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The idea TOW would be a smaller scale was baseless and bonkers when it was posited in the earlier thread. Nothing has changed.

That Spikeybits have read that thread and mined it for the cause of the most fractious bickering does not make it a ‘rumour’ from any ‘industry insider’ in the slightest. It’s click bait, and as someone upthread said, it’s worked.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
The idea TOW would be a smaller scale was baseless and bonkers when it was posited in the earlier thread. Nothing has changed.

That Spikeybits have read that thread and mined it for the cause of the most fractious bickering does not make it a ‘rumour’ from any ‘industry insider’ in the slightest. It’s click bait, and as someone upthread said, it’s worked.

It doesn't even seem to be a rumour specifically about it being smaller scale. It's that they "heard" of a rumour from an "industry insider" who has supposedly said there are "signs" it might be a different scale, followed by the rest of the article appearing to be mostly just what they (the site) think implies it might be a smaller scale - so it doesn't sound like what's actually been told to them, just speculation to find something to fit in with the idea.

And it seems that their reasoning for thinking it'll be a different scale involves...

Square bases can fit different scales of miniatures

Bretonnia and Kislev had Warmaster miniatures

TOW is supposedly a smaller game

GW apparently doesn't like to make games that feel familiar (So i guess Necromunda, Aeronautica Imperialis and Titanicus didn't happen?)

Nonsense about GW apparantly wanting to "control their IP" so heavily that they don't like the idea of normal-scale Kislev and Bretonnia anymore because they're similar to historical Miniatures

Total War Warhammer is a thing

Something about the Horus Heresy being based on W40K, but is now outdated so doesn't play much like 40K, so TOW will have to be different from AoS?

Warmaster also had bears

"We don't really know"

So....it seems nothing of substance.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
The idea TOW would be a smaller scale was baseless and bonkers when it was posited in the earlier thread. Nothing has changed.

That Spikeybits have read that thread and mined it for the cause of the most fractious bickering does not make it a ‘rumour’ from any ‘industry insider’ in the slightest. It’s click bait, and as someone upthread said, it’s worked.

I don't think it was ever posited that TOW "would" be a smaller scale, it was just brought up that it'd be cool if it was a smaller scale since it'd fix one of the problems with WHFB where the game was growing in scale of number of models to the point of being impractical in 28mm.

It's essentially wishlisting. I'd love for TOW to be a warmaster replacement, but there is exactly 1% chance of that happening and 99% chance of it being rank and file 28mm mess.

It could happen, it isn't preposterous, but there's no evidence for it beyond speculation and you can easily speculate both for and against it. GW themselves probably haven't decided yet, given that we got full news articles for "We have a logo" and "It's going to have Kislev"

Spikey Bits is trash first off.

Secondly I always love it when people complain about Grognards without any sort of irony.

Billicus wrote:
It could happen, it isn't preposterous, but there's no evidence for it beyond speculation and you can easily speculate both for and against it. GW themselves probably haven't decided yet, given that we got full news articles for "We have a logo" and "It's going to have Kislev"

Fairly certain they have considering the very first anything for it was them teasing a return of a square based game with an image of an old WHFB base.

Billicus wrote:
It could happen, it isn't preposterous, but there's no evidence for it beyond speculation and you can easily speculate both for and against it. GW themselves probably haven't decided yet, given that we got full news articles for "We have a logo" and "It's going to have Kislev"

The idea that Games Workshop basically just went "Maybe we should do something with the WHFB setting again? No idea what but lets tell people anyway, we'll figure out what to actually do later" just seems utterly absurd. Committing to a large project without any indication at all about which direction to go in would be an absolutely terrible idea, of course they have some idea of what the fundamentals of it will, they can't just make it all up as they go without planning ahead.

Billicus wrote:
GW themselves probably haven't decided yet

Literally the decision of how big the miniatures are going to be in a ressurection of a game is one of the first decisions they had made. There is just no other way.

Also this rumour is not preposterous. There is lots and lots of old miniatures on the market and in people's basement for WFB. Making the game smaller like 15mm or 20mm is a logical marketing decision.

The only real argument against making smaller scale of miniatures is "I have entire contingents of old WFB armies and i want to use them. If i will not be able to use them i will be very angry". This is practically the only true argument against such decision.

Let the hate begin.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Billicus wrote:
It could happen, it isn't preposterous, but there's no evidence for it beyond speculation and you can easily speculate both for and against it. GW themselves probably haven't decided yet, given that we got full news articles for "We have a logo" and "It's going to have Kislev"

The idea that Games Workshop basically just went "Maybe we should do something with the WHFB setting again? No idea what but lets tell people anyway, we'll figure out what to actually do later" just seems utterly absurd. Committing to a large project without any indication at all about which direction to go in would be an absolutely terrible idea, of course they have some idea of what the fundamentals of it will, they can't just make it all up as they go without planning ahead.

But they literally told us that's what they did.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Billicus wrote:
It could happen, it isn't preposterous, but there's no evidence for it beyond speculation and you can easily speculate both for and against it. GW themselves probably haven't decided yet, given that we got full news articles for "We have a logo" and "It's going to have Kislev"

The idea that Games Workshop basically just went "Maybe we should do something with the WHFB setting again? No idea what but lets tell people anyway, we'll figure out what to actually do later" just seems utterly absurd. Committing to a large project without any indication at all about which direction to go in would be an absolutely terrible idea, of course they have some idea of what the fundamentals of it will, they can't just make it all up as they go without planning ahead.

But they literally told us that's what they did.

It isn't. They announced The Old World before having done much progress with it, with the intention of showing us the project as it develops. That isn't the same as having absolutely no plan at all and no idea what they're even doing in the first place, to the point they don't even know whether it's going to be a Warmaster or WHFB scale game, both of which would require very different things to do.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Billicus wrote:
It could happen, it isn't preposterous, but there's no evidence for it beyond speculation and you can easily speculate both for and against it. GW themselves probably haven't decided yet, given that we got full news articles for "We have a logo" and "It's going to have Kislev"

The idea that Games Workshop basically just went "Maybe we should do something with the WHFB setting again? No idea what but lets tell people anyway, we'll figure out what to actually do later" just seems utterly absurd. Committing to a large project without any indication at all about which direction to go in would be an absolutely terrible idea, of course they have some idea of what the fundamentals of it will, they can't just make it all up as they go without planning ahead.

GW by the now know how to keep people within their Bubble
so just droping something from time to time to keep people talking and waiting because there might be anything in the future which prevents them from wandering away

and this is the whole point, as GW does not want to show you anything before release because they don't want you to save money for it but spend the money now on something different (and than again for the stuff you really wanted)
but they also don't want you to spend the money somewhere else, and showing an empty square base es enough for the majority to stop giving money to others but wait for GW

Yes, it was transparently an attempt to steal mindshare from Kings of War 3rd edition by announcing something, anything, regardless of how far off.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
The idea TOW would be a smaller scale was baseless and bonkers when it was posited in the earlier thread. Nothing has changed.

That Spikeybits have read that thread and mined it for the cause of the most fractious bickering does not make it a ‘rumour’ from any ‘industry insider’ in the slightest. It’s click bait, and as someone upthread said, it’s worked.

I don't think it was ever posited that TOW "would" be a smaller scale, it was just brought up that it'd be cool if it was a smaller scale since it'd fix one of the problems with WHFB where the game was growing in scale of number of models to the point of being impractical in 28mm.

Oh indeed. But people took it and ran with it despite zero evidence. And this article and thread are an extension of that. Even though there’s zero chance it will come to pass.


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Cronch wrote:
It's essentially wishlisting. I'd love for TOW to be a warmaster replacement, but there is exactly 1% chance of that happening and 99% chance of it being rank and file 28mm mess.

100% this. If anything, minis will be current embiggened scale. 0% chance of a whole new scale.

"Might not be 28mm"?
Lol.
Well of course it won't be 28mm. What's GW's scale now? 35mm? It had been 32mm for ages but has crept up again.

Is LotR still 28mm (and called 25mm)?

Cronch wrote:
It's essentially wishlisting. I'd love for TOW to be a warmaster replacement, but there is exactly 1% chance of that happening and 99% chance of it being rank and file 28mm mess.

I wouldn't say 99%.

A rank and file game is either a lot of work to build from the ground up, or not going to sell brilliantly if they just recycle old models, many of which were well due for a refresh anyway.

At this point I don't think we know with any assurance what we'll be getting. It might just be like Mordheim, that had square bases after all, lol.

Is this thread really necessary?
Not only do we have a dedicated Old World thread already, all of these exact same points have been argued within it months ago (probably by the exact same people). We can keep throwing the same arguments about cost, reusability of miniatures, game size and bases back and forth another 100 times, but the simple fact is that we're currently just waiting for more info, and this "article" isn't it. As already established in the first posts of this thread, Spikeybits doesn't qualify as news and I'd struggle to dare call it a rumour. It's baseless, barely coherent junk.

It will be 28mm. The DOC line will be useable in all 4 games. 40k AOS HH WOW

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Is this thread really necessary?
Not only do we have a dedicated Old World thread already, all of these exact same points have been argued within it months ago (probably by the exact same people). We can keep throwing the same arguments about cost, reusability of miniatures, game size and bases back and forth another 100 times, but the simple fact is that we're currently just waiting for more info, and this "article" isn't it. As already established in the first posts of this thread, Spikeybits doesn't qualify as news and I'd struggle to dare call it a rumour. It's baseless, barely coherent junk.

Agreed. First post should have been added there in the first place. Or ignored completely as where it came from

Wow, what a thread....


The "Oldworld" is going to be the same scale as AOS. You heard it here first.

No comment on Spiky bits. watched a couple of his shows and he seemed like kind of a douche, but not really anyone to pee on his leg.

Think about it, all the tooling, all the figures in the ranges, all the armies... and you think they are going to go back to 28mm?

(I've been pricing figs myself- do you know how much tooling and design of the molds costs?)

And if this IS coming from "Spiky Bits", send him my way and I will set him straight.

To be clear, these figures are in the 32mm range. and Industry standards are increasing to "Old School GW Heroic Scale 28"- which is 32mm. NOW, with companies keeping up with the industry lead, they are going to go the same route, and some are even scaling up to 35mm.

Industry follows the leader, and the leader right now is 32mm. One for the obvious- to make your product different then the rest of the kids, the second- because of the quality of sculpts that GW is attaining, and no one else is doing it in the same way.

Remember the conversation we had back when GW decided to Pee on the fans and arbitrarily pulled Fantasy?
We called it. It isn't that much of a shocker.

You want to know what the shocker is? It will be the sticker price...
Look at the "New" warhammer quest game. THAT is your scale for the new fantasy...


Prices too, because....