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I'm mostly just cautiously curious in which direction GW will be going with Orks, but then I'm still mentally stuck with Paul Bonner / Kev Adams style Orks, so I'm kinda indifferent if grimdark gorillas or ironjawz win this casting contest ^^

Orks need plastic HQs and some resin kits converted to plastic.

More than anything just give us some rules worth playing. Most of the klans are bad, subcultures don’t work with list building, and a significant number of units are a liability even in the most casual of games.

Yeah, some of the Klans don't have a current model/character to represent them in game. They had them in the past, either in fluff or in FW books. But come on that's some pretty valuable stuff to explore.

In regards to characters Goffs are almost the Ultramarines of orks. They get damn near a dozen different characters and some klans don't even get one or lose theirs to the no model no rules mentality.

I want to say that they won't make a big mek with KFF, because they've got so many models of meks, from the new plastic one, to the shokk attak gunner, to the one if the plane, etc.

But then I realized GW released four or five flavors of cryptek for the necron release in the span of three months, so it's totally possible.

 Jidmah wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
I'm fairly sure no actual ork player said that.

Okay, I'm positive he will be delighted to know he hasn't painted 200 boyz!

While you're at it, ask him how he feels about painting another 200.

I've gotta say that's some nice elitism there. Though when I said "we need boyz" I didn't *just* mean the ork boyz, but the whole assortment of infantry models I can't be arsed to remember the name of. But okay, let's be pedantic.

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
I'm mostly just cautiously curious in which direction GW will be going with Orks, but then I'm still mentally stuck with Paul Bonner / Kev Adams style Orks, so I'm kinda indifferent if grimdark gorillas or ironjawz win this casting contest ^^

Can someone explain what specifically this means? It's something I've seen mentioned quite a few times with new Ork stuff, but looking at the miniatures I don't really see what the difference is.

Part of it is about the posture - when you look at 80ies - early 90ies Space Orks (that's what I mean with Bonner/Adams ones), they're more or less like somehow long-limbed humans; the later ones (where most of the current infantry plastics come from) get this kind of gorilla posture with a bent-through back. The newer ones - like the Buggy crews and the Blood Bowl orcs - lose the gorilla posture, but are far more hulking than the rather spindly 80ies orks. Second part is the faces - before ironjawz and the buggy crews, Orks/Orcs had somehow more gaunt, angular faces, now they got a bit broader and pig-like - it's a very small difference but I think quite distinct. Hope this explains it somehow?

Check out the 360 degrees images of the older Ork Boyz here https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Ork-Boyz-2018
and the new Blood Bowl ones https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Blood-Bowl-Orc-Team-2020
... turn them sideways for the posture, and check out the much stronger recesses below the cheekbones on the older ones

Lord Kragan wrote:
I've gotta say that's some nice elitism there. Though when I said "we need boyz" I didn't *just* mean the ork boyz, but the whole assortment of infantry models I can't be arsed to remember the name of. But okay, let's be pedantic.

Well, having 200 actual boyz is rather normal for an ork player (I have around 300), and if you want new models to replace them this means having to replace those, otherwise what's the point?

If GW redid the entire core of the Ork range, they could do a lot with planned cross compatibility to allow players a good range of models even for the those gigantic units of Boyz. But I'm talking about new plastic kits for Boyz, Burnas, Tank Bustas, and Lootas at 2-3 sprues per unit. That might be too ambitious a release.

As for those who say they wouldn't want to purchase 200 new improved Boyz, I had no intention of replacing every metal Adepta Sororitas model in my 1700ish point army that took 20+ years to paint. Today, I have a bigger army in plastic that I painted in less than a year. Thank GW for excellent models.

 alextroy wrote:
If GW redid the entire core of the Ork range, they could do a lot with planned cross compatibility to allow players a good range of models even for the those gigantic units of Boyz. But I'm talking about new plastic kits for Boyz, Burnas, Tank Bustas, and Lootas at 2-3 sprues per unit. That might be too ambitious a release.

As for those who say they wouldn't want to purchase 200 new improved Boyz, I had no intention of replacing every metal Adepta Sororitas model in my 1700ish point army that took 20+ years to paint. Today, I have a bigger army in plastic that I painted in less than a year. Thank GW for excellent models.

I feel like they'd have to do something like Indomitus, and release the new ork boyz sprue in a box that would entice you to buy for other reasons besides strictly new boyz. Or GW can be dead clever, and give the orkz a new gun option in the box, like they did with the necron warriors, so now you have another reason to get at least a box or two of the boyz.

Old Orks have the posture of a 21 year old girl posing for an Instagram photo.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I don't consider the ork boyz kit good. They're not bad, I guess. Like, they fit the army, more than the tankbustas and resin kits. But they're terribly proportioned, with their gorilla butts jutting out. And they're also small. Orks should be way bigger, especially since we do have much larger sisters, space marines, etc these days.

In the orks pose they should be human sized. Standing up they would be taller but due to pose they appear human sized. That's fluff.

Were they space marine sized they would be off scale. They should be head shorter than marines, 2 with primaris


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 alextroy wrote:
If GW redid the entire core of the Ork range, they could do a lot with planned cross compatibility to allow players a good range of models even for the those gigantic units of Boyz. But I'm talking about new plastic kits for Boyz, Burnas, Tank Bustas, and Lootas at 2-3 sprues per unit. That might be too ambitious a release.

As for those who say they wouldn't want to purchase 200 new improved Boyz, I had no intention of replacing every metal Adepta Sororitas model in my 1700ish point army that took 20+ years to paint. Today, I have a bigger army in plastic that I painted in less than a year. Thank GW for excellent models.

Cross compatibility isn't exactly a thing for gw these days. You would be lucky to have heads fit and not have unique connection for each model to require specific head or two. Rest? Prepare for knife and greenstuff

Cynista wrote:
Old Orks have the posture of a 21 year old girl posing for an Instagram photo.

Or that of a gorilla standing upright. Which we know, because the sculptor told us that he based their design of gorillas in an interview.

 Jidmah wrote:

Cynista wrote:
Old Orks have the posture of a 21 year old girl posing for an Instagram photo.

Or that of a gorilla standing upright. Which we know, because the sculptor told us that he based their design of gorillas in an interview.

Yeah, and there's a reason why Gorillas don't stand upright for longer periods ...don't get me wrong, I love the current Orkboys, but I do send everyone of them to the Chiropract-ork and readjust the posture.

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 alextroy wrote:
If GW redid the entire core of the Ork range, they could do a lot with planned cross compatibility to allow players a good range of models even for the those gigantic units of Boyz. But I'm talking about new plastic kits for Boyz, Burnas, Tank Bustas, and Lootas at 2-3 sprues per unit. That might be too ambitious a release.

As for those who say they wouldn't want to purchase 200 new improved Boyz, I had no intention of replacing every metal Adepta Sororitas model in my 1700ish point army that took 20+ years to paint. Today, I have a bigger army in plastic that I painted in less than a year. Thank GW for excellent models.

Cross compatibility isn't exactly a thing for gw these days. You would be lucky to have heads fit and not have unique connection for each model to require specific head or two. Rest? Prepare for knife and greenstuff

Yeah, this. At the moment we have complete interchangeability and customisability across the entire Ork infantry range, even into warbikes and vehicle crews. Based on everything else GW have been doing, including the new buggies, that is not going to be a feature of any new kits. I believe there is one Ork out of all of them on the six buggy kits (and there’s at least two Orks per buggy) that has an option on heads compatible with the existing range (the trike driver) and the rest don’t even have options, never mind compatibility.

Not an Ork player as such, but conversion fodder and inspiration for my grot kill team is always nice.

I’d never turn down new parts or potentially new grots.


For the sake of Ork players though, tankbusters need a kit.
And since GW kits have evolved to the point they are now, where’s the squiggoth and boarboys at?
Feral orks need love too.

Never mind Ferals. Snakebites need something beyond the Squig Buggy!

I’d rather the final fine cast metal kits go to plastic.
See things like Tankbustas, Kommandos. And mega nob stuff still to do?
The boys kit yes is old, but it’s not bad compared to some stuff.

That list is like the tactical Marines, everything can be based off it.
However, as we’ve seen that’s going away as a thing, to have customisation and posing etc.
If they’re changing it, the boys kit is the place to start I guess..

Waaaghbert wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Cynista wrote:
Old Orks have the posture of a 21 year old girl posing for an Instagram photo.

Or that of a gorilla standing upright. Which we know, because the sculptor told us that he based their design of gorillas in an interview.

Yeah, and there's a reason why Gorillas don't stand upright for longer periods ...don't get me wrong, I love the current Orkboys, but I do send everyone of them to the Chiropract-ork and readjust the posture.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2018/03/gorilla-walking-upright-bipedal-philadelphia-zoo-spd/

And yes, you are right, he doesn't actually do that all the time.

Ork boys already have a dual weapon option in the kit - shoota or slugga/choppa - I can't see them adding another one like for the Necron warriors. I was wrong on the Necron warriors though, since I didn't think they needed a new kit.

Tankbustas have some options already, although mostly you just give them the rokkit launchas, but with better rules maybe they are viable as a close combat build? So a new kit with both ranged and melee options (plus maybe options for the squigs?) can make sense. They have decent rules, and let's be honest - all finecast kits will eventually be phased out, it's just a question of when.

Kommandos feel a bit... underdeveloped? rules-wise. Most "modern" units get a few nice custom rules, but Kommandos feel rather plain. Also, options-wise being locked into a klaw for the Nob is quite ridiculous - how about a nice shooty option there. Although being equipment-locked by the models is hardly exclusive for Kommandos so... the original Kommandos were all equipped with axes, and new sculpts tend to often look back to the original concept, so maybe there is still hope...

Anyway, two new kits (Tankbustas and Kommandos) would be great, but maybe we can only expect one (if that). I have a bunch of both, converted from boyz so I'm kinda fine - but having more variety is always nice...

I could see both in the kit if it’s like the Plague marines
Each has two plus builds.
And if only five in the box. A few could have three options. A fourth arm. Etc.

Danny76 wrote:

And if only five in the box. A few could have three options. A fourth arm. Etc.

So, Chaos Orks, eh.. lol

 Oguhmek wrote:
Ork boys already have a dual weapon option in the kit - shoota or slugga/choppa - I can't see them adding another one like for the Necron warriors. I was wrong on the Necron warriors though, since I didn't think they needed a new kit.

Tankbustas have some options already, although mostly you just give them the rokkit launchas, but with better rules maybe they are viable as a close combat build? So a new kit with both ranged and melee options (plus maybe options for the squigs?) can make sense. They have decent rules, and let's be honest - all finecast kits will eventually be phased out, it's just a question of when.

Kommandos feel a bit... underdeveloped? rules-wise. Most "modern" units get a few nice custom rules, but Kommandos feel rather plain. Also, options-wise being locked into a klaw for the Nob is quite ridiculous - how about a nice shooty option there. Although being equipment-locked by the models is hardly exclusive for Kommandos so... the original Kommandos were all equipped with axes, and new sculpts tend to often look back to the original concept, so maybe there is still hope...

Anyway, two new kits (Tankbustas and Kommandos) would be great, but maybe we can only expect one (if that). I have a bunch of both, converted from boyz so I'm kinda fine - but having more variety is always nice...

I could see Kommandos getting climbing rules? Especially if that crampon looking fist is indeed for them or their Nob. Super sneaky Gitz, ideal for going up a building to duff up enemy Snipers.

Kommandos really need some bespoke rules that appropriately punishes the enemy for being literally outsmarted by orks.

I reckon WAAAGH! is going to become an army wide rule.

And for some reason I reckon dakka dakka is gonna become mortal wounds on 6’s to hit, if not extra auto hits instead of additional hit rolls.

And the klans will change I reckon, they made all the Necron ones more interesting.

Waaaghbert wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Cynista wrote:
Old Orks have the posture of a 21 year old girl posing for an Instagram photo.

Or that of a gorilla standing upright. Which we know, because the sculptor told us that he based their design of gorillas in an interview.

Yeah, and there's a reason why Gorillas don't stand upright for longer periods ...don't get me wrong, I love the current Orkboys, but I do send everyone of them to the Chiropract-ork and readjust the posture.

Yeah, exactly. It was a questionable/shallow design choice in the first place. Gorillas are shaped that way because they're not strictly bipedal. An organism that is wouldn't be shaped that way.

Although I would have been totally down for an alternate history version of Orks who did alternate between postures and were sculpted/posed accordingly.

 Jidmah wrote:

Waaaghbert wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Cynista wrote:
Old Orks have the posture of a 21 year old girl posing for an Instagram photo.

Or that of a gorilla standing upright. Which we know, because the sculptor told us that he based their design of gorillas in an interview.

Yeah, and there's a reason why Gorillas don't stand upright for longer periods ...don't get me wrong, I love the current Orkboys, but I do send everyone of them to the Chiropract-ork and readjust the posture.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2018/03/gorilla-walking-upright-bipedal-philadelphia-zoo-spd/

And yes, you are right, he doesn't actually do that all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK1j6T_TRU8

What's your point?

The old gorilla Orks look super weird to me.

They have giant cartoon heads.

 Altruizine wrote:

Waaaghbert wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Cynista wrote:
Old Orks have the posture of a 21 year old girl posing for an Instagram photo.

Or that of a gorilla standing upright. Which we know, because the sculptor told us that he based their design of gorillas in an interview.

Yeah, and there's a reason why Gorillas don't stand upright for longer periods ...don't get me wrong, I love the current Orkboys, but I do send everyone of them to the Chiropract-ork and readjust the posture.

Yeah, exactly. It was a questionable/shallow design choice in the first place. Gorillas are shaped that way because they're not strictly bipedal. An organism that is wouldn't be shaped that way.

Although I would have been totally down for an alternate history version of Orks who did alternate between postures and were sculpted/posed accordingly

All ork models including the ork buggy crews have that posture. Which means you simply dislike how orks look. Which is fine, but absolutely not a reason to do new ork boyz.

This is the most recent Ork boy GW has released.



Compared to the "current" ork look



Come on, you can tell how improved the new ork pose is, compared to the butt-jut. You know GW would improve the Ork pose. It's not going to be as drastic as how they redesigned Black Orcs into the Ironjawz faction in AOS. That was creating an entirely new faction and keeping around an old kit to serve as chaff.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Never mind Ferals. Snakebites need something beyond the Squig Buggy!

Cyboars, obviously.
Buggy to Battlewagon sized Squiggoths.