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 kodos wrote:

 BroodSpawn wrote:

 kodos wrote:
but printing books in Poland is not making nothing in EU

The point is that GW don't have a model factory in the EU/on the continent and THAT is the big stopper for production. That is going back t your earlier comment that GW makes most things in a EU factory when they factually don't

well, since Brexit they are have no EU production any more but doing it in Europe, unless the others that are doing plastic casting in China
hence GW can adjust much faster to any changes on the market were others cannot do that as there is no possibility for a quick reaction or changes

Producing in UK isn't that much of a boon if your country have some of the most restrictive lockdown rules in the west from what I have understood. Didn't they completely close down for weeks, if not a few months, in a row last year? So even if they don't have to rely on shipping from China they are instead hampered on the production itself. Not to mention the problems with getting raw materials for them and sending products out. The new strain that was found in the UK a few months back messed up logistics even before Brexit happened. Above the normal delays due to the pandemic.

 Bosskelot wrote:
Despite the success of the Sisters release, GW are probably still really leery of releasing a Battlebox for 40k with 0 Marines in it, so I imagine they also severely underestimated demand. Plus non-Marine boxes in 40k are about 50/50 in terms of success right now. Forgebane did brilliantly (and may have influenced the Necron reboot) but BotP didn't do well.

When you look at a few of the AOS boxes and how many of them are still on sale it sort of goes to show how much bigger 40k is still.

Space Wolves vs GSC (I forget the name) was pretty easy to get a hold of for a long time. Ultramarines vs Eldar seemed to go quicker, but I don't remember it flying off the shelves. Granted, the latter only had new stuff for the GSC other than the Space Wolf HQ model and Wake the Dead had a Lieutenant(!!!) sculpt I think?

I don't think the disparity between 40k and AoS boxes selling out is that great though. Feast of Bones I remember selling out very quickly, but it seemed they quietly did a second run of it because you could find places like Element stocking it about a month later despite previously selling out in ten minutes. Sylvaneth vs Gloomspite sold quick, FEC vs Skaven was gone in a day, Sigmarines vs Nurgle didn't last too long. Aether War was around a few months if you knew where to look but went off the webstore after a couple of weeks. The only real AoS dud seems to have been Shadow & Pain and arguably the Lumineth box (which may've been a case of overproduction since it came shortly after Sisters sold out in seconds).

I'd be curious to see what percentage of this latest box were scalpers though. After the Sisters Army Box went about as quickly, I imagine a decent percentage of sales were them trying to make lightning strike twice. Dark Eldar aren't that popular and whilst the discount on the Sisters stuff is decent if you can hawk the Dark Eldar stuff, a temporarily-limited HQ isn't exactly Indomitus.

Shadow & Pain afaik got hit hard because of the pandemic. My store only got 2 copies. The two before that, aether war and feast of bones, had enough that most sold in short order but a couple hung around for a month or two. Anecdotal, but they did not seem to have issues with starter set production in the year before the pandemic.

Klickor wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 BroodSpawn wrote:

 kodos wrote:
but printing books in Poland is not making nothing in EU

The point is that GW don't have a model factory in the EU/on the continent and THAT is the big stopper for production. That is going back t your earlier comment that GW makes most things in a EU factory when they factually don't

well, since Brexit they are have no EU production any more but doing it in Europe, unless the others that are doing plastic casting in China
hence GW can adjust much faster to any changes on the market were others cannot do that as there is no possibility for a quick reaction or changes

Producing in UK isn't that much of a boon if your country have some of the most restrictive lockdown rules in the west from what I have understood. Didn't they completely close down for weeks, if not a few months, in a row last year? So even if they don't have to rely on shipping from China they are instead hampered on the production itself. Not to mention the problems with getting raw materials for them and sending products out. The new strain that was found in the UK a few months back messed up logistics even before Brexit happened. Above the normal delays due to the pandemic.

yeah, there was a shut down a year ago, if this still has an effect GW is actually in a very bad position....
raw material is a thing, as I don't know how much GW puts on stock (worth a yearly production, or less?) everything else is not an excuse why they are not making more

if they cannot make more because of what happend a year ago, their in house production would actually be a disadvantage over a chinese factory (and this is hard to believe)
not stocking enough raw material so not being able to produce more boxes, well I guess than we won't see a lot of new models anyway in the next months
not being able to ship or having problems with logistics should not change the number of sets produced

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Anecdotal, but they did not seem to have issues with starter set production in the year before the pandemic.

Hmm. Makes you wonder if there's a link between an ongoing global pandemic & current production problems?

Nah. Couldn't be.....
The LOGICAL explanation is that the eeevil toy company is intentionally under producing things just out of spite/incompetence.
Yeah, that's got to be it.

The last eldar box they did was a massive flop, that probably had something to do with their sales estimates.

yukishiro1 wrote:
The last eldar box they did was a massive flop, that probably had something to do with their sales estimates.

The last eldar box was about 50% more models but also for a price point well above 200 USD. (230 iirc). It was an important experiment because it showed GW where the ceiling is in terms of prices for box sets.

Ironically, if they released that box set NOW, alongside the Dark Eldar Codex update, it'd probably do a lot better, since it had a lot of stuff that now is quite potent or at least buffed in the new Codex.

At the time, it was released at the beginning of Psychic Awakening where we had no clue what 9th edition would really look like.

Either way, my concern is that the message that GW got from that box set is "Eldar aren't as popular as the internet seems to be whining about, so they don't need to get a big updated range"

Which of course isn't the way it works, because GW plans out these models 2-10 years in advance, so if they've updated Eldar, those models are already designed and made.

ccs wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Anecdotal, but they did not seem to have issues with starter set production in the year before the pandemic.

Hmm. Makes you wonder if there's a link between an ongoing global pandemic & current production problems?

current production problems for GW
others seem to be fine

but I guess this is the first set that was sold out in minutes and the numbers were well below demand
so it is clearly the pandemic as otherwise this would have happend to other GW products too

another point is, why should GW send stuff to local stores that sell them with discount if they can sell it for the full price directly
that GW does not give out more to vendors has nothing to do with production shortage but with wanting to sell it directly for more profit

yukishiro1 wrote:
The last eldar box they did was a massive flop, that probably had something to do with their sales estimates.

Didn't they try to sell people a Falcon in that?
If I'm thinking of the right box is flopped because the contents was absolute garbage.

Oh for sure, it was total garbage. I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if it had some effect on their forecast for this box.

yukishiro1 wrote:
The last eldar box they did was a massive flop, that probably had something to do with their sales estimates.

I doubt they had fears for this box not flying off the shelves considering they strapped wings to it in the form of a few SoB models.

They might have learned that an eldar+eldar over priced box with old unsold stock isn't selling though. One might hope.

dhallnet wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
The last eldar box they did was a massive flop, that probably had something to do with their sales estimates.

I doubt they had fears for this box not flying off the shelves considering they strapped wings to it in the form of a few SoB models.

They might have learned that an eldar+eldar over priced box with old unsold stock isn't selling though. One might hope.

Sadly the lesson from that might be that Eldar doesn't sell.
Not that Eldar need new models ><

 Ordana wrote:

dhallnet wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
The last eldar box they did was a massive flop, that probably had something to do with their sales estimates.

I doubt they had fears for this box not flying off the shelves considering they strapped wings to it in the form of a few SoB models.

They might have learned that an eldar+eldar over priced box with old unsold stock isn't selling though. One might hope.

Sadly the lesson from that might be that Eldar doesn't sell.
Not that Eldar need new models ><

I'm sure they can look at how many falcons and vyper they sell on their own and make the connection, they are cynical, not dumb. It's probably why they were in the box in the first place, with hopes of new models selling the old ones.

 kodos wrote:

ccs wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Anecdotal, but they did not seem to have issues with starter set production in the year before the pandemic.

Hmm. Makes you wonder if there's a link between an ongoing global pandemic & current production problems?

current production problems for GW
others seem to be fine

but I guess this is the first set that was sold out in minutes and the numbers were well below demand
so it is clearly the pandemic as otherwise this would have happend to other GW products too

another point is, why should GW send stuff to local stores that sell them with discount if they can sell it for the full price directly
that GW does not give out more to vendors has nothing to do with production shortage but with wanting to sell it directly for more profit

GW is out of stock of a LOT of stuff. Their other products absolutely have been hit.

 Ordana wrote:

dhallnet wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
The last eldar box they did was a massive flop, that probably had something to do with their sales estimates.

I doubt they had fears for this box not flying off the shelves considering they strapped wings to it in the form of a few SoB models.

They might have learned that an eldar+eldar over priced box with old unsold stock isn't selling though. One might hope.

Sadly the lesson from that might be that Eldar doesn't sell.
Not that Eldar need new models ><

This year they are coming.
Just gotta believe!

 Ordana wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
The last eldar box they did was a massive flop, that probably had something to do with their sales estimates.

Didn't they try to sell people a Falcon in that?
If I'm thinking of the right box is flopped because the contents was absolute garbage.

This is correct. 4 new kits and a bunch of old kits LITERALLY every eldar player already owns in spades.

Box: Doesn't Sell
GW: Surprised Pikachu Face.


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 dan2026 wrote:

 Ordana wrote:

dhallnet wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
The last eldar box they did was a massive flop, that probably had something to do with their sales estimates.

I doubt they had fears for this box not flying off the shelves considering they strapped wings to it in the form of a few SoB models.

They might have learned that an eldar+eldar over priced box with old unsold stock isn't selling though. One might hope.

Sadly the lesson from that might be that Eldar doesn't sell.
Not that Eldar need new models ><

This year they are coming.
Just gotta believe!

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GW's strange treatment of the Eldar is one of the most baffling things about Warhammer to me.
Nothing they do (or don't do) regarding them makes much sense.

They largely ignore the model range for twenty years. Most of the releases they do get are sporadic and nonsensical at best.

They keep ancient models from the 90s in production for them instead of making new ones or just removing them.
Even though most of them look embarrasingly dated.

They create the Ynarri and the next big step in their story. A fresh start even coming with some new character models...then pretty much ignore it for years. No codex, no new model range apart from the three characters. Nothing.

They release that huge campaign box packed with the same mostly ancient models, at a huge price, then presumably wonder why it doesn't sell so good.

I could go on. I think its past time for GW to gak or get off the pot with the Eldar.

 dan2026 wrote:
GW's strange treatment of the Eldar is one of the most baffling things about Warhammer to me.
Nothing they do (or don't do) regarding them makes much sense.

They largely ignore the model range for twenty years. Most of the releases they do get are sporadic and nonsensical at best.

They keep ancient models from the 90s in production for them instead of making new ones or just removing them.
Even though most of them look embarrasingly dated.

They create the Ynarri and the next big step in their story. A fresh start even coming with some new character models...then pretty much ignore it for years. No codex, no new model range apart from the three characters. Nothing.

They release that huge campaign box packed with the same mostly ancient models, at a huge price, then presumably wonder why it doesn't sell so good.

I could go on. I think its past time for GW to gak or get off the pot with the Eldar.

I almost wonder if it's because they've got Jes Goodwin on the design team being incredibly, incredibly picky about what and how they update the eldar. Basically all their rules feel like they were written by someone who is a big fan of them, but has absolutely no idea what direction the rest of the game is moving in at any given time. Like all the weird, baffling close combat oriented abilities you can choose to give your squads of Fire Dragons and Dark Reapers in the most recent update to them. it's like something you'd see from one of the hyper-grogs in the proposed rules forums, who play like twice an edition and show up with their ancient all metal eldar army and blink at you all confused when they try to do something like move an exarch away from the squad alone.

*terrified intern knocking on door*

"YES? WHAT IS IT?"

"um, jes, sir, the design team asked me to let you know, um, it's about howling banshees"

"ahhh yes, howling banshees. One of my favorites, young laddie. These terrifying warriors will cleave.....whirling....snoooooooore...."

"Um, yes, howling banshees, yes sir, we were going to update power swords to have an extra point of strength, and since the new kit is coming out..."

"Strength four? FOUR? Why they'd nearly be cleaving a terminator straight in twain with each swing! What's wrong with the stats they have now?"

"Well sir, with only strength three and only two attacks-"

"yes yes a mighty whirlwind of death. Two attacks! Each! Plus of course the extra attack from having two weapons"

"-no sir, that's not-"

"And, and young man, a parry, each!"

"-what's a parry, Jes?"

"it all just seems unreasonable to me. Harrumph. What if I give them sixteen more aspect powers, will you leave me to nap in my crumpled paper nest?"

Well, the one hope that I have is we'll see less Space Marines and more -everything else- now that the edition has begun in earnest.

The last big reveal, having not a single space marine in sight, was a great move. No Primaris Lts, no brand new Primaris 2.0 Marneus Calgar.

We have new Sisters of Battle, Admech, and even some really wild Orks coming, and that'll likely take us well into the Summer. After that, I'm hoping that we continue to see some fun new things, particularly for Eldar.

As a Sisters player, I know the pain of waiting over a decade for attention to the model range, but the wait was worth it. I can only hope the same for Eldar.

drbored wrote:
Well, the one hope that I have is we'll see less Space Marines and more -everything else- now that the edition has begun in earnest.

The last big reveal, having not a single space marine in sight, was a great move. No Primaris Lts, no brand new Primaris 2.0 Marneus Calgar.

We have new Sisters of Battle, Admech, and even some really wild Orks coming, and that'll likely take us well into the Summer. After that, I'm hoping that we continue to see some fun new things, particularly for Eldar.

As a Sisters player, I know the pain of waiting over a decade for attention to the model range, but the wait was worth it. I can only hope the same for Eldar.

Yeah that was very refreshing.
Looking forward to all the new Ork models.

If they can redo the Sisters range (and do a damn good job) they can redo the Craftworlds range.

Just to offer an alternate explanation to Eldar treatment...

Isn't an possible that, simply, the few original sculptors/authors still there have a lot of pull in the company (or in the design team)?

From my experience, people from outside tends to underestimate the importance of human relationships in the decision making process of complex companies.

Look... Dark Angels are good. You hear that? Dark Angels are good! They haven't been good... since ever! If Dark Angels can be good, then I have faith that some other factions coming up will see love. We're just being salty because the pace of releases had a big slow-down.

 Cybtroll wrote:
Just to offer an alternate explanation to Eldar treatment...

Isn't an possible that, simply, the few original sculptors/authors still there have a lot of pull in the company (or in the design team)?

From my experience, people from outside tends to underestimate the importance of human relationships in the decision making process of complex companies.

A scenario like the scotsman just drew up is entirely possible, and similar for model design.

But that doesn't make it any less of a colossal failure on GW's part.
We, the customer, don't care what their excuse is. We care that they are failing to support a faction.

 dan2026 wrote:


They create the Ynarri and the next big step in their story. A fresh start even coming with some new character models...then pretty much ignore it for years. No codex, no new model range apart from the three characters. Nothing.

I think this is the key bit.
Maybe its push-back from squatting Fantasy. Maybe its the mixed messaging the got over just the idea that old marines might get squatted. Maybe it was the change in management, or the designers convincing the new guy that no, they needed to go back to craftworlds rather than keep going in the new direction.

But I think Ynnari got hardcore derailed internally, and they had nothing to follow-up with in any direction beyond a few bare heads on the banshee sprue. And they've needed the time to sort things out.

I suspect we won't see where that process lead until next year.

One day Eldar will get their time to shine.
I still think they're cool, even if they are forgotten and unloved.

Would be a bit sad and embarrassing if after this animation comes out new people go looking for Eldar models though...

 dan2026 wrote:
One day Eldar will get their time to shine.
I still think they're cool, even if they are forgotten and unloved.

Would be a bit sad and embarrassing if after this animation comes out new people go looking for Eldar models though...

Spoiler:

IKR.

I can't believe they have an avatar killing a dreadnought - kind of expecting it to be taken down by a scout in the next frame....

 dan2026 wrote:
One day Eldar will get their time to shine.
I still think they're cool, even if they are forgotten and unloved.

Would be a bit sad and embarrassing if after this animation comes out new people go looking for Eldar models though...

Spoiler:

This looks cool- I don't remember seeing it before. I always figured Scorpions would be the next plastic Aspect, just because they are playable in both Kill Team and 40k, just like the other two plastic Aspects. Not that the animation is any guarantee, but it looks like an attempt to generate interest, so who knows? Nice to see the Avatar in there.

All I know is I placed another order with Mierce for some stuff I'm unlikely to play with and I'm also gathering the courage to look into getting some rules/lore for inffinity... My 40k interest is drying up faster than a heretic corpse scourged by holy fire.

 Hellebore wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
One day Eldar will get their time to shine.
I still think they're cool, even if they are forgotten and unloved.

Would be a bit sad and embarrassing if after this animation comes out new people go looking for Eldar models though...

Spoiler:

IKR.

I can't believe they have an avatar killing a dreadnought - kind of expecting it to be taken down by a scout in the next frame....

An Avatar should slice through a Dreadnought like paper, same as a Bloodthirster would.

 Yarium wrote:
Look... Dark Angels are good. You hear that? Dark Angels are good! They haven't been good... since ever! If Dark Angels can be good, then I have faith that some other factions coming up will see love. We're just being salty because the pace of releases had a big slow-down.

You don't want to bring Dark Angels in this discussion

They are still stuck with metal models, and if GW's favourite sons are still in metal you don't get much confidence that they will consider xenos being in failcast a real issue