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2021/03/09 15:23:31
Subject: Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
Thanks. Makes sense considering how close they are to Ultramar. I guess we will be sharing our book with the poster boys once again, can't wait to have yet another book with a beheaded ork in its cover
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
2021/03/09 15:51:39
Subject: Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
Nah, I was just poking fun at how many people raged about "Saga of the Beast" having a Space Wolf with an ork head in its hands as cover.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
2021/03/10 08:41:51
Subject: Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
Don't worry, at least you know if Guard and Ork share a book it'll probably feature a pic of some weedy guard charging a huge Ork that will inevitably kill him right dead. You know the Marines will just take all the heads for themselves.
2021/03/10 09:00:59
Subject: Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
AngryAngel80 wrote: Don't worry, at least you know if Guard and Ork share a book it'll probably feature a pic of some weedy guard charging a huge Ork that will inevitably kill him right dead. You know the Marines will just take all the heads for themselves.
To be fair, guard victories don't make for good cover images - it would just be landscape of craters
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
2021/03/10 09:41:55
Subject: Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
AngryAngel80 wrote: Don't worry, at least you know if Guard and Ork share a book it'll probably feature a pic of some weedy guard charging a huge Ork that will inevitably kill him right dead. You know the Marines will just take all the heads for themselves.
To be fair, guard victories don't make for good cover images - it would just be landscape of craters
Every guard player loves that victory image though !
2021/03/11 12:19:00
Subject: Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
Posted that before reading the article. Not much to see but it confirms the +1A is mostly army wide (Chronos and Hellions get name dropped)
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"Marion! For Gods sake, you're going to die!"
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"Realism? THESE ARE SPACE ELVES!!" - My friend Jordan during an argument about rule abstraction
2021/03/11 12:50:06
Subject: Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
2021/03/11 13:06:35
Subject: Re:Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
vipoid wrote: The Cronos now has an extra S5 AP-1 D1 attack!
Truly our faction is whole again.
No, but it does help a bit when entire squads of troops no longer have less attacks than 2 marines on bikes.
One drug-addled lightning fast berserker riding a flying green goblin hoverbike swinging a darth maul double bladed giant cleaver now has equal to the number of attacks of a space marine holding a gigantic heavy ranged cannon instead of 1 less.
Be still my heart!
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2021/03/11 13:11:39
Subject: Re:Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
vipoid wrote: The Cronos now has an extra S5 AP-1 D1 attack!
Truly our faction is whole again.
I love the wording around that part too.
"So whether you like to field Wyches, Hellions, ...
...
...
oR eVeN a CrOnOs..."
(What a freak you must be, why would you field this awesome model with garbage rules that we can't be bothered to actually overhaul so we gave it an extra attack and jobs a good'un)
I hope I'm wrong there.
2021/03/11 14:24:45
Subject: Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
vipoid wrote: The Cronos now has an extra S5 AP-1 D1 attack!
Truly our faction is whole again.
No, but it does help a bit when entire squads of troops no longer have less attacks than 2 marines on bikes.
One drug-addled lightning fast berserker riding a flying green goblin hoverbike swinging a darth maul double bladed giant cleaver now has equal to the number of attacks of a space marine holding a gigantic heavy ranged cannon instead of 1 less.
Be still my heart!
I think you're massively overselling hellions here, lol. They're more like the goons in Back to the Future part 2 than what you described.
2021/03/11 14:28:05
Subject: Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
Crimson wrote: Well, the thing about making it easier to combine the different facet of the army is definitely good news.
It depends how the 'easier' is accomplished. Especially since its specifically 'easier to do without spending all your command points.'
So it could be 'must take 3 patrol detachments, but you get CP refunds' and that technically fulfills requirements.
Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2021/03/11 15:21:39
Subject: Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
Souleater wrote: I also hate Vect. He just seems like a massive Mary Sue character.
Some Special Characters in 40k seem to be just a heightened version of the same archetype as the unit they’re built on. Vect, for instance, fits perfectly into the archetype of the archon; scheming overlord that has plots within plots. Just More so than any other. Nothing in his character ventures outside of the established archetype (neither in story or in rules).
Lelith is the same, but for wyches. Urien the same for Harmonculi.
To me the most interesting SCs are the once who stand out from the archetype in some way.
Necrons got a prtty interesting set of SCs in their 5ed ’Dex, because most of them were Necron Lords. So to distinguish them from one another they had to actually write actual Characters.
The same reason is, I think, why Malys and Sliscus are both so much more interesting as People than Vect, who is more an abstract idea, or the embodiment of a concept, than an actual, relatable, person.
Necron have enough interesting characters that a book involving literally just a bunch of Necrons is one of the best things Black Library put out in recent times
"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
2021/03/11 15:51:20
Subject: Re:Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
vipoid wrote: The Cronos now has an extra S5 AP-1 D1 attack!
Truly our faction is whole again.
No, but it does help a bit when entire squads of troops no longer have less attacks than 2 marines on bikes.
One drug-addled lightning fast berserker riding a flying green goblin hoverbike swinging a darth maul double bladed giant cleaver now has equal to the number of attacks of a space marine holding a gigantic heavy ranged cannon instead of 1 less.
Be still my heart!
I think you're massively overselling hellions here, lol. They're more like the goons in Back to the Future part 2 than what you described.
InVerno wrote: I dunno how DE could stand theyr ground with the likes of SM or necron with the information we have now
i hope i am wrong
Although I am generally pessimistic we could very well get some armywide buff that hasn't been revealed. Much like Death Guard did. I remember people wondering how Death Guard would compete after the initial reveals, but after we got all the info it is a good and fun codex. I personally hope Drukhari get the same level of love as Death Guard.
2021/03/11 16:42:09
Subject: Re:Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
vipoid wrote: The Cronos now has an extra S5 AP-1 D1 attack!
Truly our faction is whole again.
No, but it does help a bit when entire squads of troops no longer have less attacks than 2 marines on bikes.
One drug-addled lightning fast berserker riding a flying green goblin hoverbike swinging a darth maul double bladed giant cleaver now has equal to the number of attacks of a space marine holding a gigantic heavy ranged cannon instead of 1 less.
Be still my heart!
I think you're massively overselling hellions here, lol. They're more like the goons in Back to the Future part 2 than what you described.
How do you figure that?
I thought the lore for hellions was literally the DE equivalent of teenage skateboard gangs? They're the street punks that aren't rich enough to own reaver jetbikes yet, so they fly around Commorragh snatching purses and huffing whippits until their parole officer lets them tag along for a realspace raid to work off their delinquency community service.
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vipoid wrote: The Cronos now has an extra S5 AP-1 D1 attack!
Truly our faction is whole again.
No, but it does help a bit when entire squads of troops no longer have less attacks than 2 marines on bikes.
One drug-addled lightning fast berserker riding a flying green goblin hoverbike swinging a darth maul double bladed giant cleaver now has equal to the number of attacks of a space marine holding a gigantic heavy ranged cannon instead of 1 less.
Be still my heart!
I think you're massively overselling hellions here, lol. They're more like the goons in Back to the Future part 2 than what you described.
How do you figure that?
What? Confusing Drukhari equivalents of Oliver Twist with genetically enhanced super soldiers? Yeah, he's overselling Hellions and under selling marines, even a devastator marine. Now, granted, as someone who owns 10 hellions, would I like them improved? Sure, but let's not pretend they are Space Wolves on flying discs wielding heavy thunder hammers.
2021/03/11 18:10:21
Subject: Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
Iracundus wrote: Of course they hint at new Crusade rules, though the description sounds awfully like playing a Dark Eldar version of Necromunda.
Promises, promises. If ever there was a setting to use Necromunda-like rules it would be Commorragh. Sadly, GW's marketing vastly outshines their rules writing...
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2021/03/11 19:22:30
Subject: Re:Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
vipoid wrote: The Cronos now has an extra S5 AP-1 D1 attack!
Truly our faction is whole again.
No, but it does help a bit when entire squads of troops no longer have less attacks than 2 marines on bikes.
One drug-addled lightning fast berserker riding a flying green goblin hoverbike swinging a darth maul double bladed giant cleaver now has equal to the number of attacks of a space marine holding a gigantic heavy ranged cannon instead of 1 less.
Be still my heart!
I think you're massively overselling hellions here, lol. They're more like the goons in Back to the Future part 2 than what you described.
How do you figure that?
What? Confusing Drukhari equivalents of Oliver Twist with genetically enhanced super soldiers? Yeah, he's overselling Hellions and under selling marines, even a devastator marine. Now, granted, as someone who owns 10 hellions, would I like them improved? Sure, but let's not pretend they are Space Wolves on flying discs wielding heavy thunder hammers.
Lets not start building straw men just because I asked for clarification on something incredibly vague that YOU said in what I am assuming was an attempt at humor.
I don't recall seeing any demands for hellions to be flying, dual hammer wielding space wolves anywhere. Maybe you can point it out for me if I did. I did see someone a tad underwhelmed with a dedicated fire support unit (like say a fat, old, long in the fang space wolf with both hands occupied with a motorcycle sized canon) having the same number of attacks in melee as a dedicated assault unit, with a penchant for high risk combat and faster then marine reflexes without adding the drug cocktail.
Hellions BTW are not just youths, they are out casts and rebels that don't want to fit in with the general organizations. Basically they biker gang members only on sky-boards. It's also humorous that your assuming the youth of a alien species that lives literally thousands of years is somehow similar to humans that live only decades. Pretty sure a young adult eldar is still an incredibly wide margin of ages and relatively old compared to human context. BTW Vect arose from the very same stock.
As an aside do you think younger soldiers should have less attacks then older ones? lol because thats general not how nature works sadly.
Lets not start building straw men just because I asked for clarification on something incredibly vague that YOU said in what I am assuming was an attempt at humor.
I don't recall seeing any demands for hellions to be flying, dual hammer wielding space wolves anywhere. Maybe you can point it out for me if I did. I did see someone a tad underwhelmed with a dedicated fire support unit (like say a fat, old, long in the fang space wolf with both hands occupied with a motorcycle sized canon) having the same number of attacks in melee as a dedicated assault unit, with a penchant for high risk combat and faster then marine reflexes without adding the drug cocktail. .
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The fact that Hellblasters make an equivalent number of attacks with...I mean it's gotta be their feet, right? They're busting out sweet tae bo moves or something? as the dedicated assault units of the faction that's fluffed as the "ultra fast" army is just....I mean, come on.
They're a melee unit with D2 weapons. The fact that they get absolutely slam dunked by literally all of by far the most common units in the game with W2 is a glaring problem.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2021/03/11 22:29:43
Subject: Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
Sotahullu wrote: I just wonder what do they mean about Drukhari becoming more "friendly" in that article. Are they going to change Raiding Force or something else?
Although I don't think they will add extra warning page like in 5ed Codex...
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Sotahullu wrote: I just wonder what do they mean about Drukhari becoming more "friendly" in that article. Are they going to change Raiding Force or something else?
Although I don't think they will add extra warning page like in 5ed Codex...
My bet is on something like:
In a Drukhari detachment:
If all <<Kabal>> units in this detachment are from the same <<Kabal>>, they gain their Kabal Obsession.
If all <<Coven>> units in this detachment are from the same <<Coven>>, they gain their Coven Obsession.
If all <<Cult>> units in this detachment are from the same <<Cult>>, they gain their Cult Obsession.
It would be simple, clean, and not prone to too much abuse. You'd still need multiple detachments to benefit from multiples of a Kabal, Coven, or Cult obsession while allowing all three in one detachment.
2021/03/12 11:32:07
Subject: Toss a slave to your wyches, oh valley of plenty - Drukhari Codex Incoming
Sotahullu wrote: I just wonder what do they mean about Drukhari becoming more "friendly" in that article. Are they going to change Raiding Force or something else?
Although I don't think they will add extra warning page like in 5ed Codex...
Warning page ?
Well not warning really but rather that it flat out says that it is not beginner friendly army and it follows up few guidelines how to play it. Its the only codex from 5ed that does it, atleast I don't remember other books doing that.
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