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 Imateria wrote:
A few leaks finally starting to come, things are looking are definitely looking better, a bump to transport capacity on Raiders and venoms is much appreciated.

Thats a big buff!

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
A few leaks finally starting to come, things are looking are definitely looking better, a bump to transport capacity on Raiders and venoms is much appreciated.

Thats a big buff!

a long overdue one too!

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
A few leaks finally starting to come, things are looking are definitely looking better, a bump to transport capacity on Raiders and venoms is much appreciated.

Thats a big buff!

a long overdue one too!

It's not as if they needed the seating capacity, most of the crazy elfs just dangle over the sides.

I read raiders at 11 as well.

 harlokin wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
A few leaks finally starting to come, things are looking are definitely looking better, a bump to transport capacity on Raiders and venoms is much appreciated.

Thats a big buff!

a long overdue one too!

It's not as if they needed the seating capacity, most of the crazy elfs just dangle over the sides.

It is just so massive - I literally use to drive a venom with 2 archons in it and 2 slith. Now I can just drop the slith and the additional venom...take more scourge or maybe even upgrade some venom to raiders.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 harlokin wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
A few leaks finally starting to come, things are looking are definitely looking better, a bump to transport capacity on Raiders and venoms is much appreciated.

Thats a big buff!

a long overdue one too!

It's not as if they needed the seating capacity, most of the crazy elfs just dangle over the sides.

It is just so massive - I literally use to drive a venom with 2 archons in it and 2 slith. Now I can just drop the slith and the additional venom...take more scourge or maybe even upgrade some venom to raiders.

Same....for a while I was using a Lhamaean as an airbag for my Archon, as she was a bit cheaper than a Sslyth

Incubi actually do pretty well with the new PFP. Advance and charge is a nice touch for them - though they will miss the FNP. I wonder if there will be a way to give them some FNP.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Incubi actually do pretty well with the new PFP. Advance and charge is a nice touch for them - though they will miss the FNP. I wonder if there will be a way to give them some FNP.

Their new Tormentors rule, forcing opponents to fight last, is also very good for them.

 harlokin wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Incubi actually do pretty well with the new PFP. Advance and charge is a nice touch for them - though they will miss the FNP. I wonder if there will be a way to give them some FNP.

Their new Tormentors rule, forcing opponents to fight last, is also very good for them.

Wow - that is also really good. Can't wait to get the codex so I can get a good grasp on everything. Looks like they finally made a way to get initiative back into the mix.

 harlokin wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Incubi actually do pretty well with the new PFP. Advance and charge is a nice touch for them - though they will miss the FNP. I wonder if there will be a way to give them some FNP.

Their new Tormentors rule, forcing opponents to fight last, is also very good for them.

Fight last if you beat the LD on a 2d6.

Useful, but nothing really great.


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By the way, Drazhar is a beast.

Unreliable fight last isn't a very useful ability, it's being able to plan around it that makes it strong.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Unreliable fight last isn't a very useful ability, it's being able to plan around it that makes it strong.

I agree, but its a big improvement on the old rule.... particularly for a fragile (ish) unit that hits like a truck. And if you stick the Incubi in a transport, you can equip Grisly Trophies for a -2 Ld debuff aura, which would make the Tormentors more reliable.

Heat Lances going to S8 and having melta at the full 18" now is pretty strong, shame about them going Heavy though as they may not be as useful on Scourge anymore. Strong choice for Reavers and Talos though.

 Imateria wrote:
Heat Lances going to S8 and having melta at the full 18" now is pretty strong, shame about them going Heavy though as they may not be as useful on Scourge anymore. Strong choice for Reavers and Talos though.

Scourges seem to be the relative losers of the stuff we've seen thus far.

Drukhari have a new army wide rule, but we have no idea what it does.

Looks like -1 AP on 6s to wound.

At least that, no clue if it has more stuff on it.

PfP swapping the FnP for an invuln seems ridiculously redundent now, everything seems to have retained their invulns making the turn 1 bonus functionally worthless.

 Imateria wrote:
PfP swapping the FnP for an invuln seems ridiculously redundent now, everything seems to have retained their invulns making the turn 1 bonus functionally worthless.

im glad its gone simply because it removes mostly irrelevant rolling from the game.


i just noticed that the succubus went to 6 attacks and lost the -1 to hit on the archite glaive (finally!)
the Haemonculus also can heal every turn without requiring a stratagem !!!

 harlokin wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
Heat Lances going to S8 and having melta at the full 18" now is pretty strong, shame about them going Heavy though as they may not be as useful on Scourge anymore. Strong choice for Reavers and Talos though.

Scourges seem to be the relative losers of the stuff we've seen thus far.

Auto 3 shots is really nice - but now it is heavy.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
PfP swapping the FnP for an invuln seems ridiculously redundent now, everything seems to have retained their invulns making the turn 1 bonus functionally worthless.

im glad its gone simply because it removes mostly irrelevant rolling from the game.


i just noticed that the succubus went to 6 attacks and lost the -1 to hit on the archite glaive (finally!)
the Haemonculus also can heal every turn without requiring a stratagem !!!

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>Black Heart: +1 round for PfP (turn 3 5++ yay), also applies to HIRED BLADES (or BLADES FOR HIRE, whatever) if in a Realspace Raid detachment with a Black Heart Archon, +1 Ld, one reroll to hit per unit per activation
>WT: Twisted Cunning: Roll 1d6 per CP spent on a stratagem for either player, get a CP on a 6
>Relic: Writ of the Living Muse: BH Archon only, reroll 1s to wound aura, affects HIRED BLADES if in a Realspace Raid detachment
>Stratagem: Agents of Vect: 0C, one use only, use AFTER an opponent uses a stratagem, increase that stratagem's CP cost by 1 till the end of the battle


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What now, Dakka?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

What now, Dakka?

Well. now we have confirmation that DG got that gakky rule for no reason.
I'm glad that Drukharis arent bound to the same fate but its still mind boggling that they did that to DG.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I'm glad that Drukharis arent bound to the same fate but its still mind boggling that they did that to DG.

Or because they didn't want DG to be heavy on shooting and just mishandled the wording.

Am I understanding this right? It looks like you can get +2 to PfP with a Realspace Archon and relevant units? Don't quite understand it yet.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I'm glad that Drukharis arent bound to the same fate but its still mind boggling that they did that to DG.

Or because they didn't want DG to be heavy on shooting and just mishandled the wording.

What's imbalanced about Plague Marines having 2 Blight Launchers and a Plasma Gun compared to 2 Plasma Guns and 1 Blight Launcher?

Here's a hint: it isn't and that's a garbage take. I know you love defending GW but that's ridiculous.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I'm glad that Drukharis arent bound to the same fate but its still mind boggling that they did that to DG.

Or because they didn't want DG to be heavy on shooting and just mishandled the wording.

except the changes also affected their melee weapons (plague marines)

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I'm glad that Drukharis arent bound to the same fate but its still mind boggling that they did that to DG.

Or because they didn't want DG to be heavy on shooting and just mishandled the wording.

Am I understanding this right? It looks like you can get +2 to PfP with a Realspace Archon and relevant units? Don't quite understand it yet.

Ooooh, that would make Realspace Raiding nasty! People were disappointed that you needed to take an HQ and a Troop choice from each of Kabals/ Covens/ Cults... But if doing so allows the entire detachment to pretend it's turn 3 on turn 1?

That feels worth the requirement. This dex is going to be the bomb! I can't wait!

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I'm glad that Drukharis arent bound to the same fate but its still mind boggling that they did that to DG.

Or because they didn't want DG to be heavy on shooting and just mishandled the wording.

I don't want to derail the thread with this, but how do the melee restrictions (specifically one axe, and then one more axe if a mace is ALSO taken) play into that scenario? I just don't see how a reasonable person could compare the datasheet to the instructions and interpret it differently.

But yes, its a relief to see that the approach did not continue on the new book. Still arbitrary and frustrating, though.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I'm glad that Drukharis arent bound to the same fate but its still mind boggling that they did that to DG.

Or because they didn't want DG to be heavy on shooting and just mishandled the wording.

What's imbalanced about Plague Marines having 2 Blight Launchers and a Plasma Gun compared to 2 Plasma Guns and 1 Blight Launcher?

Here's a hint: it isn't and that's a garbage take. I know you love defending GW but that's ridiculous.

5 models for 3 PG as opposed to 10 models for 3 PG. Imagine the AoR with deepstriking min sized obsec PMs that are hard to kill and loaded with PGs. When a Blight Launcher and PG are the same cost which do you take for deepstrike?


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 Slowroll wrote:
I don't want to derail the thread with this, but how do the melee restrictions (specifically one axe, and then one more axe if a mace is ALSO taken) play into that scenario? I just don't see how a reasonable person could compare the datasheet to the instructions and interpret it differently.

But yes, its a relief to see that the approach did not continue on the new book. Still arbitrary and frustrating, though.

I reserve the right to be entirely wrong. I just won't stop pondering potential reasons. They did it. They didn't FAQ it. It sucks for collections ( we all agree ).



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PenitentJake wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I'm glad that Drukharis arent bound to the same fate but its still mind boggling that they did that to DG.

Or because they didn't want DG to be heavy on shooting and just mishandled the wording.

Am I understanding this right? It looks like you can get +2 to PfP with a Realspace Archon and relevant units? Don't quite understand it yet.

Ooooh, that would make Realspace Raiding nasty! People were disappointed that you needed to take an HQ and a Troop choice from each of Kabals/ Covens/ Cults... But if doing so allows the entire detachment to pretend it's turn 3 on turn 1?

That feels worth the requirement. This dex is going to be the bomb! I can't wait!

Don't quote me on it. I think it is only some models that get +2. Everyone else would be +1. I don't know if something stops it from stacking. Everything is in Spanish so it's all in the air until the videos come out.


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Ok here's the detail - it's an obsession

Thirst for power:
-Units with this obsession with Power from Pain count the round as being 1 more than it is for the rule's effects:
-If a Realspace Raid detachment has an archon with this obsession all Blade for Hire units with PfP are also treat the round as being +1
-+1 Ld to all miniatures with this obsession
-You can reroll a single hit roll each time a unit with this obsession is chosen to attack

So +2 to everything with a Realspace containing a Thirst for Power Archon it seems like.






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Big upgrades for Cronos:

You literally avoided my question with your reply LOL. How about instead of just pondering reasons you actually look at the topic on hand and realize it was GW restricting these particular kits just because they could. There IS NOT a balance justification. Don't pretend there is, nor should you pretend that's why GW does anything.

Daed, is your sentiment that the upgrades for the cronos are big...sarcastic? It still seems like an absolute meme unit to me. Dreadnought-sized model with 4 S5 AP-1 D1 attacks, and one slightly improved heavy flamer...

Yeah, Cronos can ressurrect CORE models with its ability now if that unit has no wounded dudes, I think it's quite useful.

Talos are CORE too.