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Voss wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Wow. 20 head options for eradicators. And drilled out side vents for the melta barrels feels new.

Stormspeeder is also quite a bit cheaper than expected. I was budgeting for a kit priced like the gladiator or Impulsor.

Well, I'm having a hard time telling what the price is going to be. The Australia surcharge puts it at the same price as a Redemptor Dread or a (base) Land Raider [AUS$110], because those are the same price down there. Here they're $65 and $80 respectively. The former is the same price as the stalker, which is just AUS$85. Because GW.

I'm going based on the NZD prices which seem to be 2x the USD ones pretty consistently.

 alextroy wrote:
Nah. It's 20 heads to ensure all 18 of your Eradicators have different heads

No silly, it's to flood the bits market with cheap and plentiful Loyalist Scum heads that Night Lords players can add to our vehicles and bases.

Blastaar wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
So we're at the point where the loyalist book is an 11 volume set. They're just taking up all the air in every element now.

Take it up with the consolidationist donkey-caves that couldn't stand different Codexes being different Codexes.

Don't, however, blame the people who play the Chapters - they didn't chose this.

Pft! Having separate supplement books isn't consolidation.

It's literally the same number of books as if they were all separate codexes.

More, because DA and BA players need TWO books for the privilege of playing with their toys.

Well Loyalist Marines should've only ever had one codex to begin with but here we are since y'all whined about supplements and/or wanting the Vanilla Marine options.

Guess that's the price you pay for getting access units that shouldn't have been cut off to begin with, at least according to GW. Y'all buy it up too so it's kinda hilarious.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
... should've only ever had one codex to begin with...

Based on what metric?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
... should've only ever had one codex to begin with...

Based on what metric?

The metric being that we have over 100 entries for one codex because of garbage planning, not even counting special units, also on top of the fact that the Chapters really don't operate differently overall and the artifical differences were there just for the sake of being there to pretend it's unique the Angels don't have Ironclads for reasons?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Eh I think the codex+supplement model works better. It allows chapters to get their special stuff, and not need to update four other books every time the main changes. Players who don't want to pay extra for a supplement don't have to--BA, DA, etc can still be played out of the main codex marines just fine.

Don't want to miss out on all that extra stuff? Well welcome to the alternative to supplements--you just don't get that content. It's where the rest of the game is, and from our perspective it seems pretty entitled to complain that having more stuff means paying more. At least marine players have a choice.

"can" sure. Do you enjoy auto lose when facing any other marine?

According to TTT, Covid has delayed the preview copies being shipped out here in the UK, so we may not get any codex reviews today/this weekend from the UK guys (may only be them as opposed to everyone though), here’s hoping the same issue hasn’t caused delays globally, I want to see the full death wing/inner circle rules and doctrine.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YHrsNllS6SI


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When the Assault Doctrine is active for your army, while a DEATHWING INFANTRY or DEATHWING DREADNOUGHT makes a melee attack against a CHARACTER unit, or a unit that contains any models with a wound characteristic of 8+, you can re-roll the wound roll.

Also Weapons from the Dark Age is back, looks unchanged other than being 2CP

Ravenwing also get a strat similar to the Vigilus-one, where they can jump out of a combat after they fight (not the end of the fight phase).

Combined Assault appears to be gone though (unless I somehow missed it).

Unfortunately the deathwing strike master was glossed over, with a little bit of arrogance in that the guy at GMG already assumed what it was, incorrectly stating it was a form of captain.

Still assume it is a lieutenant but we’ll be waiting on more diligent and detailed reviews to confirm it.

Also want to see and have a look at the deathwing, deathwing command squad, black knights, and the other specific rave wing speeders and fliers in a little more detail, to assess any changes.

Edit: Miniwargaming just confirmed it is the deathwing a lieutenant and that the other datasheets have minimal changes if anyway.

Yeah Strikemaster is a lieutenant, you can see the keyword in the video

https://www.goonhammer.com/codex-supplement-dark-angels-the-goonhammer-review/

Goonhammer review is up, other reviews are redundant.

Well, seems like they did it.

15 secondary for holding your home objective and never coming out. In an army of build-in-transhuman, ObSec Terminators. Lol.

So , basically, a free easy fullfill faction specific secondary... Yeah , that's not gonna skew at all those faction specific ones...
not at all.

Contest that objective twice and it's 4 VP instead of 15...

DAs are the new 8TH Iron Hands for sure, so many free buffs just for "existing"

I'm fairly certain Dark Angels will only be good for a few months, then be either beaten by codex creep or just nerfed into oblivion. They have always had the distinction of being THAT Chapter after all.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
... should've only ever had one codex to begin with...

Based on what metric?

All the Dynasties get by with one book
All the Septs get by with one book
All the Kabals get by with one book
All the Cults get by with one book
All the Hive Fleets get by with one book
All the Clans get by with one book
All the Regiments get by with one book
All the Orders get by with one book
All the Daemon Legions get by with one book
All the Forge Worlds get by with one book

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
... should've only ever had one codex to begin with...

Based on what metric?

All the Dynasties get by with one book
All the Septs get by with one book
All the Kabals get by with one book
All the Cults get by with one book
All the Hive Fleets get by with one book
All the Clans get by with one book
All the Regiments get by with one book
All the Orders get by with one book
All the Daemon Legions get by with one book
All the Forge Worlds get by with one book

Yeah but muh Mehreens are super super speshul and they should get more of everything than the bad NPC faction

- Space Marine players, probably

This is a News and Rumours thread - maybe we have our weekly argument about how many Codexes Space Marines get/need/deserve somewhere else? Its like we need a dedicated sub-forum that horse.

Anyhoo - Liking what I am seeing from the previews.

Happy - Weapons from the Dark Age is back!
Sad - no more Combined Assault

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
... should've only ever had one codex to begin with...

Based on what metric?

All the Dynasties get by with one book
All the Septs get by with one book
All the Kabals get by with one book
All the Cults get by with one book
All the Hive Fleets get by with one book
All the Clans get by with one book
All the Regiments get by with one book
All the Orders get by with one book
All the Daemon Legions get by with one book
All the Forge Worlds get by with one book

Books aren't published to meet in-game lore.

Books are published to meet demand from customers.

If, hypothetically, 5% of customers play Xenos and 50% of customers play just Dark Angels, all Xenos need to be put into a single book and Dark Angels need to be split into 10 different books to get roughly comparable coverage.

It'd be unfair (not to mention stupid from a business perspective) to provide the same amount of publications to 50% as you do to just 5%.

I'll think I have to add chaplain on bike to buff my 10-man Black knights squad, the new relic that gives +1 attack is an auto-include, even for deathwing lists. It's only once per battle but can easily swing the game. Oh man, these new rules are so dope.

The problem is going to be the same as when building from Index. So much good stuff to choose, you won't have close to the points you'd like to do so.

Pennance of Remembrance, while still good, won't work on a term ancient that just teleported down. He needs to be on table in command phase.

Im ezcited (was going to correct spelling, but its a new word now meaning excited to take Ezekiel) for Interromancy and getting use out of my Librarians.

There is a lot to unpack for sure.

Scary book. Pleased for DA players though.

 bullyboy wrote:

Pennance of Remembrance, while still good, won't work on a term ancient that just teleported down. He needs to be on table in command phase.

*looks at Bladeguard*

They can't teleport, can't take Impulsors in a Deathwing detachment, and have Indomitus Ancients available for as little as £6 on ebay. Perfect for footslogging it into battle.

GW finally lets you get the Ancient from Dark Imperium.

Also, kind of cool they went the sister's route for Eradicators, and just gave you a ton of heads.

If they are filling up little scraps of space on the sprue, I’d rather have more head options than more pouches/purity seals/grubbins/etc.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Nah. It's 20 heads to ensure all 18 of your Eradicators have different heads

No silly, it's to flood the bits market with cheap and plentiful Loyalist Scum heads that Night Lords players can add to our vehicles and bases.

It's the only updated or quality sculpted kit the nightlords will ever be getting so enjoy

 GaroRobe wrote:
GW finally lets you get the Ancient from Dark Imperium.

For half a price of an Dark Imperium set...


And nevermind that but I actually look at Eradicator sprues in GW site as I really thought that 20 heads was an typo but it looks like its not. But as its shows from backside so I am interested if there is new helmet designs or they just went overboard.

GW seems to be going along this line of thinking " When every codex in the game is OP, then nobody will be op! "

Red Corsair wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Nah. It's 20 heads to ensure all 18 of your Eradicators have different heads

No silly, it's to flood the bits market with cheap and plentiful Loyalist Scum heads that Night Lords players can add to our vehicles and bases.

It's the only updated or quality sculpted kit the nightlords will ever be getting so enjoy

Outside of fw, I'd say you're probably right. And I will!

Eldenfirefly wrote:GW seems to be going along this line of thinking " When every codex in the game is OP, then nobody will be op! "

That actually sounds, right? And everyone wants their faction to be awesome, so I don't see a problem?

On topic: Can DA make any dreadnought Deathwing? Because melee Leviathans and Contemptors with +1 to wound could be bonkers.