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6 months ago to clear out space I sold off my 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th codexes and rulebooks at $50 Australian (about $40US) per edition.
I'm sad that I let them go, but I really needed to clear out a mass of stuff as I was just overwhelmed with all the gear I have accumulated over the years.
Still have my RT books and every WD from 96 onwards though.
2024: Games Played:0/Models Bought:70/Sold:519/Painted: 93
2023: Games Played:0/Models Bought:287/Sold:0/Painted: 203
2020-2022: Games Played:42/Models Bought:1271/Sold:631/Painted:442
2016-19: Games Played:369/Models Bought:772/Sold:378/ Painted:268
2012-15: Games Played:412/Models Bought: 1163/Sold:730/Painted:436
Commissar von Toussaint wrote: As part of my appreciation of old editions, I'm doggedly building a collection of the 2nd ed. era White Dwarf magazines.
It really does evoke the era to see the announcements of now-ancient, out of print models. Call it my "happy place."
Hey, some of those models are still in print!
First WD on my shelf is the one introducing the Falcon. Still a sexy tank after all these years.
I think part of the reason I hated the Tau when they came out was that they were clearly moving in on the Eldar's turf.
After years of weird, comical "Space Elf" stuff, the Falcon finally looked sleek and high-tech.
And it (originally) had the rules to match. I love the 2nd ed. glass hammer Eldar, brutally lethal but if you can pin them down, they just crumble. Very satisfying to play or play against.
Exact same feeling on the Tau on release. We already had a sleek alien race with the Eldar. Compounding that was the massive nerf Eldar took in 3rd, which felt like it was just to make room for them. What kind of dying race hands out SMGs to their militia and shoves them into the meat grinder of war as ablative wounds?
If I hadn’t already started Eldar as my secondary faction (largely due to the Falcon) I would have gone with the Tau. I do love me some hover tanks, and they have some nice ones. But I could see how I’d collect both armies the same. Mechanized infantry backed up with tanks, some fast moving support. And I was already vested in the knife ears.
Nevelon wrote: Exact same feeling on the Tau on release. We already had a sleek alien race with the Eldar. Compounding that was the massive nerf Eldar took in 3rd, which felt like it was just to make room for them. What kind of dying race hands out SMGs to their militia and shoves them into the meat grinder of war as ablative wounds?
Exactly. I hated the way the Eldar were forced into use meat shield and grunt assaults. In 2nd edition, they had the best basic weapon in the game, a S4, -2 save weapon with a sustained fire die. In 3rd, they were meat shields.
And Eldar were the hovertank army! The pop-up attacks were their home turf.
Then along come some upstart weirdo race that was transparently designed to bring the Mobile Suit Gundam crowd into the game.
To this day, I have not forgiven GW for this travesty.
That is why I locked myself into the happier days of 2nd. Eldar are the ne plus ultra of technology and the Tau can be safely ignored.
Nevelon wrote: Exact same feeling on the Tau on release. We already had a sleek alien race with the Eldar. Compounding that was the massive nerf Eldar took in 3rd, which felt like it was just to make room for them. What kind of dying race hands out SMGs to their militia and shoves them into the meat grinder of war as ablative wounds?
Exactly. I hated the way the Eldar were forced into use meat shield and grunt assaults. In 2nd edition, they had the best basic weapon in the game, a S4, -2 save weapon with a sustained fire die. In 3rd, they were meat shields.
And Eldar were the hovertank army! The pop-up attacks were their home turf.
Then along come some upstart weirdo race that was transparently designed to bring the Mobile Suit Gundam crowd into the game.
To this day, I have not forgiven GW for this travesty.
That is why I locked myself into the happier days of 2nd. Eldar are the ne plus ultra of technology and the Tau can be safely ignored.
I think at this point I've either actively played or gone back and played every edition of the game except for 3rd and rogue trader. 2e is fun for some groggy fun every once in a while and I could probably go back and play 5e, that would probably be the biggest "nostalgia trip" for me becuase I started in 4e but like 3-6 months later the 5e rules dropped and I played throughout that whole edition.
The main problem I tend to run into with 2e is that there appears to be an extremely heavy have/have not split in terms of some factions having ultracool rules that are extremely fun to play with and super fluffy (Orks, Eldar, Daemons) while other factions like chaos space marines and guard I can really understand the desire to play 3e when you had the "3.5" era rules books that also look very neat, while their 2nd ed offerings were far more basic and boring.
But, I do like the core mechanics of 2e quite a lot. I like Hiding as an action, I like the activated Overwatch, I like bespoke vehicle damage tables and somewhat abstracted rules for vehicle crew it just seems so fun and old school.
3rd ed thru basically 7th ed just seems like different flavors of the same basic cake recipe.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
the_scotsman wrote: The main problem I tend to run into with 2e is that there appears to be an extremely heavy have/have not split in terms of some factions having ultracool rules that are extremely fun to play with and super fluffy (Orks, Eldar, Daemons) while other factions like chaos space marines and guard I can really understand the desire to play 3e when you had the "3.5" era rules books that also look very neat, while their 2nd ed offerings were far more basic and boring.
I think the IG had wonderful rules in 2nd! They had off-board artillery and could deploy their armor in reserve, compensating them for almost always being the first one to set up.
One could argue that Chaos was at its peak and that since then has been segmented to death. Three lists in one! What's not to like?
I think the smaller number of factions made each more unique and the game more interesting. And no Tau.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: First off congratulations on your RT quest, even I don't have the ork books!
I'm a huge fan of RT fluff, but I consider the game itself to be damn near unplayable.
3rd and 4th had about the right level of granularity for my taste. A bolter is a bolter, is a bolter, and a lasgun is an autogun is a crossbow. Tanks had more specific rules but that was ok because there were just a few on the table.
I also have fond memories of Epic, but that's in part because we played all the time in my dorm. If I had to look at the ork bubble chucker rules now I'm sure I'd have a different judgement.
If anyone hasn't seen them, here are some of my trips back down memory lane.
I find that reading the RT era books in order is an awesome exercise in understanding 40K then and now.
It’s easy for peeps to not know or to have forgotten that the level of success kinda surprised GW. This meant over its five or six year or so life span, it went under various iterations (for instance, playing just with Rogue Trader, and playing with the Vehicle Manual are basically two distinct experiences).
Yet it was also a period of frankly insane creativity. Things got more and more codified. Some stuff fell by the wayside, and have returned in altered forms over the decades. Others just aren’t there anymore (Illuminati, Starchild etc). The great joy of course being that they’re not actively denied or removed, so can still be treated about as canon as the rest of 40K. What is remarkable for me is just how little the Orks have changed. Other than Nobz and that being physically larger models, everything else has largely stayed the same.
I do think it’s a shame other races didn’t get the same treatment as Orks did, but again that’s an indicator of just how chaotic and mental 40k’s growth was.
2nd Ed was definitely required. It didn’t massively change the size of games as a purpose, but it made them easier to handle. The rules (comparatively) were neater, and easier to follow. And with greater resources pumped in (more plastic kits, more vehicles), players armies expanded, and bigger games were played.
3rd Ed? Yes it was a smoother system, but from me it threw baby out with the bath water. Like someone looking to lose a few pounds going all cross fit mental and no longer coming down the pub for a laugh.
Maybe it’s a pure grognard thing, but as someone who is familiar with the early days (even if I missed them, starting as I did with 2nd Ed), many of the comments about constant FAQ and Errata? To me they’re simply par for the course. It’s always been that way with 40K, as has the Codex and Edition cycle.
Now, that is not a lazy, handwavium excuse. My experiences do not by any stretch negate such comments and complaints. It’s just, well, I’m so used to them, they neither disappoint nor surprise me as an individual.
Another story Uncle Grotsnik!
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40k: Necrons/Imperial Guard/ Space marines
Bolt Action: Germany/ USA
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Guard were awesome in 2nd Ed. Heavy weapons splitting. Off-board firepower. The Basilisk firing twice a turn. Hellhounds causing Fear.
Used to be able to build Guard lists from memory I used that book so much.
This is correct.
I recall a game against an Eldar player who loved himself some Wraithguard. Tough to dig out with the IG, particularly in an urban environment.
But then I came up with the notion of a Basilisk at the end of a street, screened by a Demolisher with extra armor and a dozer blade to suck up incoming fire. Two thumps per turn made short work of those oversized fossils.
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And so as I listen to the 1812 Overture, thoroughly looking forward to once again being able to unleash genuinely Epic artillery.
That piece of course makes good use of ringing bells. Which turned my mind to something I’m aware exists, but have never seen in person, or know what its rules were.
And that’s the Warlord Titan Devotional Bell.
An alternative carapace weapon which took up both slots. And….it’s exactly what you might be thinking. A geet big bell, suspended from an arch, mounted atop a Warlord Titan (then the largest extant model any scale of 40K set games that existed).
What…what a marvellously 40K thing. Turn your city levelling death machine into a walking peal of faith.
Luvverly.
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the_scotsman wrote: The main problem I tend to run into with 2e is that there appears to be an extremely heavy have/have not split in terms of some factions having ultracool rules that are extremely fun to play with and super fluffy (Orks, Eldar, Daemons) while other factions like chaos space marines and guard I can really understand the desire to play 3e when you had the "3.5" era rules books that also look very neat, while their 2nd ed offerings were far more basic and boring.
I think the IG had wonderful rules in 2nd! They had off-board artillery and could deploy their armor in reserve, compensating them for almost always being the first one to set up.
I loved my Guard. My go to army was command squad (on table), 3 leman russ and 3 chimera squads off table. Pre game barrage. Turn one roll on, fire wildly, trigger smokes. Turn 2 drive through smoke, fire badly, trigger last of smoke. Turn 3 drive through smoke, fire wildly, everyone die.
I loved my Guard. My go to army was command squad (on table), 3 leman russ and 3 chimera squads off table. Pre game barrage. Turn one roll on, fire wildly, trigger smokes. Turn 2 drive through smoke, fire badly, trigger last of smoke. Turn 3 drive through smoke, fire wildly, everyone die.
That's why one of my first beloved Chimeras, Spider Burner, had the hull Heavy Flamer. The name came from its habit of being to find Warp Spiders as they hid behind buildings. It normally came on from reserve with the Supercharged Engine Hellhound (with hull Heavy Flamer). Enter at max speed, no to hit rolls.
The_Real_Chris wrote: I loved my Guard. My go to army was command squad (on table), 3 leman russ and 3 chimera squads off table. Pre game barrage. Turn one roll on, fire wildly, trigger smokes. Turn 2 drive through smoke, fire badly, trigger last of smoke. Turn 3 drive through smoke, fire wildly, everyone die.
Yeah, they were great to play. Targeting rules also allowed you to park a Demolisher with a dozer blade to partly obscure a Basilisk, that could just bang away twice a turn, inflicting utter devastation.
Lots of good stuff.
The weather gave its first hint of seasonal change, and that means less time outdoors and more time at the gaming table and the workbench.
I just scored this bad boy from ebay (complete set no less!)
No idea what to do with the models though. I intend to use modern minis.. anyone interested in buying the miniatures from this box, feel free to PM me
Figured that since 10th edition is the last edition with firstborn in it, might as well prepare for 11th (ie. downgrading back to legacy editions). I will quit 40K altogether before I give up on my Angels
Be sure to check out my 2nd ed. reference page for some clarifications/fixes to make your game more enjoyable.
As for the models...I'm tempted buy my reserves are still adequate. Some of the vintage models are pricey, but 2nd ed. box orks aren't not among them. As for the Marines...I'm good. I finished that army back in 2004 and still have a few models in blister packs just in case.
Be sure to check out my 2nd ed. reference page for some clarifications/fixes to make your game more enjoyable.
As for the models...I'm tempted buy my reserves are still adequate. Some of the vintage models are pricey, but 2nd ed. box orks aren't not among them. As for the Marines...I'm good. I finished that army back in 2004 and still have a few models in blister packs just in case.
Yes, I am going to dig in to your resources once I get the box. I can imagine not many people looking for the monopose minis, but there might be someoone who's into that sort of thing, I'll list en up on the swap shop after stripping the few basecoated ones
It's actually a nice feeling knowing that you can fall back to a "finished" version of a game you love
Something akin to Xenology, but focussing on general flora and fauna commonly found in the Galaxy.
Think the small bestiary of Nasties in Rogue Trader. Because those were put in as toys for the GM to play with to balance things out or add risk.
Whilst I don’t think the modern game is suited to their inclusion overall? They can still serve as inspiration for battlefield terrain, even if you don’t assign rules to them.
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I had partial 2nd ed box dropped on me a little bit ago. One idea I’ve had for a while (but didn’t want to stip my active duty bolter huggers for) was to get some pillers (probably wedding cake types) and paint them up as statues lining a road, surrounding a temple, etc.
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