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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
So your argument for not buying the box is that 10th might be released in the next half year...

I don't recall saying that... *checks post* Nope. Nothing about 10th.

There is literally no other reason for an ork codex to become obsolete but a new one being released. All the examples you provided were invalidated because a new edition with new codices was rolled out.

Since you denounced the last one of your own arguments yourself, you might as well admit that you were wrong.

New article.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/07/13/these-3-ways-to-waaagh-make-orks-louder-and-more-dangerous-than-ever/

Two different Waaaghs, a regular and a speed waaagh.

I very much hope that this new Waaagh ability does not replace or significantly change Ere' We Go, in addition to the Warboss advance/charge aura.

If this becomes our only way of advance and charge that really hurts the army.

Not sure how I feel about the Speedwaaagh basically just enhancing shooting. So it means ork vehicles get more shots and that they're a slightly better AP? Still won't make a huge difference with BS 5+.

 Mr. Grey wrote:
Not sure how I feel about the Speedwaaagh basically just enhancing shooting. So it means ork vehicles get more shots and that they're a slightly better AP? Still won't make a huge difference with BS 5+.

That really depends on if DDD is changed.

Sure. Let's hope that DDD isn't changing too much, it's a flavorful rule for orks.

I just want it to change to auto hits. Not because I want it to be more powerful, just so I don’t have to roll so many dice! But I hope it stays either way, it’s fun.

An additional hit would be a considerable increase in power. Math wise it is basically a +1 to hits.

Which I guess it is not impossible, but it would mean a considerable increase in Ork firepower.

 Tyran wrote:
An additional hit would be a considerable increase in power. Math wise it is basically a +1 to hits.

Which I guess it is not impossible, but it would mean a considerable increase in Ork firepower.

So they are talking about weapons "with the Dakka rule", which I guess means that not all weapons may get the DDD rule? Maybe it's a way of balancing out more streamlined automatic hits rule by not applying it to Rokkts and KMBs and such.

 Oguhmek wrote:
So they are talking about weapons "with the Dakka rule", which I guess means that not all weapons may get the DDD rule? Maybe it's a way of balancing out more streamlined automatic hits rule by not applying it to Rokkts and KMBs and such.

You might be onto something. Wonder if they'd remember to update the FW units too though

 Mr. Grey wrote:
Sure. Let's hope that DDD isn't changing too much, it's a flavorful rule for orks.

It will still be there. Best bet is it removes superfluous rolling.

Also on the new Waaagh(s) - I love that it isn't an aura. No more huddling around the boss. So happy.


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Extending thoughts on DDD...since they have defined "Dakka weapons" I have no doubt that DDD will be extra hit(s) on 6 and then weapons like Rokkits won't have DDD.

Good point DDD could be "when firing with a Dakka weapon an unmodified hit roll of 6 inflicts an additional hit". Then they make a list of Dakka weapons leaving the more "precise" weapons off the list.

Could go a long way to balancing Shoota and Slugga Boyz if Shootas are Dakka weapons while Sluggs are not.

 alextroy wrote:
Good point DDD could be "when firing with a Dakka weapon an unmodified hit roll of 6 inflicts an additional hit". Then they make a list of Dakka weapons leaving the more "precise" weapons off the list.

Could go a long way to balancing Shoota and Slugga Boyz if Shootas are Dakka weapons while Sluggs are not.

I'm fairly sure that both will be dakka weapons, since they are the equivalent of bolter and bolt pistol.

Non-dakka weapons are very likely to be all the energy/plasma weapons and possibly explosives.

We have the answer on nature of Dakka: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/07/14/new-codex-orks-guns-are-so-shooty-that-dakka-is-a-whole-weapon-type/




Oh and Bubblechukka now seems usable:

Usable?

"After selecting targets roll to see if your shot will be wasted this turn."

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Usable?

"After selecting targets roll to see if your shot will be wasted this turn."

Probably be a stratagem to select or modify your roll, right? Maybe a Mek ability?

Wow it still sucks, just in a brand new way!

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Probably be a stratagem to select or modify your roll, right? Maybe a Mek ability?

No doubt. Maybe in both. Gotta add more layers of rules on top of more layers of rules. Nothin' quite like introducing a new rule and then immediately introducing a new way (or two) of getting around it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Usable?

"After selecting targets roll to see if your shot will be wasted this turn."

Depends on the cost. 3 of them shooting a vehicle gets one a throwawayish profile. Same when shooting a horde. Same with Gravis. Seems at least two profiles are useful against any one target.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Depends on the cost. 3 of them shooting a vehicle gets one a throwawayish profile. Same when shooting a horde. Same with Gravis. Seems at least two profiles are useful against any one target.

Consistency trumps potential, especially in a game as short and lethal as 40k. If there's something for equivalent cost that does its job reliably*, then that gets picked over a weapon that may not even be the right tool for the job 2/3rds of the time. Cost be damned.




*And yeah, I know we're talking about Orks.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Usable?

"After selecting targets roll to see if your shot will be wasted this turn."

Depends on the cost. 3 of them shooting a vehicle gets one a throwawayish profile. Same when shooting a horde. Same with Gravis. Seems at least two profiles are useful against any one target.

Yeah, exactly. Before it was a joke of an weapon but now I could imagine taking it. Depeding on point cost of course!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Depends on the cost. 3 of them shooting a vehicle gets one a throwawayish profile. Same when shooting a horde. Same with Gravis. Seems at least two profiles are useful against any one target.

Consistency trumps potential, especially in a game as short and lethal as 40k. If there's something for equivalent cost that does its job reliably*, then that gets picked over a weapon that may not even be the right tool for the job 2/3rds of the time. Cost be damned.




*And yeah, I know we're talking about Orks.

The SAG era from 8th disagrees. GW didn't bump them to 120 points for nothing.

Since most Dakka weapons were Assault previously, I wonder if they'll still be able to fire after advancing.

Will dakka just be the rapid fire rule but with the advance and shoot part of assault weapons?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Since most Dakka weapons were Assault previously, I wonder if they'll still be able to fire after advancing.

Considering the wording on the speeedwaaagh, nope.

Actually, scratch that. I should stop commenting on rules until my brain works properly again.

For me, super big nerfs to dakka

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Wow it still sucks, just in a brand new way!

But at least it takes 3 times longer to resolve!

I'm not sure about the Dakka changes.
On one hand, it does force you to get in close, even with shoota boyz, thus limiting playstyles

On the other hand, it does match Ork fluff and it does compliment trukk boyz.

Need to play test to see how effective/fun it actually is.
Oh wait, the Covid pandemic. Well zog

Let them eat dice rolls.