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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 06:53:03
Subject: Dark Angels releases February
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Bounding Assault Marine
Madrid, Spain
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Voss wrote:DanielFM wrote:beast_gts wrote:DanielFM wrote:Is it me, or is leaving Heavy Intercessors for the KT release a real dick move by GW?
Those will push sales and probably clear the initial run of these boxes. FOMO and the push to have the 'latest thing' will drive a lot of sales.
The only things that might push sales down is if the price is way too high, or if people find they can't ditch the flayed ones (which is quite possible, since the codex has so many other melee units now)
I meant sales of the (far) future stand alone Heavy Intercessors box, not the KT one.
When they are released people will already have plenty from KT and they aren't must take.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 08:15:28
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Voss wrote:
Its just really strange that they designed four different types of launcher for this one kit, then shrugged and went... nah. Just bodge two missiles on there, its fine.
The even-more-meltier multimelta is just as odd from a rules perspective. Lets just randomly throw another new profile in the book for this one vehicle. The model designers really felt it needed that extra shot, so into the _five and half_ solid pages of weapon profiles it goes.
That's primaris marine design ethos  weapon profiles for weapon profile god.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 09:45:39
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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ZergSmasher wrote: Chimaera wrote:Thx for info JWBS.
Anyone know if there will be any DA specific models included in release?
It appears not. I kind of thought they would put either Lazarus (since he can also be built as a generic DA captain) or the DA Lieutenant in the Combat Patrol box, but they chose to put a Chappy in instead.
Thought they would have at least done Azrael, couple of others also begging for resculpt.
Anyone think the Lion will be arriving anytime soon? With Bobby hitting the scene the Lion seems a very reasonable choice for the next returning Primarch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 09:55:27
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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I don't know, I used to think they'd add another loyalist Big Man but it feels like they just don't give much of a crap anymore. They've had a long time to plop another one down. That said now that I've said that they may announce one just to make me a liar, so maybe you'll all be in luck soon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 09:58:52
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Chimaera wrote: ZergSmasher wrote: Chimaera wrote:Thx for info JWBS.
Anyone know if there will be any DA specific models included in release?
It appears not. I kind of thought they would put either Lazarus (since he can also be built as a generic DA captain) or the DA Lieutenant in the Combat Patrol box, but they chose to put a Chappy in instead.
Thought they would have at least done Azrael, couple of others also begging for resculpt.
Anyone think the Lion will be arriving anytime soon? With Bobby hitting the scene the Lion seems a very reasonable choice for the next returning Primarch.
Yeah I don't understand why they made a brand new character for Lazarus rather than updating one of the ancient character models like they did with Mephiston, Tigurius, & Khan. Most of them are from the original Angels of Death codex in 2E.
" Buried deep inside the last bedrock of old Caliban is the greatest of all the Dark Angels’ secrets. Hidden in the innermost chamber that is unreachable by all save the cryptic Watchers in the Dark, Lion El’Jonson slumbers. His wounds long healed, he awaits a time when he is most needed, when the clarion call of battle summons him to once more lead his sons to defend the Imperium of Mankind."
The Lion will come eventually, although now we're almost certainly looking at 10E or later. I wonder if they're waiting to make a big themed release around Dark Angels versus Fallen Chaos Marines, perhaps as a campaign box or edition starter set.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 10:12:05
Subject: Re:Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Focused Fire Warrior
Les Etats Unis
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I'm glad we finally have a date for the Storm Speeder, the only 40K vehicle capable of removing its users' eardrums. Some days I still feel compelled to get one so I can convert the guy in the gunner seat into a Noise Marine.
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Dudeface wrote: Eldarain wrote:Is there another game where players consistently blame each other for the failings of the creator?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 10:16:41
Subject: Re:Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Erradicators 40e
storm speeder 55e
bladeguards 40e
psico necro 25e
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 10:22:09
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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xttz wrote: Chimaera wrote: ZergSmasher wrote: Chimaera wrote:Thx for info JWBS.
Anyone know if there will be any DA specific models included in release?
It appears not. I kind of thought they would put either Lazarus (since he can also be built as a generic DA captain) or the DA Lieutenant in the Combat Patrol box, but they chose to put a Chappy in instead.
Thought they would have at least done Azrael, couple of others also begging for resculpt.
Anyone think the Lion will be arriving anytime soon? With Bobby hitting the scene the Lion seems a very reasonable choice for the next returning Primarch.
Yeah I don't understand why they made a brand new character for Lazarus rather than updating one of the ancient character models like they did with Mephiston, Tigurius, & Khan. Most of them are from the original Angels of Death codex in 2E.
" Buried deep inside the last bedrock of old Caliban is the greatest of all the Dark Angels’ secrets. Hidden in the innermost chamber that is unreachable by all save the cryptic Watchers in the Dark, Lion El’Jonson slumbers. His wounds long healed, he awaits a time when he is most needed, when the clarion call of battle summons him to once more lead his sons to defend the Imperium of Mankind."
The Lion will come eventually, although now we're almost certainly looking at 10E or later. I wonder if they're waiting to make a big themed release around Dark Angels versus Fallen Chaos Marines, perhaps as a campaign box or edition starter set.
I don't think the Fallen or actually DA's are a big enough faction to make a dedicated box edition (again - Dark Vengeance). I also think GW has learnt it's lesson finally by no longer going down the route of chapter specific box sets, not including Death watch and other niche chapters or super popular ones like SW. However, the advantage they do have now is they can just include transfers or upgrade sets if they do really want a chapter specific box set without invalidating many players that would just want the generic models for their own chapter factions.
I think the Lion will come after the third daemon primarch, and potentially with Russ. I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if it was in the fashion of Bobby G's release where it was more of a release for all imperium factions in a Triumvirate style set as opposed to being released as a purely DA/ SW release.
Speculation anyway. I'm still holding out that the DA's may get a specific primaris unit of some sort like BA and SW, be it an outrider squad with ravening upgrade sprue, or bladeguards with DA sprue and a custom datasheet - Bladeguard monster hunters, or outrider knights etc. My theory for the Deathwing Strike master will actually be some form of bladeguard lieutenant. We shall see.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 10:30:06
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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xttz wrote: Yeah I don't understand why they made a brand new character for Lazarus rather than updating one of the ancient character models like they did with Mephiston, Tigurius, & Khan. Most of them are from the original Angels of Death codex in 2E.
" Buried deep inside the last bedrock of old Caliban is the greatest of all the Dark Angels’ secrets. Hidden in the innermost chamber that is unreachable by all save the cryptic Watchers in the Dark, Lion El’Jonson slumbers. His wounds long healed, he awaits a time when he is most needed, when the clarion call of battle summons him to once more lead his sons to defend the Imperium of Mankind."
The Lion will come eventually, although now we're almost certainly looking at 10E or later. I wonder if they're waiting to make a big themed release around Dark Angels versus Fallen Chaos Marines, perhaps as a campaign box or edition starter set.
My own theory is that GW intended Lazarus to be the basis for a primaris-scale Azrael conversion, for players who wanted that option. He has the same basic kit (sword, custom rifle, winged helmet) and the usual DA robes and iconography. From their perspective, that may take the urgency out of replacing Az himself.
I'm sure we'll get an Azrael resculpt eventually, but at this point probably not until the next codex.
I agree with you on the Lion - they're saving him for something big, but who knows what.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 10:33:52
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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Isengrim wrote: xttz wrote: Yeah I don't understand why they made a brand new character for Lazarus rather than updating one of the ancient character models like they did with Mephiston, Tigurius, & Khan. Most of them are from the original Angels of Death codex in 2E.
" Buried deep inside the last bedrock of old Caliban is the greatest of all the Dark Angels’ secrets. Hidden in the innermost chamber that is unreachable by all save the cryptic Watchers in the Dark, Lion El’Jonson slumbers. His wounds long healed, he awaits a time when he is most needed, when the clarion call of battle summons him to once more lead his sons to defend the Imperium of Mankind."
The Lion will come eventually, although now we're almost certainly looking at 10E or later. I wonder if they're waiting to make a big themed release around Dark Angels versus Fallen Chaos Marines, perhaps as a campaign box or edition starter set.
My own theory is that GW intended Lazarus to be the basis for a primaris-scale Azrael conversion, for players who wanted that option. He has the same basic kit (sword, custom rifle, winged helmet) and the usual DA robes and iconography. From their perspective, that may take the urgency out of replacing Az himself.
I'm sure we'll get an Azrael resculpt eventually, but at this point probably not until the next codex.
I agree with you on the Lion - they're saving him for something big, but who knows what.
Not quite the right gun for AZ, his lions wrath combi weapon is fairly iconic to him, just as much as the sword of secrets or lion helm. However, I do think you may be partially right, in the sense that he may have started out as an AZ re-sculpt and then was changed to Lazarus for some reason.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 11:12:48
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Master Balthazar from the Dark Vengeance set was blatantly an Azrael resculpt that was changed for some reason.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 11:31:24
Subject: Re:Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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zamerion wrote:Erradicators 40e
storm speeder 55e
bladeguards 40e
psico necro 25e
Pretty much as expected. In GBP this will be:
Bladeguard / Eradicators £30
Storm Speeder £40
Necron dude £20
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 11:33:52
Subject: Re:Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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xttz wrote:zamerion wrote:Erradicators 40e
storm speeder 55e
bladeguards 40e
psico necro 25e
Pretty much as expected. In GBP this will be:
Bladeguard / Eradicators £30
Storm Speeder £40
Necron dude £20
£31.50, £42 and £21 from the price list I’ve seen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 13:17:03
Subject: Re:Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Wh40k, necromunda, Mordheim |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 13:39:51
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph
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They seem pretty obnoxious.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 13:41:43
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Enter the Nope Angels. No matter what you are trying to do, they refuse to let it happen
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 14:07:21
Subject: Re:Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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And all of a sudden, Mortarion with all his nerfing auras is not so bad...
Probably far easier said than done tbh though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 14:10:46
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph
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I feel like warhammer is entering another bloated and overwhelming era of obnoxiousness.
It needs to reign in quite a bit and chill the hell out haha. If you’re not instantly obliterating something, you’re stopping it from doing anything it wants to.
If 9th continues like this I may need to take a break and focus on Legion for a while.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 14:15:51
Subject: Re:Dark Angel and SM releases February
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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endlesswaltz123 wrote:And all of a sudden, Mortarion with all his nerfing auras is not so bad...
Probably far easier said than done tbh though.
so it is vox scream, except it's a psy power, has more reach, has a cheaper pricetag, has no CP cost and actively screws over auras like the new DG stuff but also GSC things etc...
what was the joke? "and they shall know no unfavourable rules?"
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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 14:24:00
Subject: Re:Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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It's one psychic power that works on one unit, it isn't that game breaking. In the case of the DG you could just double up with morty and the miasmic malignifier, you can't turn both -1 T off, though, the ability to turn off Mortys movement nerfing is good.
It's good hard counters to hard counters, it's fine really and makes gameplay more tactical than point and delete. DG will be looking at ways to snipe/negate the librarian and it is just a librarian casting this remember, not the hardest thing to counter psychic powers, especially in a fairly heavy psychic army like DG. On the other hand, the DA will be looking at ways to ensure the librarian survives and succeeds.
Anything that brings more diversity to the game model and build wise as well, librarians aren't really seen as vital to most marine builds currently, this changes that for at least the DA, which means we will see different marine looking armies rather than the same units in different coloured power armour.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 15:03:47
Subject: Re:Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Terrifying Doombull
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endlesswaltz123 wrote:And all of a sudden, Mortarion with all his nerfing auras is not so bad...
Probably far easier said than done tbh though.
WC7 and no compared leadership test? Sounds pretty easy.
Downright hateful against armies that don't have psykers/psychic defense.
Sigh. Immediate rules question on Engulfing Fear: do you compare the psychic test to the leadership characteristic before or after engulfing fear modifies it to see if the target can perform actions?
And, oh good. They get a multipart special snowflake doctrine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 15:15:34
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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So dark angels have two different stratagems to represent the same fluff idea of a fighting retreat, that's odd.
But yeah in general DA seem to be "older edition Eldar/Tau Marines" in the way that they're all about turning off the gak you bought and paid points for. That's always fun to play against.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 15:16:24
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Tiberius501 wrote:I feel like warhammer is entering another bloated and overwhelming era of obnoxiousness.
It needs to reign in quite a bit and chill the hell out haha. If you’re not instantly obliterating something, you’re stopping it from doing anything it wants to.
If 9th continues like this I may need to take a break and focus on Legion for a while.
I have been focusing painting away from 40k as the extreme rules and power creep is getting bit old.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 15:16:58
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Fixture of Dakka
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The Combat Patrol is tempting. I really only want the Redemptor that can't be found anywhere right now, but I've been weighing the idea of more Inceptors. Not a bad value at all. Wish this had been the DW box.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 15:17:41
Subject: Re:Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Not Online!!! wrote:endlesswaltz123 wrote:And all of a sudden, Mortarion with all his nerfing auras is not so bad...
Probably far easier said than done tbh though.
so it is vox scream, except it's a psy power, has more reach, has a cheaper pricetag, has no CP cost and actively screws over auras like the new DG stuff but also GSC things etc...
what was the joke? "and they shall know no unfavourable rules?"
Vox scream is automatic, close to unblockable, has the same range and turns off ALL aura abilities, this turns off ONE aura ability.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 15:20:12
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Oh lord DA look completely bonkers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 15:31:16
Subject: Re:Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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endlesswaltz123 wrote:It's one psychic power that works on one unit, it isn't that game breaking. In the case of the DG you could just double up with morty and the miasmic malignifier, you can't turn both -1 T off, though, the ability to turn off Mortys movement nerfing is good.
Movement nerfing is a contagion as well. The two aura he has is the chaos lord re-rolls and the no-rerolls-aura from one of his warlord traits.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 15:43:42
Subject: Re:Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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the_scotsman wrote:Not Online!!! wrote:endlesswaltz123 wrote:And all of a sudden, Mortarion with all his nerfing auras is not so bad...
Probably far easier said than done tbh though.
so it is vox scream, except it's a psy power, has more reach, has a cheaper pricetag, has no CP cost and actively screws over auras like the new DG stuff but also GSC things etc...
what was the joke? "and they shall know no unfavourable rules?"
Vox scream is automatic, close to unblockable, has the same range and turns off ALL aura abilities, this turns off ONE aura ability.
And Vox Scream works from ANY Night Lords unit, not just psykers. The Eighth Legion is still better at shutting down auras.
It's the idea of DA infantry shooting everthying into melee that seems ridiculous. Aggressors and eradicators will be dangerous to charge, especially with the strategem that prevents models not in the first rank from fighting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 15:49:28
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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Yes the whole shooting into melee thing, I can hear thousands of T'au players cry out at once.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/25 15:50:46
Subject: Dark Angel and SM releases February
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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RandyMcStab wrote:Yes the whole shooting into melee thing, I can hear thousands of T'au players cry out at once.....
Wouldn't worry. With codex creep tau might very well get shoot into melee(even if you aren't in melee) at +1
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