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At least it means that this look at the Exodites will be official, and created by GW.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The silver lining is that GW even 6 years ago would have just killed them. Even a Tau-esque 'Join us... or die!' approach is preferable to that. That's why I suspect that the 'offer he couldn't refuse' story is the most likely. Not because I have any 'proof', but because an entity like GW doesn't just do this out of the kindness of their corporate hearts. They did this to maintain control, and if in doing so they can avoid destroying 4 people, then that's all the better* for those people and the people who like their stuff.

This.

Of all the potential ways this could have turned out from the very moment official GW entities started pointing people at the project this is probably the very best outcome we could have hoped for. Honestly it almost feels unrealistically good. The status quo is a C&D, but they could have just as easily gone the Disney route and just used it for their own promotional material and dared him to do anything about it.

So, after having watched the Astartes version on warhammer community I'll have to ask... what was the fuzz at the start of that thread about? It's been a while since I watched the original, but I couldn't spot any difference...

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
So, after having watched the Astartes version on warhammer community I'll have to ask... what was the fuzz at the start of that thread about? It's been a while since I watched the original, but I couldn't spot any difference...

They added some music and changed some of the sound effects. I noticed particularly during the period during the second episode where the sniper/autocannon is setting up. That scene used to be silent apart from gunshots and then it had that lovely trade of gunfire after which the music kicked in in an up tempo, but now it just sort of slowly slides in with a more muted version.

https://youtu.be/O7hgjuFfn3A?t=163

When the landing craft is going in there was no music so you were left with just the sounds of the missiles, guns, and explosions.

I think the original was superior sound design for the most part. As a cohesive piece it didn't work the best so I think they tried to unify it with the changes they made and messed it up a bit.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
So, after having watched the Astartes version on warhammer community I'll have to ask... what was the fuzz at the start of that thread about? It's been a while since I watched the original, but I couldn't spot any difference...

They added some music and changed some of the sound effects. I noticed particularly during the period during the second episode where the sniper/autocannon is setting up. That scene used to be silent apart from gunshots and then it had that lovely trade of gunfire after which the music kicked in in an up tempo, but now it just sort of slowly slides in with a more muted version.

https://youtu.be/O7hgjuFfn3A?t=163

When the landing craft is going in there was no music so you were left with just the sounds of the missiles, guns, and explosions.

I think the original was superior sound design for the most part. As a cohesive piece it didn't work the best so I think they tried to unify it with the changes they made and messed it up a bit.

the biggest change is the end scene music IMO, it completely changes the tone and completely gets rid of the rhytmic "thump" of the squad being teleported on the pillars.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
So, after having watched the Astartes version on warhammer community I'll have to ask... what was the fuzz at the start of that thread about? It's been a while since I watched the original, but I couldn't spot any difference...

They added some music and changed some of the sound effects. I noticed particularly during the period during the second episode where the sniper/autocannon is setting up. That scene used to be silent apart from gunshots and then it had that lovely trade of gunfire after which the music kicked in in an up tempo, but now it just sort of slowly slides in with a more muted version.

https://youtu.be/O7hgjuFfn3A?t=163

When the landing craft is going in there was no music so you were left with just the sounds of the missiles, guns, and explosions.

I think the original was superior sound design for the most part. As a cohesive piece it didn't work the best so I think they tried to unify it with the changes they made and messed it up a bit.

Hmm, okay. I mean I realized that there was music all the time now, but it was very close to the (hardly used) original music, no?

Edit: I get that there are some subtle changes but reading " they've added SFX and music and ruined the entire thing" seems to be an extreme hyperbole even for dakka...

Sgt. Cortez wrote:


Hmm, okay. I mean I realized that there was music all the time now, but it was very close to the (hardly used) original music, no?

Edit: I get that there are some subtle changes but reading " they've added SFX and music and ruined the entire thing" seems to be an extreme hyperbole even for dakka...

I mean, most people aren't saying that, only very vocal posters decided to go super hard on the change and tear the creator a new one

Not a fan of art projects being under the thumb of a cooperation that has a vested interest in controlling what the art is expressing. While Astartes has not done anything I would consider harmful to the brand. It always put into question whether or not the content being produced is being censored through cooperate decision or being used to push a marketing angle. Still if the creator of the project wants to work with GW then that is great but there is always that concern that maybe GW hinted at legal action as a means to gain control of the content.

While much more of a parody, something like If the Emperor had a Text to Speech Device would not do well if GW was allowed to have any creative control over what they put in those videos.

 Vankraken wrote:
Not a fan of art projects being under the thumb of a cooperation that has a vested interest in controlling what the art is expressing. While Astartes has not done anything I would consider harmful to the brand. It always put into question whether or not the content being produced is being censored through cooperate decision or being used to push a marketing angle. Still if the creator of the project wants to work with GW then that is great but there is always that concern that maybe GW hinted at legal action as a means to gain control of the content.

While much more of a parody, something like If the Emperor had a Text to Speech Device would not do well if GW was allowed to have any creative control over what they put in those videos.

If that were the case though why would they release the original ( edited only in sound )?

That's the biggest win for me - GW is willing to embrace that though they may get into trouble with the kids stumble upon it.

TtSD is a whole other level of debauchery that doesn't really represent what Warhammer is about - it just takes place in the universe.

About the only TTS gag I could see GW embracing wholeheartedly is the Les Mis parody that did not last nearly long enough.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Vankraken wrote:
Not a fan of art projects being under the thumb of a cooperation that has a vested interest in controlling what the art is expressing. While Astartes has not done anything I would consider harmful to the brand. It always put into question whether or not the content being produced is being censored through cooperate decision or being used to push a marketing angle. Still if the creator of the project wants to work with GW then that is great but there is always that concern that maybe GW hinted at legal action as a means to gain control of the content.

While much more of a parody, something like If the Emperor had a Text to Speech Device would not do well if GW was allowed to have any creative control over what they put in those videos.

If that were the case though why would they release the original ( edited only in sound )?

That's the biggest win for me - GW is willing to embrace that though they may get into trouble with the kids stumble upon it.

TtSD is a whole other level of debauchery that doesn't really represent what Warhammer is about - it just takes place in the universe.

Like I said, the Astartes videos didn't really do anything to harm the brand so there wasn't any reason for GW make any changes (no clue why they made the audio edits, not really something I would be concerned about). The concern is that what follows might be influenced by what GW wants included/excluded instead of what the artist is wanting to convey.

Thought the Astartes vid was fantastic - gave him some money - not a lot but some.

Happy to see him doing more.

Kinda it for me.

This is in a world where someone got 80 million quid for the digital ownership of a work of art that is also freely available......

No GW apologist, but it seems everyone here has done the sensible thing. GW had to protect their IP, so they spoke to the guy. The fact they didn't just C&D the creator shows some outside the box thinking on their part, relative to their usual behaviour when it comes to copyright. The creator in turn then chose to keep doing what he's clearly extremely passionate about rather than be forced to stop entirely. Probably lost the big patreon money and some creative freedom, but he made his call. I suppose it's a shame for fans potentially because everything GW does ends up being a monkey's paw situation, but I suppose it's better than no Astartes style projects at all.

 Banzaimash wrote:
No GW apologist, but it seems everyone here has done the sensible thing. GW had to protect their IP, so they spoke to the guy. The fact they didn't just C&D the creator shows some outside the box thinking on their part, relative to their usual behaviour when it comes to copyright. The creator in turn then chose to keep doing what he's clearly extremely passionate about rather than be forced to stop entirely. Probably lost the big patreon money and some creative freedom, but he made his call. I suppose it's a shame for fans potentially because everything GW does ends up being a monkey's paw situation, but I suppose it's better than no Astartes style projects at all.

Eh, if it just ends up shilling Primaris, and we get creative dictates like "no non-Astartes can be depicted defeating an Astartes in combat" then I'd rather they just not do it.

Yeah, can't stand seeing Primaris shoved in everywhere. As I said, it's just a situation where everybody has acted rationally, yet somehow I feel GW will still feth this up - they almost always do.

I do believe that some of the fears of Primaris being crammed in these projects is a little overblown.

Remember; Angels of Death is another animated project in production, and we haven't seen Primaris pop up in images for that show. If Primaris were going to be crammed inside of these films, we would've seen it in the earlier reveals.

Guy makes a video showing Space Marines being awsome and blowing away everything in their path.

GW - 'By Jove! What a completely original take on our source material! We can't believe this idea has never been expressed before anywhere in any of our products, rules, books, or advertising material. Hire that man at once!'

This is also of interest to any animator, really.

I mean, you can be as competent as an amateur (as in, not being paid to do it, rather than skill level) as you want. Which is what we’ve seen with Astartes.

But GW have shown themselves to be willing to take you pro, rather than shut you down for IP infringement.

That’s more akin to the Talent Scout fairytale at a gig than some monstrous corporate entity, no?




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 Segersgia wrote:
I do believe that some of the fears of Primaris being crammed in these projects is a little overblown.

Remember; Angels of Death is another animated project in production, and we haven't seen Primaris pop up in images for that show. If Primaris were going to be crammed inside of these films, we would've seen it in the earlier reveals.

And so what if they do?

Whether folk like it or not, Primaris are Marines, and they’re here to stay. They’re not gonna be retconned out. They’re not gonna be viewed as The Kid’s Option.

Seriously. So what if they do become Primaris? What is the actually impact, other than wannabe gate keepers getting their nose out of joint because the company behind the thing they’re gate keeping utterly ignores their futile attempts at gate keeping a property which isn’t theirs to gate keep in the first place?

Hecaton wrote:

 Banzaimash wrote:
No GW apologist, but it seems everyone here has done the sensible thing. GW had to protect their IP, so they spoke to the guy. The fact they didn't just C&D the creator shows some outside the box thinking on their part, relative to their usual behaviour when it comes to copyright. The creator in turn then chose to keep doing what he's clearly extremely passionate about rather than be forced to stop entirely. Probably lost the big patreon money and some creative freedom, but he made his call. I suppose it's a shame for fans potentially because everything GW does ends up being a monkey's paw situation, but I suppose it's better than no Astartes style projects at all.

Eh, if it just ends up shilling Primaris, and we get creative dictates like "no non-Astartes can be depicted defeating an Astartes in combat" then I'd rather they just not do it.

I mean that second one won't be a problem for the creator of Astartes at least....

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seriously. So what if they do become Primaris? What is the actually impact, other than wannabe gate keepers getting their nose out of joint because the company behind the thing they’re gate keeping utterly ignores their futile attempts at gate keeping a property which isn’t theirs to gate keep in the first place?

Yeah I'm not sure either what's the big issue if he animates primaris marines instead of first born outside of "I don't like primaris stuff".
You could replace the 5 marines from Astartes by 5 intercessors and it wouldn't change anything outside of having to modify the intro where it is stated when the story takes place.