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I'm curious if it's that sorta thing a lotta models have. Where the initial images look garbage but the models in your hand look much much better. A few of the imperial vehicles had that in earlier editions.
   
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I wonder if this is a hint about the future of boar boyz in general.
GW already ditched boars in favour of "Gore-Gruntas", so I think we already know what they're doing.

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Must say that the aos boar boys looks so much better...

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I really would have probably preferred actual cyboars to make a comeback, the more I think about it. They could have even used a similar sculpt to the Gore-gruntas, except with tons of cybernetics and mechanical bits all over the place.

I also don't like the ...rocket.. spear? I had to look twice because it wasn't clear at all on first glance that it's supposed to be a rocket spear. Not a fan of the ork's face either - the sculpts for ork heads are starting to drift more and more in a direction that I don't like. If they were more "3rd edition Brian Nelson ork" it'd be great. The proportions on these new ones are all wrong.

That said... I like squigs, and it'd be cool to see more squig stuff in general in 40k. I never understood why orks couldn't take squig herds.

   
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I also don't like the ...rocket.. spear? I had to look twice because it wasn't clear at all on first glance that it's supposed to be a rocket spear.

Didn't realize it either. Now I'm sad, because it just means they'd have cauterized stumps for hands.

cody.d wrote:I'm curious if it's that sorta thing a lotta models have. Where the initial images look garbage but the models in your hand look much much better. A few of the imperial vehicles had that in earlier editions.

I'm baffled by this (and honestly don't really believe it- to me most models look like the images they post). They almost entirely sell models by the strength of the photographs; if they're bad at photographing models to the degree people claim (that the physical models are so much better), that's shockingly bad salesmanship, and they need to hire someone who grasps the basic principles of lighting and background.

And that's not even taking into account that many people can't or don't paint (and sometimes struggle with assembly), so 'in person,' odds are really good that any model is going to look worse than the official pics.

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Voss wrote:
I also don't like the ...rocket.. spear? I had to look twice because it wasn't clear at all on first glance that it's supposed to be a rocket spear.

Didn't realize it either. Now I'm sad, because it just means they'd have cauterized stumps for hands.

cody.d wrote:I'm curious if it's that sorta thing a lotta models have. Where the initial images look garbage but the models in your hand look much much better. A few of the imperial vehicles had that in earlier editions.

I'm baffled by this (and honestly don't really believe it- to me most models look like the images they post). They almost entirely sell models by the strength of the photographs; if they're bad at photographing models to the degree people claim (that the physical models are so much better), that's shockingly bad salesmanship, and they need to hire someone who grasps the basic principles of lighting and background.

And that's not even taking into account that many people can't or don't paint (and sometimes struggle with assembly), so 'in person,' odds are really good that any model is going to look worse than the official pics.


There is a bit of a difference between seeing a picture of a model and having it in your hands or even on a display shelf. I've been in the hobby for a while and can remember a few instances like the stormraven where people despised it's initial pictures but after a while that settled down to an "eh it's not so bad, i'm find with it." Just feels like initial reactions based on a single image/angle seems to be occasionally cause over reactions.

Upon saying that. I do sorta hope that the boyz come with helmet options. Or faceplate/masks to match the squigs iron job. But I'm more a helmet over bare headed sort when building models anyway.
   
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I wish they had a bit more obvious tech to show them as part of the 41st millennium. The current models don’t really look more high tech than Kharadron overlord stuff. I may be in the minority, but I do like the squigs instead of boars. The boars always felt very direct from fantasy vs these that fit 40K ork shtick. The squigs look like Berkshire pigs (aka the tastiest type of pig) and I just imagine them to be delicious. Could ork ramen be a thing?
   
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I like the concept, and I like the models. I like the fact that it is a subkultur, both because it isn't replacing the klans, and the existence of a new subkultur indicates they aren't killing off the current subkultur rules (which I really like for variety--do you field an army from one klan, or multiple klan paint jobs in a subkultur?).


I just HATE the fact that the beast snaggas are 'larger, burlier' orks. Not only does this completely contradict what we have known about ork society for multiple codexes--that orks rise in status as they get bigger--but, more importantly, it signals that these orks aren't likely to be cross-compatible with virtually all the other orks that we already have--which is a huge, huge shame for ork modelling enthusiasts.

I don't like the fact that Beast Snaggas seem to be breaking the boy/skarboy/nob/warboss 'size/status' schema. Maybe that will be okay. Maybe any boy able to 'tame' and ride a squig is basically a skarboy anyway.

But the insane level of cross-compatibility across the ork line has been nothing but good for the ork player. It has made easy, joyful, exuberant conversions commonplace. The Speed Freeks vehicles were awesome, but sadly weak in their modularity. This seems to have embraced that trend, so I view the new models with a bit of trepidation as well as enthusiasm.

 
   
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 Olthannon wrote:

So are these different from Snakebites? Am I missing something there?

My impression is that 'Beast Snaggas' is just what they're calling Feral Orks now. They mention in the article that Snakebites have a strong inclination towards becoming Beast Snaggas, which would be in the same way as Evil Sunz tend to be Speed Freaks.

 
   
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 insaniak wrote:
 Olthannon wrote:

So are these different from Snakebites? Am I missing something there?

My impression is that 'Beast Snaggas' is just what they're calling Feral Orks now. They mention in the article that Snakebites have a strong inclination towards becoming Beast Snaggas, which would be in the same way as Evil Sunz tend to be Speed Freaks.


Yeah, "Beast Snaggas" is just the new copyright-able name for feral orks.

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Da Butcha wrote:

But the insane level of cross-compatibility across the ork line has been nothing but good for the ork player. It has made easy, joyful, exuberant conversions commonplace. The Speed Freeks vehicles were awesome, but sadly weak in their modularity. This seems to have embraced that trend, so I view the new models with a bit of trepidation as well as enthusiasm.

Yup, the fact that they chose to release six different buggy kits instead of one kit with optional components, combined with their current approach to rules design, was a fairly strong indicator that GW aren't interested in conversions any more. Add in their current sculpting and tooling approach which favours detail over modularity, and you're left with a pretty clear statement that their aim is to provide models that can be built and used straight out of the box and conversion is something that, while you're welcome to do it, is just not something they're taking into consideration when designing models anymore.

 
   
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To be fair none of the buggies are more or less modular than the trukk kit, which ork player have converted into all kinds of things. The only thing that's done differently are the orks on the buggies, the vehicles themselves can easily exchange stuff among each other.

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Voss wrote:
I also don't like the ...rocket.. spear? I had to look twice because it wasn't clear at all on first glance that it's supposed to be a rocket spear.

Didn't realize it either. Now I'm sad, because it just means they'd have cauterized stumps for hands.

cody.d wrote:I'm curious if it's that sorta thing a lotta models have. Where the initial images look garbage but the models in your hand look much much better. A few of the imperial vehicles had that in earlier editions.

I'm baffled by this (and honestly don't really believe it- to me most models look like the images they post). They almost entirely sell models by the strength of the photographs; if they're bad at photographing models to the degree people claim (that the physical models are so much better), that's shockingly bad salesmanship, and they need to hire someone who grasps the basic principles of lighting and background.

And that's not even taking into account that many people can't or don't paint (and sometimes struggle with assembly), so 'in person,' odds are really good that any model is going to look worse than the official pics.


Paint job differs. For many gw style isn't appealing so remove paint job and replace it with different and it appears better.

Also miniatures are designed in heroic scale which works optimally looking from game distance. Zoomed up it exaggerates proportion oddities.


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Da Butcha wrote:

I just HATE the fact that the beast snaggas are 'larger, burlier' orks. Not only does this completely contradict what we have known about ork society for multiple codexes--that orks rise in status as they get bigger--but, more importantly, it signals that these orks aren't likely to be cross-compatible with virtually all the other orks that we already have--which is a huge, huge shame for ork modelling enthusiasts.

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Well either you get no new models or you lose cross compatibility. Gw stopped that long time ago.

That's why not all are thrilled with idea of new boyz. Higher price, no customization. Heavy weapons all on same body etc.

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Im in love with them, I recently started a Ork army, which is a large mixture of savage ork models from AoS and some other normal Orkz which some savage bitz mixed onto them
(As deffskulls so I can boast the war paint I've painted on can let the Ork headbutt a lascannon and WIN)

This is right up my street and will awesome next to my boar boy bikers
   
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Voss wrote:


cody.d wrote:I'm curious if it's that sorta thing a lotta models have. Where the initial images look garbage but the models in your hand look much much better. A few of the imperial vehicles had that in earlier editions.

I'm baffled by this (and honestly don't really believe it- to me most models look like the images they post). They almost entirely sell models by the strength of the photographs; if they're bad at photographing models to the degree people claim (that the physical models are so much better), that's shockingly bad salesmanship, and they need to hire someone who grasps the basic principles of lighting and background.

And that's not even taking into account that many people can't or don't paint (and sometimes struggle with assembly), so 'in person,' odds are really good that any model is going to look worse than the official pics.


To me this is usually an attempt at deflecting criticism. You can easily tell how a sculpt looks, even despite the "bad" studio paint job. One notable exception are faces, where the past has shown that the studio paint job turns women into abominations on a regular basis.
   
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ive got a big ork army but i think snakebite's dont belong in 40K they are leftover from the old world. they would die before making contact with the enemy

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When you are running screaming at an opponent as fast as possible, it doesn't really matter whether you are wielding a spear or a chain sword while shooting your slugga into the air to make some noise.

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Yeah, 40k has this whole "Drive me closer, I want to hit them with my sword" thing for many units. The beast snaggas are hardly the only (or the worst) offender.

Trench warfare when you have orbital bombardment capabilities? Yeah...

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 skeleton wrote:
ive got a big ork army but i think snakebite's dont belong in 40K they are leftover from the old world. they would die before making contact with the enemy


How's so? Because enemy got guns? Same applies to berserkers, like half the orks army, half the tyranids army, assault marines, death company, space wolves...

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Personally not a fan of the sculpt, but they make sense to have in Orks as a race, and fit nicely into Snakebites.

I wonder how my opinion may change when something other than the 'eavy metal is used.

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I like the concept and it seems like it should be a fun unit for the table. Fast (10" movement hopefully), the rocket spear seems like it would have ranged and melee capabilities, they should be somewhat durable and I imagine they'll be solid in CC.

The face I'm not keen on but with a more classic skin paint job perhaps it'll be fine.

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Hopefully they will have more than a wet t-shirt save and more than one wound. Orks don't need another unit that is auto-deleted.
Wish I had kept my old metal boarboyz...
   
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Goreshrek wrote:
Hopefully they will have more than a wet t-shirt save and more than one wound. Orks don't need another unit that is auto-deleted.
Wish I had kept my old metal boarboyz...


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I am thinking they will be T6 but with a 5+ save. Maybe 3-4 wounds. I am basing this on the T+1 increase in the FW IA for 9th that orks received for non vehicle models. I am also assuming a basic ork boy will be T5.

Basically a wet t-shirt with some random bits of scrap metal bolted on.

I also agree this is just a re-launch of feral orks, but with models instead of 3rd party models/bits or conversions. I think they look orky and unique, orks in the lore exist in cycles that often start out mostly feral as they acquire scrap and oddboyz start appearing and making things, so lore wise there should be low-tek orks even in 40k. I actually really like how they have some high-tek bits on them as they look like they are transitioning from low-tek to more standard 40k orky "high-tek". These are basically angry ork luddites.

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I wonder if we'll see this trend of taking an Ork klan Kulture and exploring it via a subkulture continue. We've had not necessarily Evil Sunz and now not necessarily Snake Bites. Next we might get Sneaky Gitz who aren't necessarily Blood Axes but are always the sneakiest gitz in whatever klan they're in.
   
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 skeleton wrote:
ive got a big ork army but i think snakebite's dont belong in 40K they are leftover from the old world. they would die before making contact with the enemy


Idk. Orks have had boars in the fluff since forever. Orks are also a horde enemy, so they've probably got other units to serve as chaff and distract the enemy enough for the beast snaggas to get into close combat. Plus melee calvary totally exists in 40k. Look at the DKK death riders. They have just spears (not even custode spears which fire ammo)
   
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 GaroRobe wrote:
 skeleton wrote:
ive got a big ork army but i think snakebite's dont belong in 40K they are leftover from the old world. they would die before making contact with the enemy


Idk. Orks have had boars in the fluff since forever. Orks are also a horde enemy, so they've probably got other units to serve as chaff and distract the enemy enough for the beast snaggas to get into close combat. Plus melee calvary totally exists in 40k. Look at the DKK death riders. They have just spears (not even custode spears which fire ammo)


One question i'm curious about is are they more like javelins? Meant to be thrown and use the rockets for better penetration on targets. Still keen to see more of the models, or the rules, or the sprue. Seems like Sisters are confirmed to be next and are coming rather soon. (updated sheets have been seen) so maybe GW is picking up it's release schedule to pre covid levels again?
   
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cody.d. wrote:
One question i'm curious about is are they more like javelins? Meant to be thrown and use the rockets for better penetration on targets.

Could be like the one-shot Tachyon Arrow for Necrons, one shot but a doozy if it hits.
   
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It would fit the MO of a few of the buggies. Where it has main weapons then a few subweapons fired by riders. Reckon it's possible the grots will get a grenade toss, the boy will chuck a spear then the squig does the CCW attacks?
   
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 GaroRobe wrote:
 skeleton wrote:
ive got a big ork army but i think snakebite's dont belong in 40K they are leftover from the old world. they would die before making contact with the enemy


Idk. Orks have had boars in the fluff since forever. Orks are also a horde enemy, so they've probably got other units to serve as chaff and distract the enemy enough for the beast snaggas to get into close combat. Plus melee calvary totally exists in 40k. Look at the DKK death riders. They have just spears (not even custode spears which fire ammo)


I just like seeing the glimpse of the Orkisystem that gets set up once most of the older life has been eaten or burnt away. Orks are a ecological catastrophe of invasive species that kick start an entire ecosystem to colonise the rad soaked ruin of whatever the hulk landed in, that's far more dangerous than just the burly green guys with guns. They're terra/orkiforming the planet so that it'll never be the same.
   
 
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