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 vipoid wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
I think people are opening themselves for a letdown if they expect Covens to keep their 5++(or 4++ if you are Prophets). It made the choice of Drukhari Detachment very lopsided as 4++ was such a strong trait and even with 5++ Covens were out-surviving everything else in the codex.

So I fully expect the 4++ and 5++ will go.

Do you expect them to get anything to replace it, or are Covens just not meant to be used in 9th?

Yes, I am suspecting they gain a 6+++ or 5+++, or go up to T5, or stay T4 but have -1 to be wounded. With PFP going to ++ saves I expect all coven units to lose their invulnerable saves but gain defense in some other way.

the_scotsman wrote:
God I HOPE they rework the haemonculus aura of that. I can count on...no fingers the number of times my haemonculus buffing my pain engines from T6 to the heady heights of T7 ever mattered even one time in a game.

Because nobody has S8 and S9 antitank weapons that just make that buff totally pointless....

Bringing triple-Tantalus up to T8 is quite annoying.

At least now the grizzled crusade trait has a purpose for drug Hari now.

I'm reminded of one of my favorite guns in Destiny 2 when I see formations coming back in a new name. That would be the horror story, named after the gun before it called the origin story. The quote simply reads " It didn't start out scary. " That is how I fear the formations by any other name will end up. Marginally useful or weak at first, not sell books like they think they should before they come out over the top and soul crushing. I don't like this at all and I fear it'll end up a true horror story.

For who brings up LotR rules to somehow show these will be balanced ? I don't see how one goes to the other. They have shown over and over they will shamelessly bloat and money churn rules at the expense of the games health for maximum profit. They show no shame especially when they seem to love to now roll with a new edition every 3 years why should they care ? They screw it up sell lots of overly expensive short on content books and then wash it away with a new edition as they promise they learned their lesson. I was born one day but it wasn't yesterday and I know I'm not the only one who see's what they are doing here.

I love fun rules like anyone, but this ain't it.

Tyel wrote:
Things can be tanky because they are cheap.

But I'm not sure a Wrack with say T4 and a 6++ is *that* cheap. I assume the view is that if they get 3 poison attacks, they are quasi-Orks. But we wait and see.

(Also £22 for a unit that potentially costs 40 points is quite awful. Not uniquely so perhaps, but awful all the same. I've always wanted the ability to run a mono-Covens army, and maybe now's the time, but I thought this was a con 6 years ago.)

To e fair there are quite a few units in the game that are very expensive money wise compared to points. Mek Gunz is 30 pounds for a 40 point unit, and I think the Beast of Nurgle is similar.

Ultimately I can imagine 5++ to stay around(even some sort of FnP), but Prophets of Flesh 8th edition ability I am 99% sure is gone. I'd be very surprised if that stays around because if it does they can literally just wipe out every other Coven and just claim that Prophets of Flesh is the only Coven in the army.

Crusade rules today, since I don't care for crusade I can't even be bothered to read it.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/18/become-one-of-commorraghs-greatest-crime-lords-with-the-new-drukhari-codex/

They seem kinda fun, tbh. The Dominion campaign is 100% my favorite aspect of Necromunda, so I'm pretty pleased with the idea of my dark eldar in campaign being accumulating territory etc.

If it wasn't for all the lockdowns, I'd be playing Crusade a ton against my favourite opponents. It's a fantastic way to play enjoyable games. But since I get so few times to play right now, I'd rather keep my senses sharp and play a matched play game in a tourney-style.

yeah, crusade is a fun way to play missions where both players can feel like they're achieving things even when one wins and one loses.

 Yarium wrote:
If it wasn't for all the lockdowns, I'd be playing Crusade a ton against my favourite opponents. It's a fantastic way to play enjoyable games. But since I get so few times to play right now, I'd rather keep my senses sharp and play a matched play game in a tourney-style.

Same here. One of the things I am looking forward to when everyone is vaccinated is to give Crusade a proper go.

No new Dark Eldar minis? (other than a side-grade... at best)

More rules bloat coming? In $60 books?

Dark Eldar are my only 40k army left. I was waiting to see how it was looking...

Goodbye 9th edition 40k. Maybe I'll be back for 10th. Hopefully they improve the game instead of just hitting reset and making the same mistakes they've been making since 7th.

 Red Viper wrote:
No new Dark Eldar minis? (other than a side-grade... at best)

More rules bloat coming? In $60 books?

Dark Eldar are my only 40k army left. I was waiting to see how it was looking...

Goodbye 9th edition 40k. Maybe I'll be back for 10th. Hopefully they improve the game instead of just hitting reset and making the same mistakes they've been making since 7th.

If you were going to make that call before actually seeing the codex, then you were going to leave anyway regardless.

I must that I am a bit disappointed no more datasheets have leaked out recently. We have Wyches, Venoms, and Kabalites and that's it?

the_scotsman wrote:

 Red Viper wrote:
No new Dark Eldar minis? (other than a side-grade... at best)

More rules bloat coming? In $60 books?

Dark Eldar are my only 40k army left. I was waiting to see how it was looking...

Goodbye 9th edition 40k. Maybe I'll be back for 10th. Hopefully they improve the game instead of just hitting reset and making the same mistakes they've been making since 7th.

If you were going to make that call before actually seeing the codex, then you were going to leave anyway regardless.

I mean, we can be pretty sure the codex isn't going to spontaneously dispense Vect models.

Yeah the codex previews haven't unveiled anything really substantial. Some minor tweaks, but no large changes. Only one new model.

At first from todays update, I thought there was going to be a new Court of the Archon box which included new sculpts for Sslyth and Lhamean but then I realized those were just kitbashes.

I think a Court of the Archon box in plastic would be a nice little purchase though. A venom, one each of the court members and multiple options to customize an Archon.

 Red Viper wrote:
No new Dark Eldar minis? (other than a side-grade... at best)

New Lelith is a LOT better. Haters gonna hate.


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 Icculus wrote:

and multiple options to customize an Archon.

LOL have you seen the new codices? Any new Archon you get is gonna get its own static entry because it's already hard writing a singular Gravis Captain entry!

the_scotsman wrote:

 Red Viper wrote:
No new Dark Eldar minis? (other than a side-grade... at best)

More rules bloat coming? In $60 books?

Dark Eldar are my only 40k army left. I was waiting to see how it was looking...

Goodbye 9th edition 40k. Maybe I'll be back for 10th. Hopefully they improve the game instead of just hitting reset and making the same mistakes they've been making since 7th.

If you were going to make that call before actually seeing the codex, then you were going to leave anyway regardless.

So you think there's more than the lelith　coming? As if not then he's accurate. No models bar that, more　rules bloat. More free rules. He didn't comment on power level. Just lack of new models and more rule bloat. Hard to believe but not all are fan of rule　bloat...

 Icculus wrote:

I think a Court of the Archon box in plastic would be a nice little purchase though. A venom, one each of the court members and multiple options to customize an Archon.

That doesn't happen anymore. Even Space Marine characters are regulated to individual datasheets per model, or combined lieutenant datasheets that only allow weapon options that are on an existing model. When character option lockdown even extends to space marines and their 30+ character models, dark eldar aren't getting anything customizable.

It's the end of the game as I know it, and I feel fine.

Campaing book with extra rules with maybe few rules that could be useful? It is like people have forgotten that is nothing new.

If you don't like it, don't buy. If you play them, ask opponents if it is okay to use it. Simple as that.

And there is only 4 pages of rules concerning Dark Eldar. 4. Rules we have not even seen but everyone assumes is most powerful stuff and should be in the book.

Feels like people are just being big time drama queens for sake of it.

Typical Dakka. 1/20th (or less) of the codex has been previewed and it's already the weakest 9th edition codex released so far.

I think back to the first week of previews of DG and how that was going to be weaker than SM's and Necrons. 5 months later and it can hold it's own against any codex out right now.

But the salt must flow guys. Let's keep it salty, my blood pressure is too low.

Sotahullu wrote:
Campaing book with extra rules with maybe few rules that could be useful? It is like people have forgotten that is nothing new.

If you don't like it, don't buy. If you play them, ask opponents if it is okay to use it. Simple as that.

And there is only 4 pages of rules concerning Dark Eldar. 4. Rules we have not even seen but everyone assumes is most powerful stuff and should be in the book.

Feels like people are just being big time drama queens for sake of it.

I'm just calling it now the Warzone Charadon Cult of Strife rules are Ynnari oriented just to piss off people.

I expect the DE codex will be fine in terms of *power*.

The question that haunts people is whether its going to be *fun*.

If DE are getting the "we're trying to cut down special rules this edition mmmk" treatment, its going to be lame. Even if every unit can just be a very cheap brick of stats and therefore top tier/broken.

Sotahullu wrote:
Campaing book with extra rules with maybe few rules that could be useful? It is like people have forgotten that is nothing new.

If you don't like it, don't buy. If you play them, ask opponents if it is okay to use it. Simple as that.

And there is only 4 pages of rules concerning Dark Eldar. 4. Rules we have not even seen but everyone assumes is most powerful stuff and should be in the book.

Feels like people are just being big time drama queens for sake of it.

Feels like you are strawmanning people, and you don't know what you are talking about.

Drukhari players are not unhappy because the Cult of Strife rules may be the bestest eva and they don't want to pay for a supplement, but because they appear to be the basic rules for the main Wych Cult that should be in the fething codex.

How do they "appear to be the basic rules for the main Wych Cult"?

We have a page count. That's all we know at the moment. Did you really expect to see three or four pages worth of Cult of Strife content in the Codex before knowing this supplemental stuff would be coming?

 Kanluwen wrote:
How do they "appear to be the basic rules for the main Wych Cult"?

We have a page count. That's all we know at the moment. Did you really expect to see three or four pages worth of Cult of Strife content in the Codex before knowing this supplemental stuff would be coming?

We know its not an 'army of renown', and we don't know how many of those four pages are actually rules.

 harlokin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
How do they "appear to be the basic rules for the main Wych Cult"?

We have a page count. That's all we know at the moment. Did you really expect to see three or four pages worth of Cult of Strife content in the Codex before knowing this supplemental stuff would be coming?

We know its not an 'army of renown', and we don't know how many of those four pages are actually rules.

But we all know how this usually goes.
Snowflake rule, bonus Warlord trait(s), relics, page of strats, name generator, couple pieces of art, that's four pages and called 'done.'

I wouldn't be surprised if its in addition to their Obsession/Trait/Relic/Single Strat in the main codex, but its still galling to see GW selling extra power-ups this early in the cycle. (or at all, personally, but I know some people out there love the Vigilus/PA/Warzone cash-for-trash cycle)

 harlokin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
How do they "appear to be the basic rules for the main Wych Cult"?

We have a page count. That's all we know at the moment. Did you really expect to see three or four pages worth of Cult of Strife content in the Codex before knowing this supplemental stuff would be coming?

We know its not an 'army of renown', and we don't know how many of those four pages are actually rules.

So, again, how do you know it's stuff cut out of the main book?

You'll 100% have a valid point if, say, Lelith's rules are only in this Charadon stuff...but it's not like Typhus was locked out of the Death Guard book for his stuff in this book.

jivardi wrote:
Typical Dakka. 1/20th (or less) of the codex has been previewed and it's already the weakest 9th edition codex released so far.

I think back to the first week of previews of DG and how that was going to be weaker than SM's and Necrons. 5 months later and it can hold it's own against any codex out right now.

But the salt must flow guys. Let's keep it salty, my blood pressure is too low.

LOL we've had HOW many codices released so far? Please don't try to count the supplements as codices. You're basically saying the Death Guard codex can hold its own against 2 other codices hahahahaha

 Kanluwen wrote:

 harlokin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
How do they "appear to be the basic rules for the main Wych Cult"?

We have a page count. That's all we know at the moment. Did you really expect to see three or four pages worth of Cult of Strife content in the Codex before knowing this supplemental stuff would be coming?

We know its not an 'army of renown', and we don't know how many of those four pages are actually rules.

So, again, how do you know it's stuff cut out of the main book?

You'll 100% have a valid point if, say, Lelith's rules are only in this Charadon stuff...but it's not like Typhus was locked out of the Death Guard book for his stuff in this book.

Agree completely. I wouldn't mind if it were just a reprint of what's in the codex. The difference with Typhus is that, his formation and the AdMech one are specifically listed as special formations, while the Cult of Strife isn't.