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Billicus wrote:
With no new units what is there to even say really? Slight rules wording changes and adjustments on preexisting crap don't make for much of a preview. Save your money on this one, there'll be zero heart in it

There were some pretty significant changes in Deathguard, I imagine Drukhari will have a similar level of revamp.

 Sasori wrote:

Billicus wrote:
With no new units what is there to even say really? Slight rules wording changes and adjustments on preexisting crap don't make for much of a preview. Save your money on this one, there'll be zero heart in it

There were some pretty significant changes in Deathguard, I imagine Drukhari will have a similar level of revamp.

Hopefully

You would think so, but nothing they've said so far suggests anything more than "we inflated some of your numbers, though not nearly as much as we inflated Imperium numbers."

If there's an interesting, innovative codex here that reworks the faction in big ways, the PR team has certainly been trying to hide it from us.

the_scotsman wrote:

Billicus wrote:
With no new units what is there to even say really? Slight rules wording changes and adjustments on preexisting crap don't make for much of a preview. Save your money on this one, there'll be zero heart in it

Not saying you couldn't add new units without adding new kits, because hey, veteran Intercessors, Death Company Intercessors, and Hounds of Morkai exist, but you would have to give a feth about something not marines for 5 seconds to do it, so I doubt we'll see Bloodbrides and Trueborn return.

Nope, I'd say zero chances of that.

We can expect something new in the detachment part, but mostly it will be an update and rebalance, not a redesign.
More like the SM dex than the DG one.

Some renamed and slightly adjusted relics, warlord traits, detachment rules, that's all that'll change. There aren't any more unit entries for them to remove so at least that shouldn't happen this time, unless they decide to squat one of the old metal kits or something.

Billicus wrote:
With no new units what is there to even say really? Slight rules wording changes and adjustments on preexisting crap don't make for much of a preview. Save your money on this one, there'll be zero heart in it

As has been mentioned the Death Guard changed a lot between the two books. I hated playing Death Guard in 8th as much as I loved painting them, but now the codex is actually fun. It's for that reason I am actually excited for this codex.

A codex can have a lot of changes and improvements without adding new units. I mean, in an ideal world we'd get plastic replacements for resin/metal kits, but that does not bar the codex from being fun.

Piety and Pain is apparently 140 Euro and the numbers seem to be rather limited. Source: War of Sigmar.

Clearly previewing Bela'kors new rules that will be released in some unanounced book in the indeterminate future was far more important than the previewing the impending Drukhari codex, good job GW.

Whats the 140 Euro pricepoint translate to in american? $180? I've preordered 4 copies through my local, was expecting them to come in around $200 each MSRP.

As for rarity, doesn't seem to be quite *that* limited, stores are being limited to 20 copies each, which is a lot more than the 5 copy ration instituted for most of last year, albeit lower than the 50 copy limit that GW allowed in the past. Never had trouble getting my hands on these boxes in the past, don't anticipate that changing now.

 Imateria wrote:
Clearly previewing Bela'kors new rules that will be released in some unanounced book in the indeterminate future was far more important than the previewing the impending Drukhari codex, good job GW.

Strange post. Do you honestly think there won't be any Drukhari rules previews this week? Or is it just that you deserve to get the the articles you want before anyone else gets content they want?

 xttz wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
Clearly previewing Bela'kors new rules that will be released in some unanounced book in the indeterminate future was far more important than the previewing the impending Drukhari codex, good job GW.

Strange post. Do you honestly think there won't be any Drukhari rules previews this week? Or is it just that you deserve to get the the articles you want before anyone else gets content they want?

I think people are just frustrated with the anticipation.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

I think people are just frustrated with the anticipation.

People are waiting for things, they're not constantly crapping on everything else.

 xttz wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
Clearly previewing Bela'kors new rules that will be released in some unanounced book in the indeterminate future was far more important than the previewing the impending Drukhari codex, good job GW.

Strange post. Do you honestly think there won't be any Drukhari rules previews this week? Or is it just that you deserve to get the the articles you want before anyone else gets content they want?

I mean given that we'll know 100% of the drukhari rules on...I think saturday is when the embargo lifts? And belakor's not in the upcoming charadon book, unless he's not listed in the table of contents, meaning he'll be at least a few months out...it does seem a bit strange to be previewing belakor and redemptionists so far in advance.

I dunno, it's fine. I'm glad for fans of Gray Standard Demon Man, and I'll probably buy some fun fire cultists to add to my extremely diverse and increasingly implausible tzeentch cultist collection.

All factions, as far as I remember, had a full week of previews before the Codex entered preorder. To build hype, I guess.

I'm normally in the positive side of things, but I can't find the positivity in not having the same as the other factions had.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

I think people are just frustrated with the anticipation.

People are waiting for things, they're not constantly crapping on everything else.

Sure, but in this particular instance I can understand the anxiety waiting to see if GW will pull this off or land a dud.


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 Denegaar wrote:
All factions, as far as I remember, had a full week of previews before the Codex entered preorder. To build hype, I guess.

I'm normally in the positive side of things, but I can't find the positivity in not having the same as the other factions had.

Those books usually didn't have the prior previews like DE has had so far. There will be more articles, I'm sure.

 Denegaar wrote:
All factions, as far as I remember, had a full week of previews before the Codex entered preorder. To build hype, I guess.

I'm normally in the positive side of things, but I can't find the positivity in not having the same as the other factions had.

DE have already had some articles.

Right...and they were super underwhelming, hence why people are worried.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Denegaar wrote:
All factions, as far as I remember, had a full week of previews before the Codex entered preorder. To build hype, I guess.

I'm normally in the positive side of things, but I can't find the positivity in not having the same as the other factions had.

DE have already had some articles.

This is true, kind of similar to how DA and DG got a few teasers prior to their release. Really, I'm just hoping for a few specifics in terms of the overall structure of what they've done. What are we looking at for army wide rules. How does the subfaction mixing they've promised actually work. I'm sure most of the things I'll get actually excited about will wait until the full reveals on saturday, like specific weapon and statline changes that make models that have been sitting on the shelf for an age actually usable (a guy can dream, anyway) but the basic statline of one troop unit, the partial statline of one weapon (how Poisoned Weapons actually work would seem to be changing at least somewhat, given that they've changed from S1 to S2 and S3 for no adequately explained reason) and the partial statline of a named character available to a single subfaction.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Right...and they were super underwhelming, hence why people are worried.

Just arguing against the point that they’ve had any less articles than usual, and that that’s some reason to be worried. All codexes have rubbish fillery articles when they come out. DEs have just been more spread out, presumably due to the delays.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Combat Patrol should be $140 USD, seems to be a standardized price point. Pretty fair price for what you get.

"Fair"?

One SM CP is literally old SM primaris SC, with 1 more mini and huge price hike. DA CP is literally a joke, 10 minis for that price is just

Spoletta wrote:
Too bad that the named char makes it bad in multiples.

I'd imagine she would be pretty easy to convert into a succubus with spare wych parts, no? Better looking one than default, very static model, too.

I think part of the problem is that, as a result of reboxing, some Drukhari datasheets have been leaking out. These have been mostly underwhelming, but I'm not convinced that GW would have chosen to show them off in advance of the rules if they'd had the choice.

 harlokin wrote:
I think part of the problem is that, as a result of reboxing, some Drukhari datasheets have been leaking out. These have been mostly underwhelming, but I'm not convinced that GW would have chosen to show them off in advance of the rules if they'd had the choice.

I mean so far it's just been the wyches, drazar, venoms and incubi. The only people really calling those 'underwhelming' that I've seen have been folks assuming that special rules they currently have theyll lose. Like +1A -1AP and +1S on several special weapon options is basically what Wyches need to be effective, it's not a ton but there's not really much else I'd add to them, they're pretty decent. I guess change their special rule to give them a 4++ vs any attacks made while in engagement range, rather than just attacks made in the fight phase, since they tend to get owned by pistols. Venoms I guess are really next to nothing, but everything that makes a venom good or bad is special rules. The datasheet didn't change much, but the change did indicate that Reavers are getting a good change at least.

I agree, but the expectation, as with film trailers, is that the best bits will be front and centre.

As you said, the rules are what make the difference, so the datasheets are being looked at somewhat out of context.

 harlokin wrote:
I agree, but the expecation, as with film trailers, is that the best bits will be front and centre.

As you said, the rules are what make the difference, so the datasheets are being looked at somewhat out of context.

Yeah, and also they're just gonna be random. Like, they almost certainly have zero fething control over which of those assembly sheets wind up on the internet when. They chose to preview kabs because that's one where they made the most changes to the core sheet - doubling attacks, +1sv, and several weapon changes that are statline-based.

Even if they did The Thing Everyone Wants with venoms, you'd have no idea with the assembly datasheet, because that "transport capacity 6" wouldnt be on there.

Prices, for those interested.

the_scotsman wrote:

 harlokin wrote:
I agree, but the expecation, as with film trailers, is that the best bits will be front and centre.

As you said, the rules are what make the difference, so the datasheets are being looked at somewhat out of context.

Yeah, and also they're just gonna be random. Like, they almost certainly have zero fething control over which of those assembly sheets wind up on the internet when. They chose to preview kabs because that's one where they made the most changes to the core sheet - doubling attacks, +1sv, and several weapon changes that are statline-based.

Even if they did The Thing Everyone Wants with venoms, you'd have no idea with the assembly datasheet, because that "transport capacity 6" wouldnt be on there.

I'd also point out that the articles themselves for Kabs and Incubi were very short and in the case of Incubi was 3 months ago. It's been a damn long wait with little to nothing to go on and now that we've finally got to "our week" they start it off by previewing a Daemon for another faction.

Compare this to Death Guard. They were admitedly in a weird position where GW pushed back their codex release on the day everyone expected it to be announced for pre-order and so their faction focus articles came out with no pre-order to lead up to, but at least in that week it was wall to wall Death Guard information without previews promoting completely separate factions stealing their limelight.

What is the currency? GW sells the new dice sets at £20 each AFAIK, so the listed price here aint in pounds.

I kinda hate the fact that I'm surprised P&P has a lower price than I expected. It means they're normalizing these absurd price points.

$60 for the almost-no-content Book of Rust seems laughable.
Its 96 pages!

 harlokin wrote:
What is the currency? GW sells the new dice sets at £20 each AFAIK, so the listed price here aint in pounds.

US dollars. At least from the codex and combat patrol prices.

Billicus wrote:
With no new units what is there to even say really? Slight rules wording changes and adjustments on preexisting crap don't make for much of a preview. Save your money on this one, there'll be zero heart in it

Even with just old models necrons turned upside down.

If there's　something you can count with gw it's changes. Non-change doesn't get people replace old army lists to new ones.

Those prices are insane, glad to see the Combat Patrol is holding at $140 - thats amazing value right there, hands down the best Combat Patrol so far. And the price on Piety & Pain is super-unexpected, was worrying GW would price them over $200, glad to see its $170, can't wait for my copies

Those books though... $60 for Book of Rust and $40 for Crusade missions? WTF is GW thinking?

 Irbis wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Combat Patrol should be $140 USD, seems to be a standardized price point. Pretty fair price for what you get.

"Fair"?

One SM CP is literally old SM primaris SC, with 1 more mini and huge price hike. DA CP is literally a joke, 10 minis for that price is just

Ok. But we're talking about the Drukhari Combat Patrol, not the DA Combat Patrol.