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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
He loves bringing up Deathwatch again and again like it makes any difference (or has any bearing) to what's happening now.

Yeah, saying Deathwatch have existed for decades (as a codex) is a Trumpian stretch / break of the truth. They didn't have a 3rd edition codex like Daemonhunters and Witchhunters, though even those aren't old enough to be decades old.

If you know someone is posting poor quality arguments, just put them on ignore and move on.

I'm looking forward to base ap2 taser lances, as well as the assault cognis lascannons. I have been making great use of stratoraptors and dragoons, so this is just a buff assuming points don't go up too much. I might even consider some Ballistarius for those sweet 6 autocannon shots each. 3 of those could be great marine mulchers

Were the Sulphurhounds Flamer faces always -2AP. If not that seems pretty nice. Shame they’ve gone to 2w though.

EDIT: I also hope that 4 attacks and -2AP makes Dragoons work a tiny bit better vs DG. I wanna use them cos they’re such awesome models, but they are so useless against them right now (useless against everything atm tbh, just especially vs DG lol).

Amazing the AdMech electric stuff gains AP but Necron Tesla doesn't for reasons!

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Amazing the AdMech electric stuff gains AP but Necron Tesla doesn't for reasons!

Because every unrelated faction should get identical wargear & points values?

Also a big factor in the old Dragoon taser lance was the ability to stack modifiers for exploding hits on 4+, effectively doubling their attacks for 1CP. I fully expect the new rules to change that into an unmodified 6, which is why they're seeing additional AP & attacks to compensate.

It's already in an unmodified 6 since the 9th edition.

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Amazing the AdMech electric stuff gains AP but Necron Tesla doesn't for reasons!

Because every unrelated faction should get identical wargear & points values?

Also a big factor in the old Dragoon taser lance was the ability to stack modifiers for exploding hits on 4+, effectively doubling their attacks for 1CP. I fully expect the new rules to change that into an unmodified 6, which is why they're seeing additional AP & attacks to compensate.

It was based on Tesla and you know that.

I hope that they don't mess with the weapon set ups for Skittari I have all my squads set up for my liking and I really don't want the headache of re working them all now, not do I want large squads just to run 2 arqs in a squad, I liked my 5 man heavy sniper units.

I'm a fan of those who say " Who stood up for me ?!?! " Ignoring the fact some have stood up to the insanity of some GW choices each and every time they happen. Then proceed to tell everyone to suck it even if we understand their upset.

GW, please just release a codex and maybe have me be totally pleased with it, for once.

At least aside from the annoyance with Plague marine and blightlord weapon load outs the Deathguard book feels good.

At least they didn't crap all over DE and the book looks good and seems to feel good to those who could play it so far.

I hope the Ad mech book is going to be good and they don't mess around with the weapon load outs.I guess it serves me right for using my last box of skittari not too long ago to finish up squads. don't mess it up GW, please.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
I'm a fan of those who say " Who stood up for me ?!?! " Ignoring the fact some have stood up to the insanity of some GW choices each and every time they happen. Then proceed to tell everyone to suck it even if we understand their upset.

GW, please just release a codex and maybe have me be totally pleased with it, for once.

At least aside from the annoyance with Plague marine and blightlord weapon load outs the Deathguard book feels good.

At least they didn't crap all over DE and the book looks good and seems to feel good to those who could play it so far.

I hope the Ad mech book is going to be good and they don't mess around with the weapon load outs.I guess it serves me right for using my last box of skittari not too long ago to finish up squads. don't mess it up GW, please.

*GW reads this message*

*Looks at Skitarii codex entry*

*Sees weapon option section, where they can only take what’s in the box*

*Sweats profusely*

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
I'm a fan of those who say " Who stood up for me ?!?! " Ignoring the fact some have stood up to the insanity of some GW choices each and every time they happen. Then proceed to tell everyone to suck it even if we understand their upset.

GW, please just release a codex and maybe have me be totally pleased with it, for once.

At least aside from the annoyance with Plague marine and blightlord weapon load outs the Deathguard book feels good.

At least they didn't crap all over DE and the book looks good and seems to feel good to those who could play it so far.

I hope the Ad mech book is going to be good and they don't mess around with the weapon load outs.I guess it serves me right for using my last box of skittari not too long ago to finish up squads. don't mess it up GW, please.

They cramped on Wyches actually and gave them the Plague Marine treatment.

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
I'm a fan of those who say " Who stood up for me ?!?! " Ignoring the fact some have stood up to the insanity of some GW choices each and every time they happen. Then proceed to tell everyone to suck it even if we understand their upset.

GW, please just release a codex and maybe have me be totally pleased with it, for once.

At least aside from the annoyance with Plague marine and blightlord weapon load outs the Deathguard book feels good.

At least they didn't crap all over DE and the book looks good and seems to feel good to those who could play it so far.

I hope the Ad mech book is going to be good and they don't mess around with the weapon load outs.I guess it serves me right for using my last box of skittari not too long ago to finish up squads. don't mess it up GW, please.

*GW reads this message*

*Looks at Skitarii codex entry*

*Sees weapon option section, where they can only take what’s in the box*

*Sweats profusely*

At least the sweat would show they care lol.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
I'm a fan of those who say " Who stood up for me ?!?! " Ignoring the fact some have stood up to the insanity of some GW choices each and every time they happen. Then proceed to tell everyone to suck it even if we understand their upset.

GW, please just release a codex and maybe have me be totally pleased with it, for once.

At least aside from the annoyance with Plague marine and blightlord weapon load outs the Deathguard book feels good.

At least they didn't crap all over DE and the book looks good and seems to feel good to those who could play it so far.

I hope the Ad mech book is going to be good and they don't mess around with the weapon load outs.I guess it serves me right for using my last box of skittari not too long ago to finish up squads. don't mess it up GW, please.

They cramped on Wyches actually and gave them the Plague Marine treatment.

Yeah that is why the DE as a whole wasn't crapped on. They seem to pick and choose what we can figure out to buy multiple boxes of and what we can't. That somehow we can figure out to buy multiple boxes for heavy weapons but troop boxes ? I'm afraid we are far too stupid to do that. Who would ever in a million years figure out if they wanted 2 of a weapon that only comes one in a box, buy more than one box and spread the weapons out among different squads.

This all makes me sweat for my Scions which live off their small squad with 2 special set ups as well. I don't even know, if they jack up all my squads I may just sit out 9th entirely, I mean at this point it's only a couple years away anyways till 10th where they may change their minds again.

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
I'm a fan of those who say " Who stood up for me ?!?! " Ignoring the fact some have stood up to the insanity of some GW choices each and every time they happen. Then proceed to tell everyone to suck it even if we understand their upset.

GW, please just release a codex and maybe have me be totally pleased with it, for once.

At least aside from the annoyance with Plague marine and blightlord weapon load outs the Deathguard book feels good.

At least they didn't crap all over DE and the book looks good and seems to feel good to those who could play it so far.

I hope the Ad mech book is going to be good and they don't mess around with the weapon load outs.I guess it serves me right for using my last box of skittari not too long ago to finish up squads. don't mess it up GW, please.

*GW reads this message*

*Looks at Skitarii codex entry*

*Sees weapon option section, where they can only take what’s in the box*

*Sweats profusely*

Be prepared people, that's exactly what'll happen.

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Amazing the AdMech electric stuff gains AP but Necron Tesla doesn't for reasons!

Because every unrelated faction should get identical wargear & points values?

Also a big factor in the old Dragoon taser lance was the ability to stack modifiers for exploding hits on 4+, effectively doubling their attacks for 1CP. I fully expect the new rules to change that into an unmodified 6, which is why they're seeing additional AP & attacks to compensate.

That same thing could be said about tesla as well. Their big thing was 3 hits for 5+ or even 4+. That went away. And as for compensation? Became more expensive than gauss. Good compensation!


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 TheGuest wrote:

Be prepared people, that's exactly what'll happen.

Maybe. Maybe not. GW hasn't been fully consistent with that though.

tneva82 wrote:
Maybe. Maybe not. GW hasn't been fully consistent with that though.

Wyches get one of each wych weapon if they number 10 models. Box contains 10 models and one of each wych weapon.
Warriors get one blaster or shredder per 5, and 1 splinter cannon or dark lance per 10. Box of 10 contains one of each, leaving an extra heavy but can double on the special which requires a second box.

I'm hoping they just don't mess with it. Like I finally enjoy my Arqs, but fielding one for 5 would be lame, so would 1 for 10 like what is in the box. The squad set ups aren't kicking butt all over there is no reason to jostle them up other than to be twits.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Maybe. Maybe not. GW hasn't been fully consistent with that though.

Wyches get one of each wych weapon if they number 10 models. Box contains 10 models and one of each wych weapon.
Warriors get one blaster or shredder per 5, and 1 splinter cannon or dark lance per 10. Box of 10 contains one of each, leaving an extra heavy but can double on the special which requires a second box.

I didn't say they don't do that for all. But it's not consistent as in every single release in 9e has had it. That's what "not consistent" means by definition. Some are, some aren't. You can't say it happens for certainty WHEN IT HASN'T HAPPENED FOR ALL UNITS SO FAR!

Odds are good but it's not certainty because it hasn't happened to every 9e book so far.

tneva82 wrote:

I didn't say they don't do that for all. But it's not consistent as in every single release in 9e has had it. That's what "not consistent" means by definition. Some are, some aren't. You can't say it happens for certainty WHEN IT HASN'T HAPPENED FOR ALL UNITS SO FAR!

Odds are good but it's not certainty because it hasn't happened to every 9e book so far.

You are right but it'll happen for the skitarii anyway.

I dunno, I feel like they kind of did it semi-strategically with the drukhari.

Like, they wanted to make people field wracks in 5-man squads, wyches and kabals in 10. And wyches you can basically control their statlines via combat drugs, so they wanted to buff their weapons up a bit but probably didnt want to make it crazy powerful if you stacked on matching wargear to create, say, a 10-wych all razorflail unit with +1A drugs that gets like 60 attacks.

But they didnt feth much with kabals, becuase there always was a benefit to going to 10 - you get an extra special out of the deal.

And wracks I guess they just didnt want to go full death guard stupid of 'you can field a 5-man squd with 1 of each special weapon item'.


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Also, the only HQ they did it to was the haemonculus, whose sculpt has a weird funky 'four weapons' setup that never really worked with the flexible wargear setup. The basic haemonculus model was actually an illegal loadout for the longest time - haemie tools, scissorhand, stinger pistol and injector when in theory you were supposed to only have two of those.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/04/07/the-regimental-standard-failure-the-adeptus-mechanicus-and-you/
New regimental standard talks about AdMech, so more previews are inevitable I guess.

Gah for a moment I thought that was an Ordinatus

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Gah for a moment I thought that was an Ordinatus

Nope sadly all that cool stuff languishes in the world of 30k alone :(

Praise the Omnissiah – Adeptus Mechanicus Guns Are Deadlier Than Ever on Warhammer Community:

Oh wow, I really like the changes to the galvanic rifle and arc rifle!

Decent boost for Galvanic Rifles. I always felt they were a bit lacking from their first release, but now they make a decent fire base if you ask me,

I like all the changes. d3 damage on the Arc weapons is a bit "meh", but the haywire 4+ wounding is great.

At first I didn't like the change to heavy 2 on the galvanic rifles, but the more I think about it the more I don't mind -- often rangers are sitting still anyway, and it's more shots at range.

Strict improvements across the board.

Unfortunately, Ruststalkers will need more than an improvement on AP to be good. They really need a stratagem to let them deep strike closer or something -- really lean into the "stalker" aspect.

Ruststalkers just need Slaughtersprint from the Killclade back.

Nice to see arc rifles finally behaving like they're supposed to! The old extra damage against vehicles bonus didn't come up much when you were only wounding them on a 5+!

Galvanic rifles being heavy is a bit weird, but its not like my rangers moved much I suppose.

I really want confirmation on the special weapon loads out restrictions (if any). Are the Skitarii going to get screwed like Plague Marines were?

I think the heavy on galvanic rifles makes sense. They’re big, long rifles which seem made for firing when stationary. While the carbines of the vanguard are for firing on the move. Gives me WW1/2 weapon vibes.