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All I could think watching that preview.

I really want to know what they were thinking with the vampire one. Oof.

Avrik_Shasla wrote:
Kind of hoped for more on the Age of Sigmar front, new General's Handbook, maybe an entire army to see?

Kinda meh.

With aos3 coming ghb isn't that interesting. Would be just cash grab.

Rihgu wrote:
Spoiler alert for Cursed City, I guess.

Who knows, maybe a White Dwarf article for a quest after you defeat him the first time.

 CragHack wrote:

Kragnos - AoS's "wants to be everything, yet fails everywhere miserably" incarnation. Trash looking model.

People always like to do exaggerated hyperboles for things they don't like. I'm not that interested into him, but it's not a trash model at all. It's just a giant centaur with horns, and it is honestly well done.

Here's the SBGL army pic it's just more skeletons at the back probably the hobby teams work

Hmm.

Vamp stuff is fine but becoming awfully bloated with named special characters - trying to push the new bloodlines hard I guess. The fact they're connected to Cursed City also makes it a giant slap in the face so, not the best idea GW.

Centaur Vamps are...awkward.

Dire Wolves - another bizarre surprise. Both them and the Skeletons seem a bit ...unneccessary as their kits are relatively new compared to the core infantry of a lot of other armies. (Seriously, Saurus, Skinks, Chaos Warriors and Marauders are all pushing 2 decades now. Skeletons and Dire Wolves were literally less than a decade old.)

Kragnos - eh. He seriously seems like he belongs with a Beasts of Chaos army more than Destruction. He doesn't have any real destruction elements but has an awful lot of Beasts elements to him.

A small reveal today and I can honestly say, I'm not terribly impressed.

The Soulblight releases - some are necessary - Zombies, Fellbats, Blood Knights - all well and good. Even the redone Wight King is nice.

But the flood of constant named character vampires (we're on, what, 5 or 6 now?) is ridiculous when there's some armies with a single named character (Seraphon, DoK, Gloomspite) and some without a single one (Beasts, Ogors, Cities of Sigmar) - and it's not like they DIDN'T have an abundance of named characters before.

Eh. Can't say I'm terribly impressed. Every faction most certainly didn't get it's day in the spotlight - unless you're Cities of Sigmar and then you're just gonna get new rules with every book it seems.

Kragnos is fine but a bit boring, he has an impressive tactical rock though . Not a fan of the Vamps but those Dire Wolves are perfect.

Signum Games, Magic the Gathering and a few others (that I don't recall) have done centaur winged beasts. If anything the vampire is superior as she's got forelegs (mid limbs) as wings whilst the others tend to have a full on four legged body, then wings, then an upper human body (8 limbs in all).

It likely flies about as well as a wyvern with a long neck.

And yeah vampires with wolves and terrorghast and and yeah I might end up with vampires at one point.....

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Dire Wolves - another bizarre surprise. Both them and the Skeletons seem a bit ...unneccessary as their kits are relatively new compared to the core infantry of a lot of other armies. (Seriously, Saurus, Skinks, Chaos Warriors and Marauders are all pushing 2 decades now. Skeletons and Dire Wolves were literally less than a decade old.)

It's a surprise for sure, but it's not bizarre. It's good. Honestly, the previous Dire Wolves kit was just...well, true garbage. The miniatures were just Frankenstein monsters in a bad way, not reanimated corpses of giant wolves.

And skeletons...well, at least this new kit has much more character. I'm tempted to use them as new grave guards, actually.

Right the things I need to get in the future since they have so many uses are...

New dire wolves, skeletons and giant bats... maybe get just the individual small vampires characters since their sculpts are so elegant!
Zombies I think GW could have done a lot better but overall what a great army revamp we got.

The more uncommon big centre piece vampires I think they have potential they are well sculpted around the ruins and are very warhammerish but its just to big of an investment.

Yeah. The repetition of poses on those zombies is a problem.

All I could think of with the Vengorians is that they finally made a great base body for a black dragon conversion.

Big meh overall. And what is with this Cossack aesthetic all of a sudden after trying to get away from real world ethnic references since day 1 of AoS.

The Avengorii dynasty was mentioned back in 2018 in Legions of Nagash

ok some images for those who can't see direct

Centaur Dragon, Bat Vampire - not sure - not sure - very cool tail



Very cool model of angry empowered Radukar



Ancient vampire of his dynasty - don;t like her head/hat etc

 DaveC wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
In that army shot for Soulblight it looked like there were some new skeletons in the upper right of the picture, up on the ridge. Could be an alternate build of the new kit maybe? It was only on the screen pretty quickly.

I think they are just Grave Guard as the old kit carries over. The Corpse cart, Zombie dragon and Vargheists are up there too.

No, those aren't grave guard, its the new skeleton kit, not even alt build from the look of it jest more bare heads.

That centaur vampire lady is very tame compared with any Tzimisce.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Big meh overall. And what is with this Cossack aesthetic all of a sudden after trying to get away from real world ethnic references since day 1 of AoS.

I think with the new characters revealed its clear to me that cursed city was to be sold side by side with this army as a complement/expansion. Cossacks and wolf heavy themed vampires, zombies and skellies are very consistently themed across both releases.

The weird half vampire half vorgulf model cracks me up.

It's like the designer made two amazing and seperate models and GW told them they only have the production capacity for 1 so he just loped the legs of the gal and the head off the beast and mashed them together.

You can even see in the design that her entire portion is a seperate assembly.

meaning all you need to do is find her some legs (or sculpt your own dress from GS)

and take any left over Crypt fiend head and bang you have two great models again lol.

 Red Corsair wrote:
The weird half vampire half vorgulf model cracks me up.

It's like the designer made two amazing and seperate models and GW told them they only have the production capacity for 1 so he just loped the legs of the gal and the head off the beast and mashed them together.

Agreed, two great minis with no coherent join.

Okay, I do like Avengorii vampire lord (the vampire-lizard-centaur) but I just think it can be better.

I think my issue would be that it does look like 2 separate, different kits were just put together. Just imagine would it look better if:

- Lower body is also armored.
- Upper body is much more bestial.

I just really think that they should have emphasized one aspect much more then leave it in between.

 Red Corsair wrote:
The weird half vampire half vorgulf model cracks me up.

It's like the designer made two amazing and seperate models and GW told them they only have the production capacity for 1 so he just loped the legs of the gal and the head off the beast and mashed them together.

You can even see in the design that her entire portion is a seperate assembly.

meaning all you need to do is find her some legs (or sculpt your own dress from GS)

and take any left over Crypt fiend head and bang you have two great models again lol.

The problem would be the scale since if you Greenstuff the lower half she would be something like a giant vampire. Like I say I find the small vampire characters that they have done so much better.

 Red Corsair wrote:
The weird half vampire half vorgulf model cracks me up.

It's like the designer made two amazing and seperate models and GW told them they only have the production capacity for 1 so he just loped the legs of the gal and the head off the beast and mashed them together.

You can even see in the design that her entire portion is a seperate assembly.

meaning all you need to do is find her some legs (or sculpt your own dress from GS)

and take any left over Crypt fiend head and bang you have two great models again lol.

More like they told them that the models had to be unique and weird enough so that they can slap people with C&Ds when they make similar models. GW can’t trademark vampires and were bats, but they can try to trademark the result when you put the upper half of a vampire where a werebat’s head should be.

This was tough as I am allergic to centaurs.

The vampire monsters perfectly encapsulate everything that is usually wrong with centaurs; they're an anatomically implausible ridiculous combination of two creatures that do not seem to fit together at all. And its a real shame, as the upper bodies are great. I wonder where I could get normal legs in proper scale for them...

But despite my centaur allergy,, I find myself rather liking Kragnos. He actually looks like a complete creature, definitely a best centaur GW has ever made. Also the ancient bronze gubbins are really nice. But as many posters have already noted, he doesn't visually connect to anything in the Destruction faction'; he looks more like he should go with Beast of Chaos.

Finding proper legs is gonna be hard, they are fairly large...

 Red Corsair wrote:
The weird half vampire half vorgulf model cracks me up.

It's like the designer made two amazing and seperate models and GW told them they only have the production capacity for 1 so he just loped the legs of the gal and the head off the beast and mashed them together.

You can even see in the design that her entire portion is a seperate assembly.

That's because you can make either the female Lauka Vai or the male Vengorian Lord from the single kit.

Cool: Radukar the beast
Old Lady vamp on a wolf
Dire wolves
Meh: Kragnos, another excuse to charge 200 beans for one
model , doesn’t really fit the group they chose for him, nice
fig, though I wouldn’t buy it.
WTF?: those vampire centaur things, fugly
Who cares: stupid chibi mobile game

I like the Vamptaurs. Well, the female one looks much better than the male one.

LOL... Well so much for a new Zombie Dragon. Lauka Vai looks ridiculous! Why does she have a loincloth for her dragon parts? Does any other Dragon mini cover its junk?

Really disliking how character heavy Soulblight are, and how they seem to just be a rehash of old Vampire Counts, minus the ghosts, but with Vampires that are also half werewolf. I was hoping they would lean more into the Blood Knight theme (the new Blood Knights look amazing, but I also already have four units of the old Blood Knights, so...) and go for a more elite army. Was thinking generic Blood Knight style lords and heroes, maybe a blood knight inspired infantry kit ("Vampires-at-arms"?), and bat-monsters for support (the new bats also look amazing, but don't fit with the ones I already own, so I need to figure out what to do there). Instead they just put out more zombies and skellies that I have no interest in. The Wight King on Horse looks incredible though, probably going to pick one up even though it doesn't really fit with my army, also one of only two generic heroes being released (the other being the semi-meh vampire lord mini). Correction - three generics, forgot about the Vengari Lord or whatever its called, don't hate the centaur dragon-bat look, but I don't know that I entirely like it either, will probably pick one up. The Crimson Court had me real excited for the potential of vampiric blood knight infantry though.

 NAVARRO wrote:
zombies and skellies are very consistently themed across both releases.

Thats because they are literally the same kit.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
zombies and skellies are very consistently themed across both releases.

Thats because they are literally the same kit.

No, they’re not.

Is there any lore reason for why vampires are giants now? They all look really huge compared to the skeletons and zombies around them.