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 Dysartes wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
While every week we see yet another fancy Space Marine model nobody really needed.

Ah, the sweet, sweet smell of hyperbole strikes again.

Serious question - aside from Ventris, have we actually seen any new SM models/kits previewed this year? I think the Gladiator and Speeders were reviewed last year, weren't they, and I'm know the HI and their Captain were, even if they were only released with the latest Kill Team box.

I'm fully aware that we've seen a number of releases - tied to Dark Angels & Kill Team - but as far as I'm aware the SM pipeline is currently dry when it comes to unreleased, but previewed, models.

It isn't really hyperbole when this edition Space Marines have already had over 20 separate releases in 9th edition alone.

If we can now focus on ranges such as Orks and Eldar then fair enough.
I'm happy for Orks, but lord to Eldar need it.

Does the Imperium exclusive Primaris captain not count as a preview?

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Does the Imperium exclusive Primaris captain not count as a preview?

When they don't sell that to most of the world, no. No, it does not.

Voss wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Does the Imperium exclusive Primaris captain not count as a preview?

When they don't sell that to most of the world, no. No, it does not.

I still count it as a reason to be exasperated. It's just another space marine model, taking up resources, even if it's only available to a part of the world. Remember, all of these models are manufactured in one place. It's not like each country has it's own GW factory.

Eh, if it was for xenos I wouldn't really count it. So I'm not going to hold it against marines.


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 dan2026 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
While every week we see yet another fancy Space Marine model nobody really needed.

Ah, the sweet, sweet smell of hyperbole strikes again.

Serious question - aside from Ventris, have we actually seen any new SM models/kits previewed this year? I think the Gladiator and Speeders were reviewed last year, weren't they, and I'm know the HI and their Captain were, even if they were only released with the latest Kill Team box.

I'm fully aware that we've seen a number of releases - tied to Dark Angels & Kill Team - but as far as I'm aware the SM pipeline is currently dry when it comes to unreleased, but previewed, models.

It isn't really hyperbole when this edition Space Marines have already had over 20 separate releases in 9th edition alone.

If we can now focus on ranges such as Orks and Eldar then fair enough.
I'm happy for Orks, but lord to Eldar need it.

I'm as willing to knock on marines as the next guy, but they aren't getting a release every week. Not even close to that bad.

I have a suspicion that GW have sat on eldar for a long time to build up a passionate demand for new models so that when they finally revamp them sales will be through to roof.

mrFickle wrote:
I have a suspicion that GW have sat on eldar for a long time to build up a passionate demand for new models so that when they finally revamp them sales will be through to roof.

I really hope you are right.

It is odd that we have seen no sign of them in any of the rumour engine pics.

mrFickle wrote:
I have a suspicion that GW have sat on eldar for a long time to build up a passionate demand for new models so that when they finally revamp them sales will be through to roof.

seems that no matter what GW releases sales are through the roof.

The stream was pretty funny (not really).

"What about Xenos?"
"Um go pre-order the new Dark Eldar codex?"

Least the Orks are getting something.

 Arbitrator wrote:
The stream was pretty fun.

"What about Xenos?"
"Here is one model and a trailer which foreshadows several new kits that we are going to release for one of the most iconic Xenos army.

Fixed that for you

A box that has one new model of an existing model for a xenon faction that seems more memed than actually liked.

 Arbitrator wrote:
The stream was pretty funny (not really).

"What about Xenos?"
"Um go pre-order the new Dark Eldar codex?"

Least the Orks are getting something.

Actual dialogue from the stream:

"Go preorder the Piety and Pain Box!"
"It's sold out."
"Oh, uh, well, if you couldn't get it, sorry."

drbored wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
The stream was pretty funny (not really).

"What about Xenos?"
"Um go pre-order the new Dark Eldar codex?"

Least the Orks are getting something.

Actual dialogue from the stream:

"Go preorder the Piety and Pain Box!"
"It's sold out."
"Oh, uh, well, if you couldn't get it, sorry."

So go buy it through a local (or not local) retailer.

drbored wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
The stream was pretty funny (not really).

"What about Xenos?"
"Um go pre-order the new Dark Eldar codex?"

Least the Orks are getting something.

Actual dialogue from the stream:

"Go preorder the Piety and Pain Box!"
"It's sold out."
"Oh, uh, well, if you couldn't get it, sorry."

Ok now THAT is funny

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

drbored wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
The stream was pretty funny (not really).

"What about Xenos?"
"Um go pre-order the new Dark Eldar codex?"

Least the Orks are getting something.

Actual dialogue from the stream:

"Go preorder the Piety and Pain Box!"
"It's sold out."
"Oh, uh, well, if you couldn't get it, sorry."

Ok now THAT is funny

It was pretty hilarious. That was, what, a half hour into the stream. The box sold out in 3 minutes in europe and in 3 minutes in North America (when those preorders went live a few hours later).

It's hard to know how much of this is demand, how much of it is a supply problem, and how much of it is due to the pandemic. It's probably all three, and then some other issues we're not aware of.

Also.. Scalping programs are a real pain now now. Just look at the PS5 debacle for example people just take the micky now..

 Argive wrote:
Also.. Scalping programs are a real pain now now. Just look at the PS5 debacle for example people just take the micky now..

Scalping exists when there's a shortage of things, which is happening in nearly every industry. There's not a ton that can be done. Even limits of 'one per customer' only go so far.

When it comes to GW, printing more of an in-demand item is the best course, if it makes sense for them profit wise. A lot of times, a certain amount is made because any less and you'd lose money and any more and you'd lose money. It may not make sense, but it's how it works with economies of scale.

Thankfully, things like Piety and Pain are simply 'good deals', they're not limited models or anything like that. A little patience goes a long way in retaining a peaceful mind.

I am beginning to believe that the boxes are made in numbers of what they expect to sell based off previous data and I think that they underestimated the desire for this box. Wouldn't be the first box. Looncurse(AoS, Gloomspite and Sylvaneth) had so few boxes that my FLGS only got 1 or so.

Regarding Craftworld redesign I wouldn't put it past GW that they are working on a redesign, but since it takes years to get a line made we won't be seeing any rumor engine reveals until 4 months before release. We should also take into account that if they are redesigning that they will most likely add a heavy alternate "Ynnari" bits into it so they can sell it as an Ynnari force and Craftworld. We've already seen that happen with the Incubi and Howling Banshees and I do believe that was the vanguard of things to come.

Despite the success of the Sisters release, GW are probably still really leery of releasing a Battlebox for 40k with 0 Marines in it, so I imagine they also severely underestimated demand. Plus non-Marine boxes in 40k are about 50/50 in terms of success right now. Forgebane did brilliantly (and may have influenced the Necron reboot) but BotP didn't do well.

When you look at a few of the AOS boxes and how many of them are still on sale it sort of goes to show how much bigger 40k is still.

 Bosskelot wrote:
Despite the success of the Sisters release, GW are probably still really leery of releasing a Battlebox for 40k with 0 Marines in it, so I imagine they also severely underestimated demand. Plus non-Marine boxes in 40k are about 50/50 in terms of success right now. Forgebane did brilliantly (and may have influenced the Necron reboot) but BotP didn't do well.

When you look at a few of the AOS boxes and how many of them are still on sale it sort of goes to show how much bigger 40k is still.

The problem is that GW doesn't have much awareness of what people want or not.

Boxes that have units that not everyone has sell well and quickly whereas boxes with kits that most everyone has will languish. BotP, Feast of Bones, and Wrath and Rapture all suffered from this. Although I'd add that in case of BotP the price was just through the roof.

TBF it ould just be Covid throwing a wrench into things. They probably couldn't produce all that many even if they wanted to. The approach of 'print a small amount, if there is huge demand we'll do another print run' may actually be their only option.

with GW having their own factory and the make most things in EU now there was enough time to get things done according to demand

Other brands started to change because of the pandemic but because they produce in China it takes 6-12 months until they see results
Most of them also changed the material to something that they can do in house to keep up with demand etc.

So it is more like GW playing it save, rather produce too less and sell out in minutes than producing more and may have somehting left after one week (and as long as they sell everything they don't care who buys it, as long as it is gone within minutes)

I know my company is having some issues getting raw materials for producing high grade plastics - this might be an issue for GW as well.

GW is currently making nothing in the EU

Cronch wrote:
GW is currently making nothing in the EU

they are printing their books in Poland

 kodos wrote:

Cronch wrote:
GW is currently making nothing in the EU

they are printing their books in Poland

Printing books is not making models

but printing books in Poland is not making nothing in EU

 kodos wrote:
but printing books in Poland is not making nothing in EU

The point is that GW don't have a model factory in the EU/on the continent and THAT is the big stopper for production. That is going back t your earlier comment that GW makes most things in a EU factory when they factually don't

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Bosskelot wrote:
Despite the success of the Sisters release, GW are probably still really leery of releasing a Battlebox for 40k with 0 Marines in it, so I imagine they also severely underestimated demand. Plus non-Marine boxes in 40k are about 50/50 in terms of success right now. Forgebane did brilliantly (and may have influenced the Necron reboot) but BotP didn't do well.

When you look at a few of the AOS boxes and how many of them are still on sale it sort of goes to show how much bigger 40k is still.

The problem is that GW doesn't have much awareness of what people want or not.

Boxes that have units that not everyone has sell well and quickly whereas boxes with kits that most everyone has will languish. BotP, Feast of Bones, and Wrath and Rapture all suffered from this. Although I'd add that in case of BotP the price was just through the roof.

Well, there is no awareness because there is no 2-way communication between GW and it's customers at all.

 BroodSpawn wrote:

 kodos wrote:
but printing books in Poland is not making nothing in EU

The point is that GW don't have a model factory in the EU/on the continent and THAT is the big stopper for production. That is going back t your earlier comment that GW makes most things in a EU factory when they factually don't

well, since Brexit they are have no EU production any more but doing it in Europe, unless the others that are doing plastic casting in China
hence GW can adjust much faster to any changes on the market were others cannot do that as there is no possibility for a quick reaction or changes