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**Voss**

Da Butcha wrote:
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It's also not either/or. GW could still produce new ork sculpts as well as revamp old ork units with new sculpts.

Very true. So its a little early to get worked up about the idea that they might not be doing exactly that.

**Danny76**

Morghot wrote:
Da Butcha wrote:
I'm just incredibly disappointed and a bit worried about the Ork releases, despite really liking the model.

We get at least one cool new plastic model.

Did we get the plastic deffkoptas that have been unavailable since AOBR? No.
Did we get plastic tankbustas? No.
Did we get plastic lootas? No.
Did we get a plastic weirboy? No.

The basic, core army stuff that should be getting produced in plastic, that ork players would order en masse, did not get produced.

Instead, we get a (very cool) squig-riding ork.

And we get told that Beast Snaggas, which haven't been mentioned before, are the biggest and toughest in any clan they are in. Which contradicts fluff since 3rd edition that orks grow from boys, to skarboys, to nobs, to Warbosses. We get told that clans that are obsessed with vehicles, like the Evil Suns, have guys who prefer to ride squigs. Not just any guys, but the biggest ones. We've been told, since at least 2nd edition, that Orks have an innate understanding of technology, and, since at least 3rd edition, that as their tribe grows, they develop that technology forward, abandoning a lot of primitive stuff and developing vehicles and guns, etc. This has been a major facet of GW lore from an entire series (The Beast Arises). We learn that Feral Orks, which have been a thing since the 3rd edition Codex, aren't this phase that isolated ork klans go through, but are, in fact, the biggest and toughest orks.

I may be over-reacting, but it sounds so much like the Ork version of Primaris Marines. "We don't want to develop the current range any longer, despite it being very popular and long-lived, with huge amounts of compatibility and cross-modeling potential. So here are entirely new models, in a slightly different scale and not easily compatible. This subfaction has always existed, but just now showed up, and is superior, stat-wise, to your entire old faction. We aren't retiring that old faction, but, guess what? We aren't doing anything more to support it. Enjoy!"

Maybe I am wrong entirely. I do like the model!

Sadly i have exactly your feeling, happy to see new orks, also quite nice for me, but worried. And i really dont understand why they dont update some old (some very very old) kit instead of adding only... with necron they have done a WONDERFUL job: old units redone, new units added. Perfect. I was expecting same for greenskins honestly . And i would expect that also for poor imperial guard and eldar.

I wouldn’t ever expect another overhaul like Necrons.
They’re the poster enemy for the edition which is the only reason they got that.
Like Death Guard in 8th.

The only reason sisters got so much is because it was new bringing them back and doing that ‘follow along’ project.

**MajorWesJanson**

Looking at AdMech, there is potential for major kit releases for an army not tied to the codex.

**A.T.**

Mentlegen324 wrote:
I feel like the castigator Tank doesn't go quite far enough with its differences to the Predator tank. Would have been better with a more noticeable changes outside of the different gun and front mounted heavy bolter.

Agreed. It feels like it needs at least one thing to differentiate it from a basic kitbash, be that a different design of sponsors or a more distinct gun (such as a giant crossbow rather than a predator turret).

**Kid_Kyoto**

A.T. wrote:
Mentlegen324 wrote:
I feel like the castigator Tank doesn't go quite far enough with its differences to the Predator tank. Would have been better with a more noticeable changes outside of the different gun and front mounted heavy bolter.
Agreed. It feels like it needs at least one thing to differentiate it from a basic kitbash, be that a different design of sponsors or a more distinct gun (such as a giant crossbow rather than a predator turret).

And a catapult artillery version?

Maybe a sonic church bell cannon or spring-loaded steeple that impales folks?

Perfectly cromulant tank but nothing to get excited about I think is the bottom line. I love my silliness but there's a limit.

That being said, now I want a ballista/catapult tank kit.

**H.B.M.C.**

Daedalus81 wrote:
Would they though?

Yes. Put out plastic replacements for old resin kits and they would be purchased. I cannot believe that anyone would think otherwise.

**drbored**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Looking at AdMech, there is potential for major kit releases for an army not tied to the codex.

We've seen this a few times now. In the current Lumineth release that's coming next week, you can EITHER buy the new battletome or just buy the Broken Realms: Teclis book and you'll have the rules for all the new units.

While I'm not excited by the prospect of buying new books or replacing old ones when a lot of this could be digital, it's very clear that GW are comfortable releasing waves of models for a faction outside of a codex, as long as there's some form of book involved, be it campaign or otherwise.

As it is, it's pretty clear what we have to expect moving forward.

Lumineth
Admech
Be'Lakor/Cursed City
Sisters of Battle
Vampires/Kragnos
Orks

Those might be shuffled around a bit, but that's quite a lot to look forward to over the next couple months. And not a single space marine in sight.

Also, though I'm not a fan of the Orks, it's pretty impressive. Between Gloomspite Gitz, Orruks, and the new 40k Orks, there's never been a better time to kitbash stuff together.

**Daedalus81**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
Would they though?
Yes. Put out plastic replacements for old resin kits and they would be purchased. I cannot believe that anyone would think otherwise.

Resin stuff, I guess maybe. I sprung for the AoS shaman for a weirdboy a while ago.

**Jidmah**

Daedalus81 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
Would they though?
Yes. Put out plastic replacements for old resin kits and they would be purchased. I cannot believe that anyone would think otherwise.

Resin stuff, I guess maybe. I sprung for the AoS shaman for a weirdboy a while ago.

I don't see a reason to replace any of my metal characters either... orks just don't suffer from the same aesthetic problems eldar or humans do.

**H.B.M.C.**

Daedalus81 wrote:
Resin stuff, I guess maybe. I sprung for the AoS shaman for a weirdboy a while ago.

And I avoid metal/resin releases like the plague.

You put Tankbusters out in plastic and I'll be lining up for them.

**jivardi**

My criticism with the new Blood Knights? The paint job. They just aren't BLOOD RED enough.

If only I could convince the gaming group to get into AoS.

**Voss**

jivardi wrote:
My criticism with the new Blood Knights? The paint job. They just aren't BLOOD RED enough.

It is a bit 'primary colors' red, as if they were aiming for the worst excesses of 2nd edition 40k color schemes, isn't it?
I think it clashes a lot with the horses, which have far more muted tones.

**Nurglitch**

I thought you could make Tankbustas using the current Boyz kit. They have Tankbusta bombs and if not everything at least the rules support weird legacy misfires like the Bombsquig.

**jivardi**

Orks on Squigs in AoS? Badass.

Orks on squigs in 40k? Even more badass.

If Power Armored werewolves can ride on giant wolves it's only fitting orks can ride on squigs.

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Voss wrote:
jivardi wrote:
My criticism with the new Blood Knights? The paint job. They just aren't BLOOD RED enough.

It is a bit 'primary colors' red, as if they were aiming for the worst excesses of 2nd edition 40k color schemes, isn't it?
I think it clashes a lot with the horses, which have far more muted tones.

Yeah. I never picture Vampires wearing bright red. I mean I know Vampires THINK they are royalty (and to be fair some are) but of all the shades of red in the Citadel line the 'eavy metal team uses some of the brightest colors. LOL.

I have a Khador army that is more of a burgundy red in color and that's more how I think Blood Knights should look. But that's my taste and opinion. Obviously somebody out there is going to like the Blood Angels Red color.

**drbored**

jivardi wrote:
Orks on Squigs in AoS? Badass.

Orks on squigs in 40k? Even more badass.

If Power Armored werewolves can ride on giant wolves it's only fitting orks can ride on squigs.

Totally. And if someone doesn't like the squigs, just convert some Gore-Gruntas or Boarboys instead.

Similarly, if you want some squig pigs in AoS, these new snagga boys should make for easy conversions in the other direction too.

**jivardi**

I might have to start Orks when these dudes come out. Not that I need a 5th army but what the hell, eh?

**MajorWesJanson**

I think they are intended to stand out against the horse so all the armor doesn't blend together like on the old version pictures

**Argive**

I think the new vampires, and particularly the Bloodknights are really smashing it out the ballpark!

I've had zero draw towards AOS but the new vampires retaining their aesthetic without going full AOS is really impressive. That bat beast thing(new varghulf ?) and now the Blood Knights in particular are simply amazing. Might tempt me to dip a toe..

**Skywave**

I really love the new Blood Knights! I don't play any Fantasy system anymore, but I still have a deep love for the old Warhammer and still have all my (rather large) armies and I'm super tempted to get those Vampires! Also I really love the Fell Bats, really cool regular update (no new silly name either) and definitely interested to add them too!

The Tank is pretty decent to me. I mean more Imperium release is boring but whatever, I kinda like the design in general.

The Ork though I do not understand. Not a fan of the model so far (the angle is meh, so maybe it'll grow on me later in 360), but that's a lesser concern. I'm more puzzled as to why add more to the range when there's quite a few things to upgrades still? I'm not familiar with the Orks playerbase but where they dying to see new units added to those existing? Was there something utterly missing from the current choices that it's about time it get filled?

Dark Eldar get a measly special character in a versus box as their single release, and still need a lot of stuff ported to plastic. I think all armies should at least get a non-character unit redone in plastic when a book is release instead adding units to random armies.

**Sgt. Cortez**

Skywave wrote:

The Ork though I do not understand. Not a fan of the model so far (the angle is meh, so maybe it'll grow on me later in 360), but that's a lesser concern. I'm more puzzled as to why add more to the range when there's quite a few things to upgrades still? I'm not familiar with the Orks playerbase but where they dying to see new units added to those existing? Was there something utterly missing from the current choices that it's about time it get filled?

As someone who is starting a Snakebites army I'd have to say yes. Right now there's really nothing in the Codex that actually fits specifically for Snakebites. All the other Klans have their special units, Snakebites are merely a paintjob and the Squigbuggy. They had boarboys in earlier editions (their signature unit I'd say) so these Squigriders are a throwback to those. Not saying plastic Tankbustas and Kommandoz wouldn't be more useful for the army overall, but they're throwing a bone to the one Klan that has been forgotten for years.

**MajorWesJanson**

I'm not expecting it, but a full size squiggoth would be an awesome centerpiece for these feral orks.

**Hollow**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'm not expecting it, but a full size squiggoth would be an awesome centerpiece for these feral orks.

I think we might be surprised at how much they may explore with these Greenskins. As others have mentioned the Orks have a pretty extensive lineup already focused on the mech side of things. I could easily see them and the design studio getting fired up around the idea of beast hunting savage-like Orks for 40k. A lot of room for creativity. I'd really like GW to go down this route for 40k. Exploring aspects that we know a bit about but would be greatly expanded. I'd love to see a full Exodite army or One of the Many races under the Greater-Good be explored. The same with Imperial Guard, explore the different types. New stuff playing on older ideas that haven't yet been given a lot of time or effort. I'm totally for the updating of kits, but there also needs to be fresh takes.

**AllSeeingSkink**

Mr_Rose wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
JSG wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
Unpopular opinion: the squig rider is a pretty bad sculpt. Dreadfully boring pose, complete lack of personality in the ork and squig (there's maybe a bit in the grot), oddly chunky parts...

Looks like someone loaded up a bunch of assets from a library and rotated the joints the minimum required to get something they could call a "pose" and called it a day.

Some models really suffer from GW evidently hiring from... whereever it is they teach how to push pixels around, instead of from an art school.

You think they teach you how to pose figures in art school?

Seems like a critical thing to learn? Maybe you were just hungover on the day they taught that?

Art school exists to teach artists the technical and historical parts of the field, and to encourage collaboration and networking. They expect the applicant to bring the creativity with them, for some reason.

Posing figures seems like a pretty technical and historical thing rather than a creative thing. Like, "this is how joints and muscles work", and "this is how you convey a feeling with a pose".

I never went to art school, but I still remember in my Renaissance Italy History class being told how the artists of the time used poses in various paintings and sculptures to evoke power, submission, energy, lethargy, etc etc. Like Michelangelo's David in a contrapposto pose.

**deffrekka**

Tiberius501 wrote:
vim_the_good wrote:
Is that some kind of feral ork sled being pulled by some "ox" squigs? Here's me just taking a look at my ork collection yesterday as well. Very excited.

All the heavy weapons seem to be shoulder mounted. I hope that means a Boyz box redesign.

Love the grot turret on the new war boss.

I agree. I feel incredibly lucky from this preview. Not only am I looking forward to expanding my army of Lumineth (new wave going up for pre-order next week), I’m also getting a 9th Ed AdMech book next month, and my sad little Ork collection is about to get a huge new update!

I need more money...

Im in the same boat (except the Lumineth). Ive been wanting my Admech and Orks to get some love and Im glad that they finally are. I love the idea of more Squig themed units and the Marshall (Should of Been Alpha Primus...), and ive been waiting for a new updated Codex for so long. Sure I feel sad about Dark Eldar, but I sold my Dark Eldar last year so my wallet isnt that sad.

**Kanluwen**

I'm 100% okay with them giving the Skitarii a new name. "Alpha" or "Alpha Primus" are great from a lore bit, buuuuuut...it feels all "samey" in context of the Skitarii at large.

**A.T.**

Kanluwen wrote:
I'm 100% okay with them giving the Skitarii a new name. "Alpha" or "Alpha Primus" are great from a lore bit, buuuuuut...it feels all "samey" in context of the Skitarii at large.

At this point it's just nice to see an HQ unit for the Skitarii after 6 years.

Hopefully they don't have 'sister of battle syndrone' with their equipment options.

**Tastyfish**

A.T. wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
I'm 100% okay with them giving the Skitarii a new name. "Alpha" or "Alpha Primus" are great from a lore bit, buuuuuut...it feels all "samey" in context of the Skitarii at large.
At this point it's just nice to see an HQ unit for the Skitarii after 6 years.

Hopefully they don't have 'sister of battle syndrone' with their equipment options.

I'm 90% sure that it only has the one set of weapons. Serpenta and control rod are mentioned in the video aren't they (or at least when they were talking about the video). Pretty sure we'd have heard that there were alternative loadouts or a way of customising them if there was.

**Kanluwen**

Not necessarily. We do not always see alternate builds right off the bat.

**Tastyfish**

Kanluwen wrote:
Not necessarily. We do not always see alternate builds right off the bat.

Hence that 10%...

**Ghaz**

I could see an option to replace the phosphor serpenta with any of a variety of Pistol weapons, but I feel that he'll keep the control stave regardless.