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Well, probably SoB. and maybee chaos daemons?

But two separate days?

Who knows maybee hell freezes over and we get a look at some Eldar rework?


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I'm hoping for Chaos Daemons, and not just because we'd finally get Be'lakor's full rules, but because they can start incorporating all the things AoS has received since the last Daemons book.

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That’s not a bad call to be honest.

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Maybe Daemons as a book and cards only release, followed by Emperor's Children as the next Chaos release with models?
   
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 kodos wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
What new release would need to get reduced to make way for cc though? It's not X AND Y. It's X OR Y

3rd Edition AoS with the new Bretonnian faction in the 2 Player Starter Set


I'd love the heck out of that...
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
Well, probably SoB. and maybee chaos daemons?

But two separate days?

Who knows maybee hell freezes over and we get a look at some Eldar rework?


I mean there was an eldary looking thing in the rumour engine, so something seems to be coming for them.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s not a bad call to be honest.


I mean Daemons seem obvious, overlapp kinda enforces some new thingies and Bel'akor is also a daemon so yeah.

SoB also got even more stuff so another Codex look is in that case close to guaranteed.

But assuming both are codices and or the new "totes not DLC-DLC" i still think we probably see more.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm hoping for Chaos Daemons, and not just because we'd finally get Be'lakor's full rules, but because they can start incorporating all the things AoS has received since the last Daemons book.


It'll be interesting to see if those two new Slaanesh models make it into 40k too, given their current fluff is heavily AOS-based
   
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Right behind you.

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 Snrub wrote:
Here's hoping they show some Middle Earth stuff. I want to see what they've got planned for the Dwarves/Easterlings.

Doubtful. It doesn't fall under Boxed Games unless something's changed but maybe they'll do what they did for the Dragon Acolytes/Dain and just throw the article out on the Community site without any fanfare.

There's been some murmurings in the aether of a new starter for Middle Earth. Might be the Saturday thing.
   
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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

I'll still buy from recasters and 3rd parties, just for you babe.

As long as you won't complain when GW shuts down FW and stops supporting HH.

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 Crimson wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

I'll still buy from recasters and 3rd parties, just for you babe.

As long as you won't complain when GW shuts down FW and stops supporting HH.

Seems like GW have been banking on that for years now. Not everybody is willing to mindlessly shovel money towards them no matter what. Of course it will turn into another WHFB gaslighting situation in the minds of the white knights, wherein it's the Evil Entitled Grogs who are to blame for not forking over their money for a barely supported, kept-in-the-dark product line which is already expensive even by GW standards.
   
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 Arbitrator wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

I'll still buy from recasters and 3rd parties, just for you babe.

As long as you won't complain when GW shuts down FW and stops supporting HH.

Seems like GW have been banking on that for years now. Not everybody is willing to mindlessly shovel money towards them no matter what. Of course it will turn into another WHFB gaslighting situation in the minds of the white knights, wherein it's the Evil Entitled Grogs who are to blame for not forking over their money for a barely supported, kept-in-the-dark product line which is already expensive even by GW standards.


And they'll be right.
   
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 Crimson wrote:
As long as you won't complain when GW shuts down FW and stops supporting HH.
GW supports HH?

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JSG wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

I'll still buy from recasters and 3rd parties, just for you babe.

As long as you won't complain when GW shuts down FW and stops supporting HH.

Seems like GW have been banking on that for years now. Not everybody is willing to mindlessly shovel money towards them no matter what. Of course it will turn into another WHFB gaslighting situation in the minds of the white knights, wherein it's the Evil Entitled Grogs who are to blame for not forking over their money for a barely supported, kept-in-the-dark product line which is already expensive even by GW standards.


And they'll be right.

Nah. AoS showed if you actually pump support into a system that people will be more than happy to pay hand over foot for 'official' GW products once it's apparent they won't be taking it out back to put a slug in it's head. Calth/Prospero were also massively popular entry-points for the system and oh, guess what, there's no entry point beyond use your 40k st- oh, right, the Primaris don't work as proxies the way OldMarines did either. Whoops.

Of course the GW White Knights have been praying to Almighty Rountree (blessed be his bank account) that HH is killed off for the unforgiveable sin of not using 8th/9th edition rules because that's what daddy Games Workshop (please raise your prices, you deserve it!!!) did with 40k.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
As long as you won't complain when GW shuts down FW and stops supporting HH.
GW supports HH?


Yeah it had like uhhh

3 infantry models relased this year

Games Workshop are not your friends. They are not a small dev trying their best. They are a multibillion dollar company making calculated decisions about how many costs they can cut, how lazy they can be about relases, and how much they can paywall. They will do it again. Stop giving them money for this. 
   
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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
As long as you won't complain when GW shuts down FW and stops supporting HH.
GW supports HH?


Yeah it had like uhhh

3 infantry models relased this year

Why didn't you buy nine of them? I thought you were a fan! THIS IS YOUR FAULT!
   
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 Crimson wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

I'll still buy from recasters and 3rd parties, just for you babe.

As long as you won't complain when GW shuts down FW and stops supporting HH.


I know several players with recast Mechanicum armies who complained bitterly when Fires of Cyraxus was cancelled. Of course, we don't if GW/FW would have released it if Mechanicum sales were higher...
   
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Definitely seeing more of the Vampires.

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 Crimson wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

I'll still buy from recasters and 3rd parties, just for you babe.

As long as you won't complain when GW shuts down FW and stops supporting HH.


GW created a luxury product line with laughably abysmal quality control despite its exorbitant price point. Somehow, in spite of that, heresy managed to develop a respectable following. It could probably be argued that recasters helped make heresy what it is by lowering the price point for the game. The irony of that would be that now that there is a following for the game, GW could, if it chose to, come along and introduce more accessible plastic kits for the game that many would probably buy over recasts, due to access/not having to buy potentially toxic products/etc.

Getting into the morality of recasting is sort of a pointless endeavour because everyone rationalizes their decisions differently. I personally just can't get over how garbage forgeworld's product is for what they expect you to pay for it. Completely cutting out the option of recasts, I'm not sure how anyone can rationalize forgeworld's lack of quality control as excusable.

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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

Getting into the morality of recasting is sort of a pointless endeavour because everyone rationalizes their decisions differently. I personally just can't get over how garbage forgeworld's product is for what they expect you to pay for it. Completely cutting out the option of recasts, I'm not sure how anyone can rationalize forgeworld's lack of quality control as excusable.

I think a lot of it just comes down to a very sizeable portion of buyers never having bought a resin product that doesn't come from GW/FW, so they either have nothing to compare it against or simply do not care because... well, FW is still GW at the end of the day.

Then you also get the "just buy it no matter what or you deserve to be squat'ed" crowd who have no idea what rationalisation (or restraint) is.

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 Arbitrator wrote:
 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

Getting into the morality of recasting is sort of a pointless endeavour because everyone rationalizes their decisions differently. I personally just can't get over how garbage forgeworld's product is for what they expect you to pay for it. Completely cutting out the option of recasts, I'm not sure how anyone can rationalize forgeworld's lack of quality control as excusable.

I think a lot of it just comes down to a very sizeable portion of buyers never having bought a resin product that doesn't come from GW/FW, so they either have nothing to compare it against or simply do not care because... well, FW is still GW at the end of the day.


You are probably right, they're a captive market. I'm just amazed that people apologize away their practices when some of them are so assininely absurd. I bought some transfers from forgeworld and it was going to cost me more to have them mailed to me than the actual transfers. What's the excuse for that other than anti-consumer practices? Does any other business charge that to mail a card envelope?
   
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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Does any other business charge that to mail a card envelope?

International post can be crazy though, I've stopped ordering records from the US because it can be anything from $25-50 shipping at cost for a $20 record.
   
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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

Getting into the morality of recasting is sort of a pointless endeavour because everyone rationalizes their decisions differently. I personally just can't get over how garbage forgeworld's product is for what they expect you to pay for it. Completely cutting out the option of recasts, I'm not sure how anyone can rationalize forgeworld's lack of quality control as excusable.

I think a lot of it just comes down to a very sizeable portion of buyers never having bought a resin product that doesn't come from GW/FW, so they either have nothing to compare it against or simply do not care because... well, FW is still GW at the end of the day.


You are probably right, they're a captive market. I'm just amazed that people apologize away their practices when some of them are so assininely absurd. I bought some transfers from forgeworld and it was going to cost me more to have them mailed to me than the actual transfers. What's the excuse for that other than anti-consumer practices? Does any other business charge that to mail a card envelope?

New factory/Moulds cost ten trillion pounds/Printing in the UK costs a hundred thousand per item/Brexit/Covid/"They're a business"/"It's a luxury product."

I'm sure I've missed one off the list. Take your pick and if that's not a satisfying answer, pick again. If none of them are satisfying then YIKES! Maybe you need to stop being such an entitled grog???

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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I'm just amazed that people apologize away their practices when some of them are so assininely absurd.


I was thinking the same thing.
   
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Honestly think we'll get a teaser for something that is a big 40K project....maybe either Eldar or EC/WE (one of the two). Not a full reveal, but a glimpse, at least on the 2nd 40k day.
   
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Atlanta, GA

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

I'll still buy from recasters and 3rd parties, just for you babe.

As long as you won't complain when GW shuts down FW and stops supporting HH.


GW created a luxury product line with laughably abysmal quality control despite its exorbitant price point. Somehow, in spite of that, heresy managed to develop a respectable following. It could probably be argued that recasters helped make heresy what it is by lowering the price point for the game. The irony of that would be that now that there is a following for the game, GW could, if it chose to, come along and introduce more accessible plastic kits for the game that many would probably buy over recasts, due to access/not having to buy potentially toxic products/etc.

Getting into the morality of recasting is sort of a pointless endeavour because everyone rationalizes their decisions differently. I personally just can't get over how garbage forgeworld's product is for what they expect you to pay for it. Completely cutting out the option of recasts, I'm not sure how anyone can rationalize forgeworld's lack of quality control as excusable.


I don't know what happened to make you so incredibly bitter about Forge World, but I've never had the kinds of issues with their resin that you seem to be talking about. And when I do get something that's miscast, I email them. And they replace it! *shock*

As for the popularity of 30K, I'd argue that it was more Betrayal at Calth than anything else that really caused the setting to become popular. I know plenty of people who bought upwards of 4 boxes of Calth to start their armies with. The market is there. GW just needs to take advantage of it. Even now, a couple more plastic kits would do wonders and guarantee sales.
   
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MarkNorfolk wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
 CragHack wrote:
It's naive to expect anything for Horus Heresy. They can't even make their articles on a weekly basis.

It's almost as if archaic, clunky 80s rule set liked only by a tiny minority and entitled player base that doesn't buy models from GW but from thieves stealing designs then producing knockoffs from toxic resin (at 10x larger markup, at that, fleecing idiots who somehow still praise them) doesn't produce a healthy game worth putting resources into, go figure.

I still find mind boggling that there are people who, given choice between nice looking, official, cheap plastic Mk III and nearly identical (except some bits were made ugly for no reason), stolen Mk II set from whatever cheapest toxic resin thief had on hand for MORE $$$ will pick the second one. I guess using slave labor, paying no taxes and trying to force people who actually designed the stuff out of job can be viable business strategy when dealing with people who must have a mini with tiny, unnoticeable ribbing on back of the thigh (that was then smeared flat with weathering powder in rEaLiStIc FW fashion so you can't see it anyway)


While I share your despair for those buying of Chinese recasters, I think there was a subtler way of broaching the subject.

Besides, HH, being based on 7th edition is therefore descended from 3rd edition and is therefore a late 90's ruleset.


And 9e comes from same source. Just as archaic

Hh just is more logical, faster to play and more balanced.

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 Mr. Grey wrote:
I don't know what happened to make you so incredibly bitter about Forge World, but I've never had the kinds of issues with their resin that you seem to be talking about. And when I do get something that's miscast, I email them. And they replace it! *shock*


For your own anecdotal experience, there are many, many others who have been mailed products that are subpar. Further, even discounting the quality control on their actual casting, they have released and continued to sell kits that just don't go together well. Kits like the stormbird should never have made it to release because of how badly designed they are.

As others have pointed out, this isn't an issue inherant to resin, because many other companies sell resin kits that don't have the reputation forgeworld does. This is just GW cutting corners and then having a consumer base that puts up with it.
   
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 Altruizine wrote:
May god grant us one (1) Tyranid.


lictor.

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