC things etc...



what was the joke? "and they shall know no unfavourable rules?"

It's one psychic power that works on one unit, it isn't that game breaking. In the case of the DG you could just double up with morty and the miasmic malignifier, you can't turn both -1 T off, though, the ability to turn off Mortys movement nerfing is good.

It's good hard counters to hard counters, it's fine really and makes gameplay more tactical than point and delete. DG will be looking at ways to snipe/negate the librarian and it is just a librarian casting this remember, not the hardest thing to counter psychic powers, especially in a fairly heavy psychic army like DG. On the other hand, the DA will be looking at ways to ensure the librarian survives and succeeds.

Anything that brings more diversity to the game model and build wise as well, librarians aren't really seen as vital to most marine builds currently, this changes that for at least the DA, which means we will see different marine looking armies rather than the same units in different coloured power armour.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
And all of a sudden, Mortarion with all his nerfing auras is not so bad...



Probably far easier said than done tbh though.

WC7 and no compared leadership test? Sounds pretty easy.
Downright hateful against armies that don't have psykers/psychic defense.

Sigh. Immediate rules question on Engulfing Fear: do you compare the psychic test to the leadership characteristic before or after engulfing fear modifies it to see if the target can perform actions?


And, oh good. They get a multipart special snowflake doctrine.

So dark angels have two different stratagems to represent the same fluff idea of a fighting retreat, that's odd.

But yeah in general DA seem to be "older edition Eldar/Tau Marines" in the way that they're all about turning off the gak you bought and paid points for. That's always fun to play against.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I feel like warhammer is entering another bloated and overwhelming era of obnoxiousness.

It needs to reign in quite a bit and chill the hell out haha. If you’re not instantly obliterating something, you’re stopping it from doing anything it wants to.

If 9th continues like this I may need to take a break and focus on Legion for a while.

I have been focusing painting away from 40k as the extreme rules and power creep is getting bit old.

The Combat Patrol is tempting. I really only want the Redemptor that can't be found anywhere right now, but I've been weighing the idea of more Inceptors. Not a bad value at all. Wish this had been the DW box.

Not Online!!! wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
And all of a sudden, Mortarion with all his nerfing auras is not so bad...



Probably far easier said than done tbh though.

so it is vox scream, except it's a psy power, has more reach, has a cheaper pricetag, has no CP cost and actively screws over auras like the new DG stuff but also GSC things etc...

Spoiler:

what was the joke? "and they shall know no unfavourable rules?"

Vox scream is automatic, close to unblockable, has the same range and turns off ALL aura abilities, this turns off ONE aura ability.

Oh lord DA look completely bonkers.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
It's one psychic power that works on one unit, it isn't that game breaking. In the case of the DG you could just double up with morty and the miasmic malignifier, you can't turn both -1 T off, though, the ability to turn off Mortys movement nerfing is good.

Movement nerfing is a contagion as well. The two aura he has is the chaos lord re-rolls and the no-rerolls-aura from one of his warlord traits.

the_scotsman wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
And all of a sudden, Mortarion with all his nerfing auras is not so bad...



Probably far easier said than done tbh though.

so it is vox scream, except it's a psy power, has more reach, has a cheaper pricetag, has no CP cost and actively screws over auras like the new DG stuff but also GSC things etc...

Spoiler:

what was the joke? "and they shall know no unfavourable rules?"

Vox scream is automatic, close to unblockable, has the same range and turns off ALL aura abilities, this turns off ONE aura ability.

And Vox Scream works from ANY Night Lords unit, not just psykers. The Eighth Legion is still better at shutting down auras.

It's the idea of DA infantry shooting everthying into melee that seems ridiculous. Aggressors and eradicators will be dangerous to charge, especially with the strategem that prevents models not in the first rank from fighting.

Yes the whole shooting into melee thing, I can hear thousands of T'au players cry out at once.....

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Yes the whole shooting into melee thing, I can hear thousands of T'au players cry out at once.....

Wouldn't worry. With codex creep tau might very well get shoot　into melee(even if you aren't in melee) at +1